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ID & Documents

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Simmo!, Sep 25, 2004.

    Sep 25, 2004
  1. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Can someone answer a query for me regarding ID and documents?

    Whenever i have come to cash out at any casino that isn't aimed at the UK market (where i live), I get asked for ID on the first "major" cashout. But 32Red, Ladbrokes, Littlewoods, Will Hill etc have never asked me for that. I win (sometimes!), i withdraw, i get paid.

    Is this becuase they are UK and I am UK? Do these 4 casinos ask non-UK residents for ID? If not, how come they don't need it and many others do?

    With that in mind, why do casinos that ask for ID ask only at the point they pay out and not when they accept a deposit? Surely, morally at least, they have more of a duty to ensure that the money they accept is not from a fraudulent source? Or am i missing something?

    Cheers

    Simmo!
     
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2004
  2. Sep 25, 2004
  3. nafanny29

    nafanny29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    financail adviser
    Location:
    London, England
    Very good question Simmo. I have had to provide ID to some UK casinos but not others.

    Ecash send a PIN which verifies that your address is valid which I think is a very good approach by them.

    I really dont understand why ID is needed as any winnings is recredited to whatever method you use to deposit. So if you used a stolen card to deposit with the winnings is returned to the stolen card which would be of no use to you at all.

    The only reason I can think of is money laundering but even that is not possible given the above.

    I use tesco for online shopping and have spends 1000s over the last 3 years but have never been asked for ID :D

    I think the whole ID thing can only be either a delaying tactic or possibly to stop multiple account abuse.
     
  4. Sep 25, 2004
  5. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Avenel, New Jersey
    Neteller Deposits

    What I don't understand, and I'm being facetious, is if I made a Neteller deposit into ANY casino, why should I have to go through fax backs, ID's and all the other nonsense of jumping through hoops to get MY money back.
    Neteller goes through a thorough bank verification. And, in turn, my bank won't open an account without a drivers license (or some sort of proper photo ID) and a utility bill.
    So, all this is taken care of LONG before these casinos want me to go through all this CRAP again!
    I believe that the ONLY reason the casinos delay payments is to keep OUR money in THEIR bank that much longer.
    Now, don't tell me about security BS because that is what it is ...BS!
    All the security was handled and taken care of BY the bank and Neteller!!
     
  6. Sep 25, 2004
  7. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Thats a very good point Lanidar.
     
  8. Sep 25, 2004
  9. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    landiar, i agree with . I made the same statement 3 years ago.
    Nostalgia ask me to fax back some forms, i told them nope, pull it up from phoneican you own by the same place, they was nice enough to do that.
     
  10. Sep 25, 2004
  11. eek

    eek Dormant account

    The UK stuff isn't normally a problem because it just gets fired back to your card and if the surplus can't (winnings) it gets mailed.
    You usually have to provide ID if you deposit by one method and withdraw via another.

    The sky group used to allow withdrawals less than $500 with no id if you deposited/withdrew by neteller. Geisha Lounge had a $500 limit too, but it no longer says much about it on their site just a 'In certain instances further documentation will be required' comment.
     
  12. Sep 25, 2004
  13. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Avenel, New Jersey
    Neteller Deposits

    Thanks Simmo... :notworthy
    It's just that I'm COMPLETELY fed up with their excuses...and that what it is EXCUSES, of why I need to send them personal info. The only ones that I want to have that info is my bank and my Neteller account. There is NO reason in the world that I should be advertising my personal info all over the Internet.
    And, don't forget, these casinos share this info. Some of them steal it and some of them sell it. That's a fact that seems to be put on the back shelf somewhere that no one wants to discuss.
    I'm sick and tired of these casino managers like CLOUD wanting my fax backs, ID's and utility bills. Who the hell is he to make him entitled to share this info with me.
    The man's a cheat and a thief. There are VERY few casinos that I trust out there...VERY few. And even those few, I wouldn't want to have my info either. There are so many casinos changing hands now a days that you REALLY don't know where that info will wind up.

    Time to get off my soap box.

    Thanks again Simmo
     
  14. Sep 25, 2004
  15. tunisianswife

    tunisianswife Dormant account

    Occupation:
    registered nurse
    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH USA
    what's the difference?

    I agree with the above opinions. What I have never been able to understand is if they are so concerned about fraud, etc. why is it that they have no problems with ID and fax back forms when they ACCEPT deposits? It seems the same would apply to deposits based upon this logic.

    Yes, I agree that most wants one to jump through hoops in order to get their "surplus" (loved that term)
     
  16. Sep 25, 2004
  17. virtualted

    virtualted No longer working for Virtual

    Location:
    Costa Rica
    Lanidar, the main reason we request an ID on Neteller or other E-cash transactions is to verify your identity. As an example, had we banned your account for lets say fraudulent activity in the past, and you open an account with a fake name and address to circumvent our security protocol, should'nt we know who we are paying? Last week we offered a free chip, to all customers, do you realize that I had to ban over 25,000 accounts by customers who opened a number of accounts to receive the free chip. One customer opened 765 accounts, and than won. Than got upset when we asked to see his ID to match up to his account. So that is why we ask for an Id here. Also we ask you to send your ID as soon as you sign up, so that way we never run in to a problem. It is sad that honest true gamblers, have to "go through hoops", but you must remember that there are a large percentage of players who are scammers. Bryan needs to update his evil player section more often, I doubt legitate players realize how many scammers are out there, both casino and player.
    Ted
     
  18. Sep 25, 2004
  19. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Wow. Thats just incredible. An eye opener for sure!

