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If Slots Were Really Random....

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by sledge13, Apr 9, 2016.

    Apr 9, 2016
  1. sledge13

    sledge13 Experienced Member

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    Ok you tin foil hat fools....

    How come nearly every slot needs 150-200 spins before you get the free spins or bonus....+++++

    How come when you win big, the next time you play the same slot even if you leave it weeks, it plays empty....

    Before you come out with the same old baloney the RTP, exactly you've won or you haven't yup its time to take it back or vice versa...

    It also explains how Super Monopoly Money works....you keep losing gradually the slot builds up and pays out...

    RANDOM I DONT THINK SO! WAKE UP!!!!
     
  2. Apr 9, 2016
  3. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

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    :D
    I'm going to take a stab at it ,, this is just my opinion and I'm not a computer knowledge guy ok her goes

    the game is like a lake of water with a island in the middle way more water than than land involved so the game results are derive from the area of the island and the water in the lake alwas stays it the casino and all events on the island portion are random
    but the events of the water are never mixed with out going pays and never drain :)
     
  4. Apr 9, 2016
  5. CasinoTwitcher

    CasinoTwitcher Senior Member

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    That's around the amount of spins that a lot of slot machines are set to have between each bonus (on average, and in the long run), so if you get the bonus within this amount of spins averagely, your just hitting the normal expected amount of bonus rounds.
     
  6. Apr 9, 2016
  7. sueyh

    sueyh Senior Member

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    New Zealand
    Just different experience from yours.
    Sometimes no free spins at all after 1000s of spins, sometimes getting free spins every 10-50 spins...
    So I think it's random.

    And I have had a nice win on same slot after a big win, also I remember a few members said they had another wild line on DOA within a few days after they hit wild line.

    But I know what you mean. Sometimes, especially when I'm on losing streak, I think same thing.
     
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  8. Apr 9, 2016
  9. demonj

    demonj Experienced Member

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    Tin-foil hat on.. na its random really, sometimes you get it in ~50 spins sometimes 100+ even 1000+ so nah.. :p
     
  10. Apr 9, 2016
  11. luringenersmart

    luringenersmart Banned User - multiple accounts

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    just had about 700 spins on thunderstruck 2 without a bonus round. And this is the deposit after a withdrawal. Its just so many factors that make it seam like the games are not random.
     
  12. Apr 9, 2016
  13. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Had to laugh at that - I played TS2 at a new site for the first time yesterday. Very first spin, hit 3 scatters. Only paid 3.6x stake including trigger though. :(
     
  14. Apr 9, 2016
  15. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I think he means when you first play the slot i.e. open it up for the first time. I know what he is saying, if it's an average of say 130 spins, why is it always at least that if not more when he first plays it, and why can't that 1/130 spin happen on the first, twentieth or thirtieth spin??

    There are some stats on here for DoA, Immortal, TS2 and TFROL for over a million spins each. IIRC the average on the MG games was 1/124 spins and DoA 1/130.

    Search kktmd and Blaothon's posts for them. I did some on DoA too using the cheat engine in freeplay.

    On Rhino for example, my best spell was 5 triggers in 17 spins. Worst once in 877. Plus the OP is remembering losing runs and I suspect not recalling the good sessions they've had. Gamblers' memories are very selective.
     
  16. Apr 9, 2016
  17. geordiecolin

    geordiecolin Senior Member CAG PABnononaccred mm4

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    How come every time I have had free spins in Jack and the Beanstalk and its about to hit big,and most times when I have seen a video of a big win,it gives a fault message such as " connection is not possible,please try again later" ?
    It happens too many times to be a coincidence.
     
  18. Apr 9, 2016
  19. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Yeah defo rigged and not random,

    How come I've had...

    12 x DOA wild lines (and No I don't 'live' on this slot)
    3 x 4 Reel Wild Desires
    1 x 5 Reel Wild Storm
    14 x 5 Scatter Triggers on Thunderstruck
    8 x 1,000x+ Rhino Features

    Could go on but may jinx myself for the W/L I will be posting later this evening as I saw this wanted poster earlier with the roman numerals XIII on it so an omen maybe??

    I am this first to want to rant when slots are dead but I am 99% convinced they are not rigged otherwise I would not play as much as I do or for this number of years.

    A debate for another lifetime but I do think slots can be altered per casino.......Out of this thread lolol, leave that one with you :oops::oops:
     
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  21. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    uk
    John that's easy purely down to your stakes , try those games at £3 & above like me :D see what happens )

    & before anyone jumps in nope im not knocking low rolling , ive been testing the 12 spin count on a micro gaming site , to see how many features i can get over all the games within the 12 spins at £2 plus per spin on loads of games £3 per spin on 243 liners etc etc)
     
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  22. Apr 9, 2016
  23. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    ^^ Could not agree more, defo down to the small bet sizes! ^^

    On my better days, more so if I get a good start / huge hit and I have wagering then I do up my bets, not massive but certainly done my fair share of £1.20/£1.50 spins.

