I need help, I'm being stiffed for $100,000

[cipher]

Apparently Cipher smells a rat so i am not gonna crucify isaacm until Cipher has a chance to get involved.

Hi Paul02085:

You're right about that and there's more than one rat.

Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[suzecat]

Hi Paul02085:

You're right about that and there's more than one rat.

Have a good one.

Cipher

Hi Cipher:

My curiosity meter is clanging away..........are you veering toward the multiple account collusion or just the regular collusion or something else?

 

[cipher]

Hi Cipher:

My curiosity meter is clanging away..........are you veering toward the multiple account collusion or just the regular collusion or something else?

Hi Suzecat:

NOBLE POKER has zero chance of putting together any kind of a case on multiple accounts and/or this ridiculous and purported claim of collusion. But now that NOBLE POKER and numerous agents for NOBLE POKER have made very public and criminal accusations against Isaac, there going to need to prove those accusations up or pay dearly.

Have a good one.

 

[suzecat]

Hi Suzecat:

NOBLE POKER has zero chance of putting together any kind of a case on multiple accounts and/or this ridiculous and purported claim of collusion. But now that NOBLE POKER and numerous agents for NOBLE POKER have made very public and criminal accusations against Isaac, there going to need to prove those accusations up or pay dearly.

Have a good one.

WOW Cipher! I have to admit I was totally surprised by this after reading elsewhere that Isaac had multiple accounts (speculated and not proven). A "wicky sticket" arising from a casino/pokerroom claiming player fraud/collusion as a reason for nonpayment of winnings.............who'd of thunk it?

 

[jetset]

Hi Suzecat:

NOBLE POKER has zero chance of putting together any kind of a case on multiple accounts and/or this ridiculous and purported claim of collusion. But now that NOBLE POKER and numerous agents for NOBLE POKER have made very public and criminal accusations against Isaac, there going to need to prove those accusations up or pay dearly.

Have a good one.

This is going to be good....maybe as good as the Pirate saga! I'm sure you'll keep us advised whenever you can Cipher, and I look forward to the unfolding story.

 

[Mousey]

Ah hah! The game is afoot...

Thanks for letting us know that this 'case' is not yet done...

 

[Slotster!]

Will be watching intently as it unfolds!

Best of luck Cipher!

 

[cipher]

Has anyone seen the graph on EMPIRE ON LINE (Noble Poker) lately? I mean I'm not a stock analyst but I don't think I need a degree to read where this stock is heading fast. Anybody got the name of that writer over their at the London Financial Times?

 

[Slotster!]

Gaming stocks are hit hard at the moment across the board Cipher (he says from bitter experience!) - so there's not a great deal to read into the graph. That said, it's quite an impressive decline and - you're absolutely right - the city and stockholders should be made aware with such a significant sum involved.

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You're the man

 

[buck]

Noble Poker Fort Knox

I think this case is history, looks like solid evidence against "I-scam".
If Cipher wants to pursue it it is his time, this is not the typical online casino rejecting a claim for no reason.

I would even venture to bet some cold hard cash that Noble will prevail.

Buck

 

[cipher]

I think this case is history, looks like solid evidence against "I-scam".
If Cipher wants to pursue it it is his time, this is not the typical online casino rejecting a claim for no reason.

I would even venture to bet some cold hard cash that Noble will prevail.

Buck

Whatever do you have in mind Buck?

Have a good one.

 

[Linus]

Cyper,

How do you ensure your clients pay you, if you do prevail?

What makes you think Isaac is in the right?

Have you managed to get a copy of the hand histories?

Thanks,
Linus.

 

[Renegade]

Update on the NoblePoker.com Tourney Win Dispute 06/21/2006 04:43 PM
Poker Room Review asked NoblePoker.com to release their evidence regarding a player denied the $100,000 prize in their Fort Knox tournament. Noble complied with this request and provided Poker Room Review with access to their evidence. After a comprehensive review of the materials, it is clear Noble has more than enough proof to back up their claim. Poker Room Review did its own investigation and came to the same conclusions Noble did. This players claim is riddled with flaws. A few examples: 2 accounts sharing the same IP address, several others living in the same building and 23 players out of the 30 (excluding the players 6 entries) in the entire tournament series came from the same specific region. Its the same as holding a series of online tournaments over the course of 3 weeks, and out of a possible 30 entrants, 23 came from Tennessee. The odds against that alone occurring naturally are stunning.

And there is additional evidence Poker Room Review has agreed not to divulge in order to respect Nobles security protocol. As a result of this, 22 accounts have been blocked. They also had this to say about not ever paying out the $100,000 prize: . . . this jackpot has been won 7 times across the network with Noble player SODERLIND winning the $100,000 in March 06. We have paid well in excess of $1,000,000 in jackpot prizes associated with this event alone across the network.

The only positive thing that came out of this was that players called for a poker site to prove their case, and the site responded.

This is exactly what Noble Poker told me.

I did provide this copy to Byran as well a few days ago.

I wasn't sure if he was looking into this or not.

