I classify this as a bad beat

catrina m

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Is this a bad beat or stupid play, these are back to back hands in an $11 tourney, same person called

Its like I was playing a dollar tourney.

PokerStars Game #22745915450: Tournament #125328159, $10+$1 Hold'em
No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/12/08 19:32:06 ET
Table '125328159 278' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: fbtmof05 (2165 in chips)
Seat 2: stumpy1345 (2610 in chips)
Seat 3: tammyjean1 (3065 in chips)
Seat 4: anipoker (4035 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: jonny993 (2895 in chips)
Seat 6: 4sure2lose10 (3275 in chips)
Seat 7: fishinlarry (3385 in chips)
Seat 8: catrinamel (4150 in chips)
Seat 9: SamuelSmoke (1420 in chips)
anipoker: posts small blind 25
jonny993: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to catrinamel [Kc 2d]
4sure2lose10: folds
fishinlarry: calls 50
catrinamel: calls 50
SamuelSmoke: folds
fbtmof05: folds
stumpy1345: folds
tammyjean1: raises 50 to 100
anipoker: folds
jonny993: calls 50
fishinlarry: calls 50
catrinamel: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [Th 9d Kh]
jonny993: checks
fishinlarry: checks
catrinamel: checks
tammyjean1: bets 400
jonny993: folds
fishinlarry: folds
catrinamel: raises 3650 to 4050 and is all-in
tammyjean1: calls 2565 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1085) returned to catrinamel
*** TURN *** [Th 9d Kh] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Th 9d Kh 7h] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
catrinamel: shows [Kc 2d] (a pair of Kings)
tammyjean1: shows [Js Ad] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
tammyjean1 collected 6355 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6355 | Rake 0
Board [Th 9d Kh 7h 8c]
Seat 1: fbtmof05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: stumpy1345 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tammyjean1 (button) showed [Js Ad] and won (6355) with a
straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 4: anipoker (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: jonny993 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: 4sure2lose10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: fishinlarry folded on the Flop
Seat 8: catrinamel showed [Kc 2d] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: SamuelSmoke folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #22745942260: Tournament #125328159, $10+$1 Hold'em
No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/12/08 19:33:07 ET
Table '125328159 278' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: fbtmof05 (2165 in chips)
Seat 2: stumpy1345 (2610 in chips)
Seat 3: tammyjean1 (6355 in chips)
Seat 4: anipoker (4010 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: jonny993 (2795 in chips)
Seat 6: 4sure2lose10 (3275 in chips)
Seat 7: fishinlarry (3285 in chips)
Seat 8: catrinamel (1085 in chips)
Seat 9: SamuelSmoke (1420 in chips)
jonny993: posts small blind 25
4sure2lose10: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to catrinamel [Ac 5h]
catrinamel said, "unreal"
fishinlarry: folds
catrinamel: raises 1035 to 1085 and is all-in
SamuelSmoke: folds
fbtmof05: folds
stumpy1345: folds
tammyjean1: calls 1085
anipoker: folds
jonny993: folds
4sure2lose10: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c Kh Ks]
catrinamel said, "call with that and win lmao"
*** TURN *** [8c Kh Ks] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [8c Kh Ks 5c] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
catrinamel: shows [Ac 5h] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
tammyjean1: shows [8h 6h] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
tammyjean1 collected 2245 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2245 | Rake 0
Board [8c Kh Ks 5c 4h]
Seat 1: fbtmof05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: stumpy1345 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tammyjean1 showed [8h 6h] and won (2245) with two pair, Kings
and Eights
Seat 4: anipoker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jonny993 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: 4sure2lose10 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: fishinlarry folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: catrinamel showed [Ac 5h] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 9: SamuelSmoke folded before Flop (didn't bet)



This is the ranking of tammyjean1, it was a donkfest

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NextToYou

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Hi,

These hands are bad beats YES, but not very rough ones. In the second one you are only leading ~60/40 pre-flop so the opponent will win that confrontation 4 times out of 10.


However, you asked if you played bad yourself also and the answer to that is also YES.

K2 offsuit is not a hand you want to play at all in a full (7-10 handed) table.

Also your open all-in in in hand 2 is overaggressive - you still have over 20 big blinds left in your stack so there is no need to open push your whole stack preflop all-in.


I'd suggest you to learn a bit more basics of the game if you want to make profit at $11 buy-in tournament level in the future. You know, it's always more nice to finish top3 regularly than bottom3. ;)
 

catrina m

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Do you also play at pokerstars?

Then you must know that regardless of your hand in a 3000, 4000 person buy in that you will lose unless you play.

Not rough?

A 5% river shot is rough.

I just got put out of another one where I was called by a 3,4 offsuit and it made a full house.

How do you call all in with a 3, 4 and win unless you feel indestructable.

How do you call all in with an inside straight draw unless you feel luck is on your side.

Like tammyjean1 from malta who is currently 40th and going on to big money after miracle wins.

I watched the tourney and am currently watching it. Its unreal at the seemingly losing hands that win.

Just my 2 cents, but online gambling is seeming less and less appealing.

Too risky for my recession dollars.
 

catrina m

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Also your open all-in in in hand 2 is overaggressive - you still have over 20 big blinds left in your stack so there is no need to open push your whole stack preflop all-in.


