I can't believe people exactly play online

[Lord_Have_Mercy]

I can't believe people actually play online

Casinos. I tried $1100 and lost my A$$ off at Playtech and RTG. I offically quit and closed my Neteller account. You can say its just bad luck. You can say its not rigged. I QUIT!!! Everytime I bet $50+, Dealer pulls out 20 and 21s like its mad. And I supposed to sit here and accept it when the dealers pulls 21 when I got 20 and 19 on two handed $120 bets. Online Casinos can goto hell. I am deleting everything that has anything to do with online gambling from my computer. For all those who manage to hit nicely. Great I left more money for you to grab. I am GONE!!!!

 

[DealerBusts]

I understand your feeling completely because you're not the only one who has been burnt by Playtech BJ. I don't understand why Playtech don't clean up their game because they have some very reputable UK casinos using their software. Their reputation is at serious risk here.

Its time someone came up with a 'Casino Bar' test on Playtech BJ and draw some solid conclusions.

 

[Lord_Have_Mercy]

Yes it was Playtech, Mapau at Sunny Group and Carnival Casino. I even had a section. Where I betted $100 on two hands. The first hand was 20 and the second was BJ. The dealer showed an Ace and then BJ. Even one section (5) 9 cards came out in a row.

I have closed my Neteller account. And started back trading Stocks. I QUIT ONLINE GAMING!

 

[winbig]

It'd be interesting to see your play logs if you're interested....just to see this bad streak Sorry for you having this experience

 

[Mugwump]

Its time someone came up with a 'Casino Bar' test on Playtech BJ and draw some solid conclusions.

What I'd really like to see is an audit company that actually audits individual game results, and not just payback percentages. They should be able to take samples of hands meeting certain criteria and check to see if they meet reasonable ranges:

Some BJ criteria would be: 11 vs 6 showing, doubles, splits, 16 vs 10 showing, wins when a bet is > than 2x average bet for session, etc...

I think a proper audit methodology here would do much to benefit consumer confidence in the industry, allowing the casinos to make even more money.

 

[Johnny Empire]

Can I take your bonus offers then? Carnival and Club Dice banned me for taking too much of their cash...

(Yes, I'm kidding about taking the offers, but Playtech BJ Switch is fair. A 20-bet run is nothing.)

 

[philipfromparis]

Lucky one day, unlucky another, that's the way it is !

But one thing we should all remind when playing online is that you're beting against the house ! The chance to win on table games when playing online are not equivalent to the chance you've got to win when playing in based land casinos, and that is something you can be sure of !

Your experience prooved it, but a lot of player's experience would have prooven it having read different posts in CM forum or others before ! All is about entertainment when playing online, and it would be a crazy behaviour to believe people who tell here and there that it is a good way to earn a livehood !

Of course it is very attractive to see all winners' screenshots in this place, but ask to the people who post there how much they spend to have the privilege to post there (notwithstanding the ones who post after having played in free mode).

Definitely i would say that as long as you play what you can without throwing away what you need to pay your invoices, go on ! But please, don't even think that gambling online would allow you to have a better life. And if the games you like to play are table games, prefer the old method which consist in sitting on a seat and waiting for the cards the real man you've got in front of you is going to give you !

Philipfromparis

 

[Mugwump]

The chance to win on table games when playing online are not equivalent to the chance you've got to win when playing in based land casinos, and that is something you can be sure of !

Aside from the inability to count cards due to the new deck every deal, there should be NO difference in percentages on casino vs house games. If there is a difference, then that would mean there is no difference between playing bj or slots online.

I'm not denying that some software seems to have luckier dealers than others. If this is true, however, there is no reason why players should be expected to accept it, without a disclaimer appearing in the casino's rules on the games that are manipulated.

 

[philipfromparis]

...without a disclaimer appearing in the casino's rules on the games that are manipulated.

