I Hate the Reverse Withdrawal Facility

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Just venting steam really. Casinos should not have this 'facility' or at the very least should allow you to 'flush' your pending withdrawal upon request. The Reverse Withdrawal only benefits the casino and certainly not the player. In the hope that players reverse their withdrawal and spend it and lose it at the casino.

I am currently nearly 24 hours in a 48 hour pending state with my withdrawal at Grande Vegas. I've hit a brick wall work wise and guess what? The temptation to reverse and while away some time 'playing' is there. Doesn't help there is now some $7k in there grrrr

Well it's not going to happen. I'm going to go home, then come back into the office in a couple of hours refreshed and WORK and not play my winnings back.

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Yea I know what you mean, Im waiting on a withdrawal from 32red, Its by no means my biggest win however In the past there have been way too many withdrawals that shouldn't have been reversed.

My patience is miles better than it was around two/three years ago so cant see it being reversed.

Just keep reminding myself about my last session on 888 and with no communication I lost $900 errrgh

Will never play there again even though the poker competition is so soft!
 
I've got something to keep you occupied and take your mind off of that pending balance burning a hole in your casino account....:D

Seriously, it IS shit and exists for solely one reason. To give you time to come down from the win and 'reconsider' your playing options. Your post here confirms to the casinos firstly why they SHOULD have a pending period and secondly why they will never get rid of it. After all the acclaimed and feted 'colour number' that didn't originally have one made a 'business decision' to impose one. So kudos to the casinos that are fast paying casinos. :thumbsup:
 
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Just venting steam really. Casinos should not have this 'facility' or at the very least should allow you to 'flush' your pending withdrawal upon request. The Reverse Withdrawal only benefits the casino and certainly not the player. In the hope that players reverse their withdrawal and spend it and lose it at the casino.

I am currently nearly 24 hours in a 48 hour pending state with my withdrawal at Grande Vegas. I've hit a brick wall work wise and guess what? The temptation to reverse and while away some time 'playing' is there. Doesn't help there is now some $7k in there grrrr

Well it's not going to happen. I'm going to go home, then come back into the office in a couple of hours refreshed and WORK and not play my winnings back.

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I was told some time ago by a very reliable source (employed by one of the big casino groups) that they saved on average 30% in payouts since they introduced the pending period years ago. :eek:

Do you think they will remove that? It is a huge profit booster.

They will only change when players stay away and stop depositing. However, those with pending periods are all big guns and for them 1000 players more or less won't matter. It would need a lot more to really hurt them and that is not possible to mobilize. Players are just to gullible, important to them is that they can play and are getting paid eventually :confused: :eek:

We could try and call it a "Flu(a)shMob" against pending periods. :D :D
 
I've got something to keep you occupied and take your mind off of that pending balance burning a hole in your casino account....:D

Seriously, it IS shit and exists for solely one reason. To give you time to come down from the win and 'reconsider' your playing options. Your post here confirms to the casinos firstly why they SHOULD have a pending period and secondly why they will never get rid of it. After all the acclaimed and feted 'colour number' that didn't originally have one made a 'business decision' to impose one. So kudos to the casinos that are fast paying casinos. :thumbsup:

Exactly dunover and stopped paying on weekends as well :(

I am totally fed-up when that is popping up in some discussion and people are posting something like:

"Yeah, i have to wait 24-72 hrs but at least with them i know that they will pay."

Really gets me up to wall every time. :( :mad: Makes me wanting to scream: "You can get paid in minutes nowadays, you du****s" :rolleyes:
 
Reversing is by far my biggest weakness, I actually gag when thinking about how much I have lost. Harry's point about 30% of casinos' income being 'made' via players' reversals rings true.....I was going to state that I have easily forfeited about 20-30% of my bankable winnings, mainly due to hating the abrubtness of the inevitable bust and wanting to carry that feeling of winning going.

