I think Piggs Peak owes me $20

[chuchu59]

m249a

I am indeed Poker333 on the PA forum. I have been representing Piggs Peak Poker / Poker333 on this matter. I honestly didn't need your 2 times poster remarks as this doesn't concern this matter at all. I haven't made it a secret that I was representing Poker333 at any time. However Chatmaster is my personal alias I have been using on a personal matter on forums all over the internet. Unforutunately the last thing I want is that Bryan does a IP check and find that I tried to pull trick #9 and ban me. I have edited my user description in that regard. Perhaps that will clarefy the missunderstanding.

Please understand one thing, mudslinging is not my speciality therefore I do not plan to reply to any of the slimy remarks made by Ippa2004. That seems to be his tactic on this matter, I prefer that Bryan have a look at this matter, and clarify what has happened here. If the mistake was made on our side by all means we will learn our lesson and admit to it.

To clear a few things up, Ippa2004 was not booted from chat because of collusion via chat therefore he is NO THIEF! It was for remarks and foul language made in the chat. He was blocked from chat by Prima after a number of complaints by players.

Imnotac,- The question about why didn't we just pay him the $20?

The moment we did that knowing that we did nothing wrong put us in a position where we allowed a person to blackmail (OUR POINT OF VIEW) us successfully for a lousy $20. He has threatened us that he was going to post us on every forum he could find. Which we felt he would have done anyway based on the correspondance we had with him from day one. He actually went out of his way to damage our poker room even after he was allowed withdrawing his money,... look at his heading on every forum he posted. Almost the same. "DONT BE RIPPED OFF" We are thieves? Sorry based on who's judgement? It is pointless to have any discussion with this guy.

Chatmaster,

I am not sure whether I am correct but if he never completed the required raked hands for the bonus,then why was he allowed to withdraw twice earlier. If he didnt complete the required raked hands for the current session,you can only keep his $3.06 but not the new deposit of $20 because he wasnt awarded a bonus. It would seem that even if Ippa did not complete his raked hands,you waived this requirement by allowing him to withdraw. If the bonus is only for the current $3.06,you cannot confiscate his newly deposited $20 otherwise you can say they are 'sticky bonuses'.

 

[Casinomeister]

Jeesus!

All this for a lousy twenty bucks?? This has got to be the longest thread ever for the price of a couple of pizzas!! After the first three pages, to include reading the threads at Deaning's site, my eyes glazed over and I had to start slapping myself to keep on track. Nevertheless, I made it to the end - and I can't believe I've invested this much time for something so insignificant.

But for some people $20 makes a difference...

I told lppa2004 six pages ago to mellow out - alas he has ignored my warning and I am tempted to tell him to take a long walk down a short pier, but he did apologize (somewhat), so I will not revert to a cyber-reprimand - at least not yet.

But a word of warning, businesses will not be slandered in this forum before all sides have been heard. I will not tolerate this. This demeans this board and everything it stands for - my presence was sorely missed in this respect I'm afraid, and I feel some have taken advantage of my absence. And my thanks for those who held their tongues not letting their emotions getting the best of them.

Next, some criticism for our new member lppa2004: you need to learn to keep your mouth shut - simple as that. A tactful and calm approach to whatever problem you were having would have saved hours worth of stress and senseless postings. There are some people who have to invest the time to weed through all this crap. To continuously rant and rave is disrespectful to any administrator and serious poster. If you have come here to simply "slam" some business you've definately come to the wrong place. As I mentioned on the first page of this long-ass thread, I told you I would look into this when I come back; I didn't expect you to continue on your juvenile path of running your mouth off.

If you feel you have a right to label someone a "thief", then why ask for assistance? You've already made your judgement, and I seriously doubt whatever I do will change your mind. Seems like you've made the judgement on your own. You've been banned from Prima Poker's chat apparently for abusive behaviour, and according to the poker room, they have already paid you more than your deposits. So what's the problem? You want twenty bucks? I'll Neteller you $20 bucks if you promise not to bother me again.

If you are unwilling to accept this, then explain to me in one simple paragraph - no more than four complete sentences - on exactly what the problem was, and I will look into this. You lost me on page four.

In the meantime, I'm renaming this thread to something more appropriate. To leave it as is is unfair to everyone.

 

[Casinomeister]

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[pokeraddict]

Jeesus!

All this for a lousy twenty bucks?? This has got to be the longest thread ever for the price of a couple of pizzas!!

As long as its not Papa John's

Sorry couldnt resist to try and lighten the thread up.

I must agree over $20 that was a bonus this is pretty ridiculous.