    Not once can I recall what I describe as a 'Hit worthy of the stake' its always a struggle.

    Recall that 4-reel Wild Desire I uploaded a couple of weeks or so back?? - I upped to 0.90 and £.1.20 spins and not one bonus (fair enough after that hit I suppose)

    Swapped to Jurassic and played same bets and hit 4 features (Chose different dino each time) and highest win was about £20 (which would piss me off on 0.30p)

    I have another of my 'famous saying' called 'The dreaded Microgaming fiver' which is like a curse, regardless of slot, regardless of stake, 7-8 times in ten its always a fucking 5er lol!!!!
     
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  24. Apr 9, 2016
  25. luringenersmart

    luringenersmart Banned User - multiple accounts

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    Yes i have had 5 wild lines pluss 5 scatters 2 time on DOA the last 3 weeks. But what i mean is sometimes certain games go so cold it is questionable.

    Nobody is saying its impossible to win, but sometimes it feel like when a slot does not want to pay it will not pay that day regardless of the spin amount you put trough it.

    My point is the slots feel more like raffles tickets than slots sometimes.
     
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  26. Apr 9, 2016
  27. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    It's cyclical and just about catching the slot at the right time, which is the tricky part needless to say.

    I hate going on the same slot that I had a good win on a few days ago and encountering the dreaded 'off-switch of doom', whereby the game plays like dog. It does beg the question "why can't it just go on a prolonged good run for once, why does it always turn to shit"!

    It does feel like you're just feeding the winnings back to compensate for the previous session. I could understand if you played the same slot 10 hours straight but it does *feel* as if some deposits are doomed and that this some form of 'correction'.

    But when all seems lost the game will spring a big win from out of nowhere and all is well in the world again. Us slotters are such a fickle bunch or else we wouldn't love this vice so much :cool:
     
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  29. luringenersmart

    luringenersmart Banned User - multiple accounts

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    This is what it feels like to me to. And every gambler i know that plays slots says the same thing. And everybody i know experience this "doomswitch" And in most cases one can tell after 10-15 min of play how the session is going to end.

    What seams to be the best tough, is not to stay on the same slot for to long, as its more likley to lose then.
     
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  31. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    It's also worth noting that games aren't aware of your gaming budget and what may seem like an eternity to trigger, a good bonus round is just a fraction of an infinite number of spins, so your £30 or even £1000 bankroll is kind of insignificant in the bigger picture.

    Of course it doesn't always feel that way as we aren't made of money and often find ourselves attempting to extract large sums using diminutive means at our disposal. Barring the odd good hit, we just can't sustain this template long-term as we are screwed from the outset anyway.

    When on a terrible run, best to take a short break and come back for another day, the slots aren't going anywhere. And when you get a slot in a good mood, it'll feel like night & day and make you wonder why the hell it wasn't like that before. And you may even find the bonus rounds can come in clusters too, it works both ways. Just don't go chasing! That's what 'they' want you to do! :eek:
     
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  32. Apr 9, 2016
  33. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Playing DOA with my last £10 just...

    5OAK boots, 2 spins later, 5OAK boots, next spin 5OAK Whiskey Glass. = Fair, decent not fixed, lovely little game, quite enjoyable :)

    Over 500 spins later odd teaser, no feature, no wins over .5x - BULLSHIT< FIXED< GIMPED< RIGGED, BORRRIIINNG PIECE OF SHIT :mad::mad:



    Night all :p
     
  34. Apr 10, 2016
  35. luringenersmart

    luringenersmart Banned User - multiple accounts

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    And also certain games that have very high spread fore example that pyramide game from net ent. Its 0-36000x stake. But its seams near impossible to get a 500x or above. I reccon i didd around 20-30K spins on it and the best win ive had is ruffley 250x. This to seams very "odd" to me. Im not expecting to have hit a 36000x but atleast a 500x on this kind of slot.

    Also the odds of bonus round in jack and the bean stalk is 1/162 and in Dead or alive its 1/152 but everybody knows it come way more often on Dead or alive. Why? If the odds are about the same?

    Same for T2 vs Immortal romance. About the same odds to get bonus but it seams its more frequent on IM.
     
  36. Apr 10, 2016
  37. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    Maybe Immortal Romance and Dead or Alive just stick longer in your memory, subconsciously you still remember your wildlines and 5-scatters etc.

    We have Dead or Alive which is by consensus the best slot of all time and induces excitement, fear, terror and disappointment with the odd sprinkling of euphoria thrown in. Versus Jack and the Beanstalk.

    And Immortal Romance is probably the fans' favourite and loved by almost everyone and can also crank up some amazing hits. T2 and JATB can drag during the base game and the big wins during bonuses seem much rarer.

    Let's just call it Slot Nostalgia :p
     
  38. Apr 10, 2016
  39. BoomUp

    BoomUp Full Member

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