Casinos aren't chumps and know that we crave that feeling, and will almost always encourage it, it is a core part of their business. Even places of excellence have adopted this stance, which is sad but true. I don't know what a 7K withdrawal even looks like though, one 'tactic' I like to employ is to leave a few playing funds in the account and play on at lower stakes so as to resist the urge, although in principal this could be considered the same thing!
 
Reversing is by far my biggest weakness, I actually gag when thinking about how much I have lost. Harry's point about 30% of casino's income being 'made' via players' reversals rings true.....I was going to state that I have easily forfeited about 20-30% of my bankable winnings, mainly due to hating the abrubtness of the inevitable bust and wanting to carry that feeling of winning going.

Casinos aren't chumps and know that we crave that feeling, and will almost always encourage it, it is a core part of their business. Even places of excellence have adopted this stance, which is sad but true. I don't know what a 7K withdrawal even looks like though, one 'tactic' I like to employ is to leave a few playing funds in the account and play on at lower stakes so as to resist the urge, although in principal this could be considered the same thing!

I have done so a few times in the past but not for a long while now. I get into a battle of wills - the stupid pending period makes me angry, so I get a personal rage up towards the casino. "F*ck-off with your stupid pending period you try and dress up as a customer 'convenience' - it's MY effing money, YOU are paying me END OF!!"

And not a further play at their site until they have. ;)
 
I have got much better at not reversing withdrawals. Instead I blow the money at a couple others casinos :D

Have found myself to be really strange when I win big like couple weeks back I first won £1900 at Guts and also around €2500 at casumo. So basically total was bout £3900. I took out £500 cash also spoiled my girlfriend with £200. Bought some things as well and treated with dinner. But then to blow the remaining in 2 weeks playing most late nights really makes me angry on myself.

I will admit yeah got problem but I have got better at "banking=making the withdrawals instead carry on playing" Also taking out cash or remove money from my neteller. But then again I slipped couple weeks ago with these almost £4000. Get upset and angry at same time GRRRRRRR.

Also Had a $1500 withdrawal at Kudos Casino. But when I checked they need that silly form you have to print and sign etc. I though oh man cant be bothered as it was Saturday and they wont proccess until monday and was told verification could take 48-72 hours. So reversed and went down to around 200 got up to 1200 down to 300 up to $900 and then yeah ZERO.

That is the problem as most of us are gamblers and we love to play and we love the thrill of those big wins. I have really got the problem with getting down to earth again after nice big wins like those almost £4000 I just had.

If anyone can give me idea what to do next time it happens. As I have improved in lot of areas. I guess the main thing is to totally stay off gambling for 1 week for future after maybe a big withdrawal / win. That is my plan for now anyways :p
 
I have got much better at not reversing withdrawals. Instead I blow the money at a couple others casinos :D

Have found myself to be really strange when I win big like couple weeks back I first won £1900 at Guts and also around €2500 at casumo. So basically total was bout £3900. I took out £500 cash also spoiled my girlfriend with £200. Bought some things as well and treated with dinner. But then to blow the remaining in 2 weeks playing most late nights really makes me angry on myself.

I will admit yeah got problem but I have got better at "banking=making the withdrawals instead carry on playing" Also taking out cash or remove money from my neteller. But then again I slipped couple weeks ago with these almost £4000. Get upset and angry at same time GRRRRRRR.

Also Had a $1500 withdrawal at Kudos Casino. But when I checked they need that silly form you have to print and sign etc. I though oh man cant be bothered as it was Saturday and they wont proccess until monday and was told verification could take 48-72 hours. So reversed and went down to around 200 got up to 1200 down to 300 up to $900 and then yeah ZERO.

That is the problem as most of us are gamblers and we love to play and we love the thrill of those big wins. I have really got the problem with getting down to earth again after nice big wins like those almost £4000 I just had.

If anyone can give me idea what to do next time it happens. As I have improved in lot of areas. I guess the main thing is to totally stay off gambling for 1 week for future after maybe a big withdrawal / win. That is my plan for now anyways :p

Nope, I'm shit out of ideas. And probably the worst person to give advice on reversals, but as you'd just spend it elsewhere that's not really a problem! It's very easy to say here and everyone's circumstances are different, but if I ever won big I wouldn't allow myself to gamble it away somewhere else....