 

[lppa2004]

If you feel you have a right to label someone a "thief", then why ask for assistance? You've already made your judgement, and I seriously doubt whatever I do will change your mind. Seems like you've made the judgement on your own. You've been banned from Prima Poker's chat apparently for abusive behaviour, and according to the poker room, they have already paid you more than your deposits. So what's the problem? You want twenty bucks? I'll Neteller you $20 bucks if you promise not to bother me again.

If someone takes money from you, do you not call them thieves? If your the victim of theft, do you not call the police for assistance.. so yeah your probbably right not much you can do to change my mind on that.. Maybe if they would pay money owed i might change that belief...

I really dont know what i else i can do, you expect me to continue on telling why they owe me this money and you expect it done in one paragraph, i say you expect the impossible. But whatever...
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THE PROBLEM AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE
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The problem is they are keeping money that they claim i didnt meeet the rake requirements, yet i am quite positive they are lying or are very mistaken about the number of rakes (the numbers keep changing).. when requesting documentation of my rakes and live help chat transcripts they refuse to provide them..
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Usually means that theres something to hide when they refuse important records.. What kind of reputable and honest buiness wont provide those things if requested?


I dont know what else your looking for meister, but ive just told you in the shortest manner possible, the problem. If your not going to help, then hey Ill take MY $20 anyway i can get it, so if you want to Netteller it, i sure wont stop you. My netteler ID is 45xxxxxxxx.. Altho i dont think you should have to be the one paying for piggs peaks mistakes. But if your going to uphold and support PPP, why shouldnt i accept it?

And finally, you say ,,,

"Why over a lousy 20 bucks"...

Its a prinicple thing everyone... If you let a place take $20 then $200 is next and so on.. I cant belive any of you wouldnt be upset if someone was keeping your money regardless of the amount, im not sure when our economy got so good that we can just give money away w/o getting something in return.. maybe the rest of yall are rich, but i sure am not.. so just giving away $20 isnt in my vocabulary.. If somone robbed me for $20 as i was walking down the street id react the same as if it were $2,000 they were stealing..

 

[lppa2004]

pokeraddict.. the $20 is not from a bonus given, the $20 is money from my own pocket (Neteller deposit)

 

[pokeraddict]

That is not your real Neteller ID is it? If it is DELETE IT!

 

[jpm]

As long as its not Papa John's

Sorry couldnt resist to try and lighten the thread up.

I must agree over $20 that was a bonus this is pretty ridiculous.

Good one PA!

 

[lppa2004]

meister are you going to pursue this or not, do u need more info? please email me and we will kill the thread talk...

I really want to get this straigtened out ASAP, since i can not afford to give up $20 so easily. Especially when I deposited that $20 on the belief i was getting it back, which for some reason i had no problems making the withdrawals before...

Please, if your not going to help, then just say so, so i can attempt other routes and not waste my time here thinking youll help

 

[Casinomeister]

meister are you going to pursue this or not, do u need more info? please email me and we will kill the thread talk...

I really want to get this straigtened out ASAP, since i can not afford to give up $20 so easily. Especially when I deposited that $20 on the belief i was getting it back, which for some reason i had no problems making the withdrawals before...

Please, if your not going to help, then just say so, so i can attempt other routes and not waste my time here thinking youll help

I've taken the time out this morning to re-review this thread and others that pertain to this. After reading the Poker room's explanation of what happened and your responses, I believe I've helped you enough by affording you a platform to spew your whininess.

I don't feel anyone owes you anything. This is a business, and as soon as you get belligerent you're going to be shown the way out. If this would have happened at a land based poker room, you'd be out on the sidewalk staring up at the stars. As soon as you resort to abusive behavior, all bets are off. Goodbye, adios, tschss!

Here's your twenty bucks; don't ever bother me again.

 

[chuchu59]

I've taken the time out this morning to re-review this thread and others that pertain to this. After reading the Poker room's explanation of what happened and your responses, I believe I've helped you enough by affording you a platform to spew your whininess.

I don't feel anyone owes you anything. This is a business, and as soon as you get belligerent you're going to be shown the way out. If this would have happened at a land based poker room, you'd be out on the sidewalk staring up at the stars. As soon as you resort to abusive behavior, all bets are off. Goodbye, adios, tschss!

Here's your twenty bucks; don't ever bother me again.

Casinomeister,

Sigh! Did you really give him the 20 bucks? If so,I think PPP should reimburse it back to you. Small sum it may be,but as a matter of principle its really a matter between Ippa and PPP. As I said,PPP or maybe chatmaster,what you guys did wrong was to let him cashin on the earlier occasions when he didnt meet the wrs. On the other hand,Ippa really needs to learn to argue things in a civilised manner.