    That's to be applauded in my book. I can see why ID might be required, but that's how it should be Ted, at sign-upa nd clear in the T&C's. Wish more did it that way.

    Managing a business is as much about managing expectations as anything else in my experience. Get that right and loyalty follows.

    Plus its nice to get real answers from your side rather than player speculation Ted (no disrepect to anyone for their opinions here of course).

    Thanks.

    Simmo!
     
  20. Sep 25, 2004
  21. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Avenel, New Jersey
    Id's And Documents

    virtualted
    I have a Neteller account.
    I have a personal ID and a Secure, ID...which I share with no one.
    When I make a deposit into a casino FROM MY Neteller account I expect the winnings to go DIRECTLY back to THAT EXACT account. Why would it or should it go any where else but back to MY Neteller account?
    I don't know about credit cards or other E-cash transactions.
    All I'M talking about is Neteller.
    Knowing all that, which I'm sure you knew already, why in the world would I want to give you or anyone else my MOST personal info?
    Look at William Hill (paid next day), Sunny Group (paid in three days), Starluck Group (paid next day), Oasis (paid same day), VIP Casinos (paid two days) and on and on.
    I've played in over 100 casinos. And I play everyday. BUT, I only play in the best casinos. The ones with timely payouts and excellent customer service.
    No faxbacks...No ID's...No NONSENSE!
     
  22. Sep 26, 2004
  23. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    Same here. And i use only NETeller (certified) as banking method. Nothing else.
    But NO casino never ask me any ID's... never... After many, many cash outs.
    Ok these casinos, where i play have good reputation. AND, i always contact to new casino before i deposit, and i ask all possible question...
    Even about their business. Latest example is Bodog... and they sent very informative reply. Probably next place, where i open account.
     
  24. Sep 26, 2004
  25. Chill

    Chill Dormant account

    Location:
    Norway
    Why on earth do you need an ID for a neteller transaction, your log wil show the name of the player doing the transaction. If the name of player and neteller dosen't match, then and only then should you start to ask if something is wrong.
     
  26. Sep 26, 2004
  27. Ping

    Ping Dormant account

    Occupation:
    coffee drinker
    Location:
    Asia
    Maybe when NETeller first asked for some ID, have it scanned and ready in your computer, so that anytime some online casinos ask for some ID, you can easily email it to them. :thumbsup:

    Besides, I dont see anything wrong with ID verification. At least you'll know the online casino is doing some job regarding security. You wouldnt want someone claiming your winnings instead? You trust them and risk your hard earned money with them, why not with your ID?

    Just my 2 cents ...



    Ping
     
  28. Sep 26, 2004
  29. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Avenel, New Jersey
    Ping

    That "security" line that the casinos are tell you is JUST a lot of BS!!
    The point is that with a NETELLER account you should NOT have to give these people PERSONAL info.
    Who cares about someone else getting your winnings.
    How would you like someone to get YOUR Social Security number...the name of your bank...your HOME phone number...ETC.
    Neteller ALREADY went through a SECURITY check with my bank.
    Don't you understand that there is absolutely NO need for this?
    Once again...

    THE ONLY REASON WHY THE CASINOS WANT THE FAXBACKS, ID'S, UTILITY BILLS IS JUST AN EXCUSE TO KEEP YOUR MONEY LONGER.

    I can't understand why some people out there just don't get it.

    PERIOD!!!
     
  30. Sep 26, 2004
  31. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    1. = Yes that is true, if you use some trusted 3rd party system, like NETeller, then there is no need to re-check these thing (exclude: some random check, or if you hit some huge jackpot ;))

    2-3. = True and Maybe your letters are too small ;)

    But you are so right! Because why those trusted casinos never ask any ID from me (when i use only NETeller), because they don't have to tell me million excuses... (read=BS). And they know and trust, that NETTELLER USE HIGH SECURITY SYSTEM!

    My turn. Period. :D
     
  32. Sep 26, 2004
  33. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Avenel, New Jersey
    Id's And Documents

    :lolup:

    Thanks Sodax77 for your support. :notworthy
    If I didn't believe what I said I wouldn't post it. :)
    Hey...are my letters really too small? ;)
     
  34. Sep 26, 2004
  35. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    Ted, i know all about crooked players, they hit me up weekly with a plan, I dont know why people think i steal, all black people dont steal or should i say from the hood.

    But ted why do you need to check if they use neteller, how can they use other information, one account and one email at neteller.

    Now if you giving out free chips , i understand cause u dont need to depoist to get the money.

    but if i use neteller and get a bonus and win, why do u need to check my id, ssi number and all that bull,
     
  36. Sep 26, 2004
  37. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Avenel, New Jersey

    GO GET 'EM BETHUG!!!
     
  38. Sep 26, 2004
  39. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    :what: ... i think those letters are still too small :D

    NOT!!! Maybe people realize.... someday!

    And when i say Reputable before, i didn't mean CM-list, but usually.

    And you're welcome Lanidar, And i write, because i also agree this thing.

    And if Ted or whatever say something to this.... i mean deposit players, players who deposit and withdraw with NETeller.
    CC, etc is different story.
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2004

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