That would be the solution of course but i'm not sure Mugwump we gonna see this wheresoever But it totally agree with you in the fact that it is not to the player to assume the risk of beeing crooked by any online casino ! It seems that in some kind of businnesses, regulation has a future

 

[vedat]

casinos online and real same

you can get lucky on real casino and win lots of money or it goes downhill.but on online casino you can win same amount but with less money its better there times i lost 2k- 3k online but there are times i won 5k from 100$ deposit it happens i saw it i know it there are lots of good casinos out there would suggest all new players to play at 888 and crytologic casinos becouse when you win they pay you with out any problems .(sorry for my english)

 

[Vesuvio]

All is about entertainment when playing online, and it would be a crazy behaviour to believe people who tell here and there that it is a good way to earn a livehood!

Pssssst! Ever heard of bonuses

p.s. I'm with you on the fairness of on-line table games, but you could argue it's crazier to play on fair games as then you're guaranteed to lose long term. At least some rigged games are potentially beatable!

 

[KasinoKing]

All is about entertainment when playing online, and it would be a crazy behaviour to believe people who tell here and there that it is a good way to earn a livehood !

Make a livelihood? No. Make regular extra income? Yes!

It is always a nice bonus to have some extra cash at the end of the month!

 

[Tdoggy]

The Big Difference

The Biggest difference between online casinos and casinos that you actually go to and sit at a table and play is that with online casinos you never know if you are going to get paid!!!

Walk in a casino and sit at a table and win and you get paid right there!!!

This is a huge difference.....

I have played at many online casinos and I am always worried that a casino might stiff. Especially a RTG casino.

Later Tdoggy

 

[winbig]

The Biggest difference between online casinos and casinos that you actually go to and sit at a table and play is that with online casinos you never know if you are going to get paid!!!

Walk in a casino and sit at a table and win and you get paid right there!!!

This is a huge difference.....

I have played at many online casinos and I am always worried that a casino might stiff. Especially a RTG casino.

Later Tdoggy

There are good RTG's out there, I wish people would quit grouping them all together and making the assumption they're all bad.

 

[Tdoggy]

Some good ones

Its the bad ones that ruin it for the good ones. I have played at some really good RTG online casinos. But also have been stiffed and dealayed and waited for what seemed like forever to get paid by other RTG casinos. What can you do.

Later Tdoggy

 

[philipfromparis]

Pssssst! Ever heard of bonuses ... At least some rigged games are potentially beatable!

I would be very interested to know your recipe Vesuvio, either how you manage with bonuses, either how you beat rigged games ! Please tell us, I would be very gratefull for it !

Philipfromparis

 

[philipfromparis]

Make a livelihood? No. Make regular extra income? Yes!

It is always a nice bonus to have some extra cash at the end of the month!

For sure nobody would refuse extra cash when it's about making ends meet at the end of the month, but is this always the case for you KasinoKing ? If so, please tell us your secret, i would pay for it

Philipfromparis

 

[bpb]

For sure nobody would refuse extra cash when it's about making ends meet at the end of the month, but is this always the case for you KasinoKing ? If so, please tell us your secret, i would pay for it

Philipfromparis

The secret is understanding basic math, and accepting that the major software providers simply aren't rigged. Microgaming, RTG, and Playtech are giving a fair deal. If you can't accept that, there is no point in advantage play.

 

[philipfromparis]

The secret is understanding basic math, and accepting that the major software providers simply aren't rigged. Microgaming, RTG, and Playtech are giving a fair deal. If you can't accept that, there is no point in advantage play.

Sorry if i made myself badly understood, but I've never implied in previous posts that major software providers were giving unfair deals (okay...okay...I'm not quiet sure as far as online tables game are concerned ) I would have stopped gambling online for a moment if so !

However, I'm not quiet sure that fortune is linked with maths.

Philipfromparis

 

[Vesuvio]

The secret is understanding basic math, and accepting that the major software providers simply aren't rigged. Microgaming, RTG, and Playtech are giving a fair deal. If you can't accept that, there is no point in advantage play.

I don't accept it, but you definitely get the expected long term results whatever the short-term weirdness (well, perhaps with the exception of Playtech BJ & Chartwell everything).

Philip - there's no secret to making money with bonuses. e.g. make a $100 deposit for a $100 bonus with a 2000 wr. If you play BJ it has a house edge of around 0.40%, so an expected loss of $8 over the wr, or a $92 profit. If you do it once anything could happen, but repeat that a hundred times and you'll likely to hit something like the expected $9200 (the chance, e.g., of not making a profit would be astronomically small).