I think your original idea was best as you're trigger happy with money, you're best off paying off outstanding bills perhaps or just splashing it on something tangible. Just spend a large proportion of it on something 'good' so that whatever you've left yourself is disposable.

I also read somewhere on here recently whereby a member has a savings account that can be easily paid into but takes ages to withdraw from and loses you interest in the process. Chuck a load in there and don't look back I say!

I also found taking up hobbies that were once dominant in your routine is great too, say gaming for example. I always insist that I'm actually a fan of video slots more than 'just' regular slots. I think a lot of appeal lies in their visuals, so I say swap one 'layabout' vice for another.

When immersed in something else I find myself not missing gambling a lot, as it is not at the forefront of my mind. Playing slots day in, day out can actually take precedence over all else and you'll probably surprise yourself at how easy it is to break this trance.

Now I'm off to attempt to follow my own advice :eek:
 
Simples.....

Take a 24H/48H cool off from the site until the withdraw is processed, it used to be the only thing that would work for me, take the temptation away, try a few quid somewhere else safe in the knowledge your withdraw will be processed and will be on its way to you.
 
Reversing is by far my biggest weakness, I actually gag when thinking about how much I have lost. Harry's point about 30% of casinos' income being 'made' via players' reversals rings true.....I was going to state that I have easily forfeited about 20-30% of my bankable winnings, mainly due to hating the abrubtness of the inevitable bust and wanting to carry that feeling of winning going.

Casinos aren't chumps and know that we crave that feeling, and will almost always encourage it, it is a core part of their business. Even places of excellence have adopted this stance, which is sad but true. I don't know what a 7K withdrawal even looks like though, one 'tactic' I like to employ is to leave a few playing funds in the account and play on at lower stakes so as to resist the urge, although in principal this could be considered the same thing!

Snap, same here and I reversed $600 this evening. RAH!!! :mad:

But then I withdrew $1000 an hour later :D

Seriously I hate the Reverse Withdrawal feature/facility. It is not a facility it is a ploy by a casino to make you lose your winnings, before you even see them. However, tomorrow night, I won't be anywhere near the internet, other than on my phone.
 
Nope, I'm shit out of ideas. And probably the worst person to give advice on reversals, but as you'd just spend it elsewhere that's not really a problem! It's very easy to say here and everyone's circumstances are different, but if I ever won big I wouldn't allow myself to gamble it away somewhere else....

I think your original idea was best as you're trigger happy with money, you're best off paying off outstanding bills perhaps or just splashing it on something tangible. Just spend a large proportion of it on something 'good' so that whatever you've left yourself is disposable.

I also read somewhere on here recently whereby a member has a savings account that can be easily paid into but takes ages to withdraw from and loses you interest in the process. Chuck a load in there and don't look back I say!

I also found taking up hobbies that were once dominant in your routine is great too, say gaming for example. I always insist that I'm actually a fan of video slots more than 'just' regular slots. I think a lot of appeal lies in their visuals, so I say swap one 'layabout' vice for another.

When immersed in something else I find myself not missing gambling a lot, as it is not at the forefront of my mind. Playing slots day in, day out can actually take precedence over all else and you'll probably surprise yourself at how easy it is to break this trance.

Now I'm off to attempt to follow my own advice :eek:

That was me goatwack.... and it works really well...... as i am self-employed i have to look after my own retirement fund and since i want to retire at 55 (47 now) i have to feed that savings account regularly.

I had it for some 20 years now. First it would be monthly payments but about 10 years ago when i changed to freelancer I stopped that and do now larger payments whenever i get a bigger commission payment or after receiving the dosh from a big win.

About 20-30% of a big win go straight into that account and since it has a 30 days request period for a withdrawal it never ever tempted me to touch that money. Add that any withdrawal comes with a penalty where i have to waive the complete interest for the running year and it becomes even more unattractive to withdraw a part. I would sure due it in a case of an emergency but certainly not to feed my gambling.