That was a tilt, and it happens unfortunately.
 

catrina m

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I'd suggest you to learn a bit more basics of the game if you want to make profit at $11 buy-in tournament level in the future. You know, it's always more nice to finish top3 regularly than bottom3. ;)


I would also like to add that you try to escape the all in donkfest by playing higher buy ins, do you not?

The basics seem to me to survive without getting blinded out, any suggestions?

The tourneys that are less than $10 are over run by everyone going all in almost every hand.


I apologize if I seem rude, but I am playing these constantly and I haven't lost much except to the huge multi table tourneys. I play very well in the single tables and I invite you to play me in a reasonable buy in if you think it is my skills that are lacking.

Should I play single tables constantly, because that is where I do win by finishing top 3. More than not.

Avoid the tourneys is the suggestion?
 
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catrina m

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case in point, I am currently here in a huge multi

What skills do I need other than pure luck to survive the idiots?
 

SteveCut

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Catrina, I agree with NextToYou. In the first hand, I wouldn't have got involved in the first place with K2o. OK, a skilled LAG might get away with it, but I'm not one and I don't think you are too. Then on the flop, I would suggest that is a call or a fold depending upon your read of the opponent. I don't think you can go all in with top pair+no kicker here!

The second hand looks like tilt. You can't normally call all-in with A5o. So that's not a bad beat as you only have yourself to blame really. (sorry). In these all-in situations, there's really no huge advantage of one hand over another except for big pairs over small pairs.

If you want to play MTT's, maybe you should tighten-up a little, at least at the beginning of the tournament and thereby avoid the donkfest hands unless you have a very good hand. Then when you have a good hand, play it hard to deter the fish from drawing-out on you. You can still play speculative hands early from late position if you can play them cheaply, but if you don't hit better than top pair, then be patient and get out if there's heat.

If the table's playing loose, then you will gain by playing tighter & v.v.
 

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Hey cat nice to see more of these donkfests :thumbsup: As allready stated k2 is an instant muck,And yep hand two you can see its complete tilt :p But there are no badbeats there at all. You got outdrawn and thats it cat. A badbeat is say you have 66 and flop is 699 turn 2 river 10 and they turn over 1010 lol Theres so many combos of badbeats,A badbeat is classed as a monster hand geting outdrawn tho, Your 1st hand has happened to me at least 10 times today alone. But not holding k2 lol . I am also going to start puting hand historys up. You will learn cat :thumbsup: Gl on tables (you need it with them donkfests)
 
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NextToYou

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I would also like to add that you try to escape the all in donkfest by playing higher buy ins, do you not?

I play higher buy-in games, because I earn more absolute money through them. If I'd have to achieve as high ROI as possible (return on investment), I'd play those lower buy-in tournaments though, because as you said, the level of play in those is much worse. I don't play much tournaments at all though (MTT or STT) - I prefer cash games (because of less variance).

Remember that MTT's are very high variance type of game form. One bad beat and you are out - if you want to win, you have to outdraw atleast once or twice in the tournament usually yourself. If you prefer lower variance, I'd suggest cash games or up to 45 player sit and go tournaments.
 

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K2o 7 handed is a recipe for disaster. You're just asking to make your kings and have the worst kicker - or make something on the low end with the duece. Sorry but I think it was a bit more of poor play and a bit less of bad beat. :)

Even for the second one, I understand you were low on chips, but again, unless you're expecting the wheel I really don't think calling there was the best idea. Yes, he was playing with dumb cards, but you didn't know that and still took the risk. You said it yourself, you were on tilt - and paid for it.

Good luck.
 

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To cat or anyone else who knows ? How do i get my hand history up like cats ? I went into my poker room and got hand history,But they show you the cards and not the whole details of that hand. I went in to my logger on hard disc,But i cant open it as it says cant fid ap program ? Any ideas ? I play at crazy poker on prima network by microgramming.
 

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Catrina
No offense, but if you are intertested in playing NL holdem tourneys, I suggest you a very good, basic book, Harrington on Holdem parts I-II from Dan Harrington. The two parts probably cost 60$, but it's well worth it, the K2o hand shows that you will profit a lot from reading that book. Wish you better luck for the future tourneys!
My worst bad beat was on a WSOP qualifier, 6 player remained, two short stacks, one mid-stack and three high-ish stacks fighting for 2 15000$ WSOP package, I am the third biggest stack and raise 3 big blinds from second position with QdQs, second biggest stack call on the button, flop is Qc 7d 8s, I bet 3/4 pot, button puts me all-in, I call, he shows Qh 9c, turn is Jh, river is Td, and I'm out instead of being a huge chipleader. He exactly needed a 56, 6T or TJ on the turn/river, he got it, and he went to the WSOP, and I did not. That's poker.
 

catrina m

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To cat or anyone else who knows ? How do i get my hand history up like cats ? I went into my poker room and got hand history,But they show you the cards and not the whole details of that hand. I went in to my logger on hard disc,But i cant open it as it says cant fid ap program ? Any ideas ? I play at crazy poker on prima network by microgramming.

On poker stars you can request your hand history to be emailed to you.

Thanks for all the help guys.
 
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