 

[lppa2004]

Here's your twenty bucks; don't ever bother me again

Hrmm, Thanks, I guess... I dont think i ever BOTHERD YOU in the first place, if PPP would provide information like they are SUPPOSED to do and not take peoples money and then openly lie on a public forum about my rakes.. then i guess this never would of been a real issue.. but thanks for the $$ I do appreciate the gesture, I just hope PPP gets caught in their web of lies and deceit and then maybe you will think a bit differently til then though..good bye and good luck

P.S.
I just think its a shame you chose their explanation w/o even weighing the evidence or lack there of i provided against them. but o well, i got most of my money back and thats all that matters...

f.y.i. by " lack thereof " i mean the fact they wouldnt provide records for me to prove or disprove the rake dispute

 

[Casinomeister]

... I dont think i ever BOTHERD YOU in the first place,
...

You used my forum (and others) to slandor a reputable business with an overemotional juvenile rant. That bothers me, because it is at my expense (time and effort to read through this crap - yes, crap).

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P.S.
I just think its a shame you chose their explanation w/o even weighing the evidence or lack there of i provided against them. but o well, i got most of my money back and thats all that matters...

All the evidence I need is comes from you. You don't know when to shut up, and you lack the tact and good manners to warrant my support. You blew it. I've wasted enough time with this.

Feel free to come back when you grow up.

Goodbye.

 

[lppa2004]

You say i handled it badly, but let it happen to you where a room keeps your money and then publicly tells lies or half truths, and to top it off no one is willing to help, because of me being upset... You show me one person that wouldnt get even more upset over being treated like that, and ill show you someone who has zen quality control, or isnt human..

Ive told numerous people what happened, and it seems only the people who arent affialtes with PPP agree I had every right to be upset... HOW INTERESTING EH', affilates agree with PPP and uphold them, but people who arent making money from them, agree that im in the right...

Just my observation of the recent events

But ill tell ya what, continue supporting them, they are NOT a reputable business.. They have openly and publicly told lies, and they wouldnt provide important records when requested.. IM going to say it once again, and if you dont agree meister then I know you had no plans to help in the first place... """ANY REPUTABLE AND HONEST BUSINES WOULD OF IMMEDIATELY PROVIDED THOSE RECORDS"""

Why would they ignore such a request if they werent hiding something???

Have the common courtesy to at least answer me that, since apparently noone else has even bothered to touch on this when its been brought up before.. its like it was intentionally being overlooked as a fact

If you answer me that, i will up and leave your forum and never return,,

Besides i dont think i will ever bring another problem to you again, you didnt treat the problem fairly, you just choose not to help because of behavious.. thats no excuse to not help someone... If there werent emostions involved in lost money, then what your doing wouldnt even be done, since no one would care that they lost money, why is it so wrong for me to be emotional over my money? If you think im the only one, then YOU also have alot of growing up to do, and not just me

I really find it funny that PPP didnt have the balls to answer why they wouldnt provide the records either. REASON - They are hiding something, i rest my case

 

[Casinomeister]

Dear lppa2004,

Please note: I am not an affiliate of PPP. They made it clear on another board that you were absolutely in the wrong. Why repeat themselves over here? If this were a case of over a few hundred dollars, I could see the point in digging further (requesting logs, etc.) But since I am dealing with an abusive player whining over $20, which I don't believe you were entitled to, I said the hell with it.

And I believe I treated you fairly - I gave you twenty bucks and told you to take a hike.

I also told you not to bother me again. Banned for life. Goodbye.

 

[m249a]

WOW! I am not going to attempt to speak for the meister or anyone else....Just my observations, I think the point that is trying to be made here is to temper your statement. I am all for expressing ones opinions and frustrations, however there is a time and place for everything.

I agree with you in-so-far as you are upset over $20.00. There CANNOT be a distinction between 20 bucks or 20,000 bucks. The amount is irrevelant when it comes to money that is owed someone. The very basic fact that you deposited money to acheive withdraw requirements should have been enough for them to pay you. I felt you were not getting a fair shake in the matter, and that other forum members were slandering you on THIS forum. the number one statement was in regards to your colusion with other players and that was the reason for your chat lockout. The casino did step up to the plate and say that statement was indeed false. Cudoos to them for that.

No proof was given as to if you were in the wrong. However, for whatever reason Bryan chose to pay you himself. IMHO you showed a total lack of respect or gratitude for this gesture. That sir, was wrong. I understand the need to defend yourself against false or slandours allegations, but Bryan made no such allegations or comments toward you. YOU set the tone for this entire thread, and YOU should accept responsiblity for the language used from the time you hit the submit button. I am NOT in any way shape or form condeming you for using the forums for expressing yourself. I am however condeming you for not showing ANY respect what-so-ever for getting what it is you came here for......................$20.00

Bryan got his reply in before I could.............he types faster