As for reversals, i started to activate a 24-48hr break period at 32RED whenever i have a withdrawal pending. Nowadays, that is the only casino which has a pending period and i still play at regularly. Hence, i beat them with their own strategy.....they make me wait for my money, i make them wait to see me playing again. :D :p

Last year at 32RED alone i lost 17K in withdrawals due to that damn' "pending and reversing" :mad: not anymore now :thumbsup:

There is no real advice one can give to someone to prevent a reversal. I do it mostly when i have run out of budget for the week and got 1 or 2 withdrawals pending. And 98-99 times /100 it is always the same story - start with a small reversal, lose it, another small one, lose it, another small one, lose it, reverse a bigger sum, lose that too, reverse the lot, recover a little, still lose it in the end. :rolleyes:
 
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Are there any microgaming casinos who still flush withdrawals!!

On the subject of pending withdrawals can anyone tell me if the are any good down loadable microgaming casinos who still have the ability to flush withdrawals....
thanks Puppy
 
On the subject of pending withdrawals can anyone tell me if the are any good down loadable microgaming casinos who still have the ability to flush withdrawals....
thanks Puppy

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I have got much better at not reversing withdrawals. Instead I blow the money at a couple others casinos :D

Have found myself to be really strange when I win big like couple weeks back I first won £1900 at Guts and also around €2500 at casumo. So basically total was bout £3900. I took out £500 cash also spoiled my girlfriend with £200. Bought some things as well and treated with dinner. But then to blow the remaining in 2 weeks playing most late nights really makes me angry on myself.

I will admit yeah got problem but I have got better at "banking=making the withdrawals instead carry on playing" Also taking out cash or remove money from my neteller. But then again I slipped couple weeks ago with these almost £4000. Get upset and angry at same time GRRRRRRR.

Also Had a $1500 withdrawal at Kudos Casino. But when I checked they need that silly form you have to print and sign etc. I though oh man cant be bothered as it was Saturday and they wont proccess until monday and was told verification could take 48-72 hours. So reversed and went down to around 200 got up to 1200 down to 300 up to $900 and then yeah ZERO.

That is the problem as most of us are gamblers and we love to play and we love the thrill of those big wins. I have really got the problem with getting down to earth again after nice big wins like those almost £4000 I just had.

If anyone can give me idea what to do next time it happens. As I have improved in lot of areas. I guess the main thing is to totally stay off gambling for 1 week for future after maybe a big withdrawal / win. That is my plan for now anyways :p


I have learned so much since starting to gamble. I used to tilt and chase losses which was very bad for my finances. I stopped doing this. I set myself a bottom line and kind of say "ok I deposit $300 more and if it doesnt work out I stop for awhile" and I stick to it.

I have also learned I am not invincible and once you get a nice hit or two and your balance starts going down and down. Stop and cashout. Because this is how you lose it all. Set a bottom line always. So say you deposit $200 and run it up to $900. You say to yourself the bottom line is $700 or cashout and leave yourself $200.

Ive also done as you before. Win in one casino then go and lose it in others. Ive learned to take a $100 of my winnings and try another casino and maybe take a bonus to increase play time and see what I can do.

In the past two months ive been so lucky its crazy. Up $8000. And im pretty much a low roller (.75-1.50) bets. So yeah those kinds of wins is really crazy for me. I decided to take $200 into my playtech casino for a change of scenery and $200 back on the site I won all that money. If I lost. Break time. I lost in the playtech casino and won $340 in the other. I was up $600 but lost $260 back. But because I set myself a bottom line I didnt lose that profit back and cashed out.

Any sign of coldness I would stop for awhile and enjoy the money. Even though I won that session, when I lost the $260 back it was due to my fav hot slots I have been winning on going cold.