There are lots of tricks, different games & techniques, but really all it boils down to is playing when the odds are in your favour (+ some patience & discipline). If you do that you'll make money - the casinos have been proving it for centuries

 

[Tdoggy]

Another disadvantage with online casinos

If your a black jack player and can count cards you can't do that online. Especially people who have a "photo graphic" memory and use that to their advantage while playing black jack.


Stu Ungar comes to mind. Seen the movie and researched him and he had a photo graphic memory for sure. He was one of the best.

Later Tdoggy

 

[Sodax77]

Casinos..... Online Casinos can goto hell. I am deleting everything that has anything to do with online gambling from my computer. For all those who manage to hit nicely. Great I left more money for you to grab. I am GONE!!!!

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[KasinoKing]

For sure nobody would refuse extra cash when it's about making ends meet at the end of the month, but is this always the case for you KasinoKing ? If so, please tell us your secret, i would pay for it
Philipfromparis

It's funny you should say that. I remember a few years ago when I thought about actually trying to sell my method.
But can you imagine reading an ad that said 'Buy this system and earn 150-200 per month'. No-body would go for it, because even I admit it sounds too good to be true! And what price to ask for such a system? It could not be cheap.
Do I always win? No. But I've only lost money in 3 of the last 40 months.

I expect my system is similar to vesuvio's, but his is probably more profitable, because it sounds like he successfully plays a lot of Blackjack. I can't stand the game as it always seems to take the piss wherever and whenever I play it.
Whatever you do, good luck to you.

 

[philipfromparis]

...
Philip - there's no secret to making money with bonuses. e.g. make a $100 deposit for a $100 bonus with a 2000 wr. If you play BJ it has a house edge of around 0.40%, so an expected loss of $8 over the wr, or a $92 profit. If you do it once anything could happen, but repeat that a hundred times and you'll likely to hit something like the expected $9200 (the chance, e.g., of not making a profit would be astronomically small).

There are lots of tricks, different games & techniques, but really all it boils down to is playing when the odds are in your favour (+ some patience & discipline). If you do that you'll make money - the casinos have been proving it for centuries

Thanks Vesuvio for the tip, I'll try it ! And you can count on me to tell you how it works for me !

It's funny you should say that. I remember a few years ago when I thought about actually trying to sell my method.
But can you imagine reading an ad that said 'Buy this system and earn 150-200 per month'. No-body would go for it, because even I admit it sounds too good to be true! And what price to ask for such a system? It could not be cheap.
Do I always win? No. But I've only lost money in 3 of the last 40 months.

I expect my system is similar to vesuvio's, but his is probably more profitable, because it sounds like he successfully plays a lot of Blackjack. I can't stand the game as it always seems to take the piss wherever and whenever I play it.
Whatever you do, good luck to you.

If you make me a "friend price" for your method, I would send you the money from my neteller account to yours Thank you anyway for you kind advises !

Philipfromparis

 

[Lord_Have_Mercy]

I can't believe some of you are in such denial about the fairness of the gaming industry. They care nothing about taking your money, by hook or by crook. It like saying hey lets go eat fast food everynight. Those places are 100% safe because of the USDA ratings. Then you wonder why you have cancer later on. Its a computer that generators its own 0s and 1s. Its not real?! Produced imagines. The software creates what its has been program to do. Even via A.I. programming. If its truly random why doesn't Playtech BJ plays like RTG BJ? Its all has it fine tuning and touches. This subject is like talking to addictives. Everything is fine as long as you can get your fix. And fixed is what it is!? You can stick to depositing your hard earn money into a virtue world of 0s and 1s that doesn't exist. I rather learn my lesson that fire burns and not stick my hands back in it. It's like having a $100,000 in cash and a $1Million credit line. The $1million credit doesn't exist. But was created with by a computer with 0s and 1s. But if I accept this credit I have to produce a "REAL" Million dollars to pay it back. Even though I never had a million dollars and the million dollar never existed. I even have to pay fees on this created million dollar if I miss a payment. Boy I tell you Computers are something else.