 

[Linus]

It sounds like Noble security is also riddled with flaws. There's no way they should be letting same-IP players sit at the same table. Neither PokerStars nor Party allow this -- and, it's just common sense.

No matter whether they pay Isaac or not, they seem bent on proving they don't give a rat's ass about security - or about honest players.

No way I'd touch Noble poker after this. Or any site on their network.

 

[cipher]

Cyper,

How do you ensure your clients pay you, if you do prevail?

What makes you think Isaac is in the right?

Have you managed to get a copy of the hand histories?

Thanks,
Linus.

Hi Linus:

Through a very enforceable agreement. But I can tell you that I've never had to enforce the agreements.

Through talking with Issac and reviewing the available data.

I have not received the hand histories and do not even want to as they are of absolutely no consequence whatsoever to Issac or myself. My job is to collect on the debt that we can prove with absolute certainty is owed.

In matters such as this it's extremely important to keep on task instead of getting involved in all of the minutia.

Have a good one.

 

[Linus]

I would have thought posting the HH's would have been the best way to go about it. Whether other people were playing from the same IP is interesting, but not definitive. In any case, all we can do is take Noble's word for it.

There are 58K registered users at 2+2, and 1 or 2K logged in at any given time. Had Isaac been able to post HH's there, that showed he was innocent, Noble's (and iPoker's) names would have been Mud among internet poker players.

As it is, all we know is that Isaac hasn't been paid, and that Noble says it has good evidence that he was cheating.

But perhaps you have ways of bringing pressure to bear against Noble, other than public opinion.

 

[silcnlayc]

Its the same as holding a series of online tournaments over the course of 3 weeks, and out of a possible 30 entrants, 23 came from Tennessee. The odds against that alone occurring naturally are stunning.

I find this very interesting for when I was actively playing online poker, I noticed that at times many players came from the same vicinity as me (within miles of me) but I didn't know one person personally. I actually had 5 of us from a 30 mile radius of where I was located playing at the same table at one time during a tournament, so the chances of this happening might be astronomical but it can happen for it DID happen with me. Felt like old home week and yes, I lost and didn't make the qualifiers and so did all the others, but I guess if we had made it , we would have this same problem? Interesting....

 

[cipher]

I would have thought posting the HH's would have been the best way to go about it. Whether other people were playing from the same IP is interesting, but not definitive. In any case, all we can do is take Noble's word for it.

There are 58K registered users at 2+2, and 1 or 2K logged in at any given time. Had Isaac been able to post HH's there, that showed he was innocent, Noble's (and iPoker's) names would have been Mud among internet poker players.

As it is, all we know is that Isaac hasn't been paid, and that Noble says it has good evidence that he was cheating.

But perhaps you have ways of bringing pressure to bear against Noble, other than public opinion.

Hi Linus:

One would think if these hand histories were so damning against Isaac, they (NOBLE POKER) would have released them long ago in an effort to clear their name. But instead they continue to allude to their damning existence rather than bringing them to the table. Any wonder why?

Have a good one.

 

[Slotster!]

You're certainly getting some heat over on that other board Cipher! Bizarre how many people are ready to hang, draw and quarter - based purely on the words of a name on a message board... Madness.

 

[cipher]

You're certainly getting some heat over on that other board Cipher! Bizarre how many people are ready to hang, draw and quarter - based purely on the words of a name on a message board... Madness.

Ah what the Heck, it takes all kinds. But I really would like to see them hang their hats on something of sustance rather than hearsay an innuendo. It really is sad to see.

Have a good one

 

[soflat]

Its the same as holding a series of online tournaments over the course of 3 weeks, and out of a possible 30 entrants, 23 came from Tennessee. The odds against that alone occurring naturally are stunning.

Aren't the odds of winnings 6 tournaments in a row stunning also?

Maybe Noble or an affiliate advertised on a Tennessee campus? Then it wouldn't be stunning at all.

 

[cipher]

Aren't the odds of winnings 6 tournaments in a row stunning also?

Maybe Noble or an affiliate advertised on a Tennessee campus? Then it wouldn't be stunning at all.

Very good point!!!

Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[mr_adamski]

I do not see why 2 accounts sharing same IP would be a problem. It could be his roommate having an account and play whenever isacm isn't.
If Noble poker allows 2 handles from same IP to join same sit&go they have bigger problems than paying out 100k. How could any player feel confident with their poker room if they allow that??!?!

/adamski

 

[Linus]

I do not see why 2 accounts sharing same IP would be a problem. It could be his roommate having an account and play whenever isacm isn't.
If Noble poker allows 2 handles from same IP to join same sit&go they have bigger problems than paying out 100k. How could any player feel confident with their poker room if they allow that??!?!

/adamski

The only explanation I can think of, is that Noble doesn't care about cheating on its site, as long as the cheaters stick to cheating honest players (not the site).

 

[mr_adamski]

If 2 handles join from shared IP in same sit&go it's collusion/cheating but I can't find any info that was the case.

/adamski