I havent played in a few days like I told myself and am awaiting for $6000 to arrive in my account. (as ive already received the other $2000 already)

I find Its all about self control and setting bottom lines and sticking to it
 
Exactly dunover and stopped paying on weekends as well :(

I am totally fed-up when that is popping up in some discussion and people are posting something like:



Really gets me up to wall every time. :( :mad: Makes me wanting to scream: "You can get paid in minutes nowadays, you du****s" :rolleyes:

Hi Harry,

Yeah, guilty as charged here. I only include little comments like that on the Data Forum etc. so that maybe newer folks from my...um..."region" :rolleyes:.....will at least know who pays regular. It must seem ridiculous to you folks elsewhere seeing someone have to wait days to get paid but what can we do? We don't have Skrill or Neteller. We don't have many options period and they all suck.

The thing is, I don't see this changing anytime soon. With a casino on every corner (Indian rez's, and any piece of land remotely connected to water - "Riverboat" law) and all that, they are going to lobby like mf'ers to squelch any kind of i-gaming until they figure a way to milk it. They would have never gotten away with it in Jersey except for that it's a mob state and Christie (Gov.) is probably getting a chunk, or was forced into it. (JMO)

I've just resigned myself to it and consider it a trade-off for the privilege(?) of playing in my home.

As far as the thread here, it has been my experience if you don't make habit of reversing, it seems to get flushed quicker - not my original idea; I seem to have read that in a post somewhere on here.
 
Hi Harry,

Yeah, guilty as charged here. I only include little comments like that on the Data Forum etc. so that maybe newer folks from my...um..."region" :rolleyes:.....will at least know who pays regular. It must seem ridiculous to you folks elsewhere seeing someone have to wait days to get paid but what can we do? We don't have Skrill or Neteller. We don't have many options period and they all suck.

The thing is, I don't see this changing anytime soon. With a casino on every corner (Indian rez's, and any piece of land remotely connected to water - "Riverboat" law) and all that, they are going to lobby like mf'ers to squelch any kind of i-gaming until they figure a way to milk it. They would have never gotten away with it in Jersey except for that it's a mob state and Christie (Gov.) is probably getting a chunk, or was forced into it. (JMO)

I've just resigned myself to it and consider it a trade-off for the privilege(?) of playing in my home.

As far as the thread here, it has been my experience if you don't make habit of reversing, it seems to get flushed quicker - not my original idea; I seem to have read that in a post somewhere on here.

Sorry Ebee, i hope i have not offended you. I know and understand the situation in the "Big Land of the Free", it must be very frustrating.

My comment was directed at players from other parts of the world where e-wallets and quick withdrawal options are fully available.
 
The good casinos will have limits on wagering. If you think you're going to be tempted to reverse set yourself a £10 daily wagering limit until your payment is sorted.

I recently closed an account at a casino for always taking 48hrs to process my payouts. In this day and age it's unjustifiable and we know exactly why they do it.
 
This is normally the practice I follow as well. But difficult to do this with Grande Vegas as they also pay my affiliate commission to my casino account. #quandary

However, today I am going to stay strong and not reverse :D

Maybe it helps you to tell you my highest withdrawals that i lost:

- 2009 - Villento - 11K USD
- 2012 - Royal Vegas - 6K EUR
- 2015 - 32RED - 5.400 AUD and 3,500AUD
- 2009-2016 - total reversed and lost - 96,740 AUD (some converted from EUR/USD)

I can honestly tell you it hurts badly. Reversing and losing a few hundred is OK in my view but those amounts haunt me until today, especially since most came from smallish deposits, meaning it was real won money, not just recouping losses. :oops:
 
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Yep, that sucks :(

Casinos should at the very least allow Manual Flushing.

FYI, you can reverse "flushed" withdrawals!!! They are just not visible in your banking section.

As long as payments have not started processing them you can always reverse. LiveSupport will do it for you if you had previously flushed it.

The only way to go (if pending period is enforced) is taking the 24-48hr break option. At 32RED you can do it from their website, hence all easy and you can relax the days until it is paid knowing you will see 100% of the dosh in your account :thumbsup:
 

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