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I can't believe people exactly play online

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by Lord_Have_Mercy, Apr 29, 2005.

    Apr 29, 2005
  1. Lord_Have_Mercy

    Lord_Have_Mercy Quit Gambling

    Location:
    Parts, Unknown
    I can't believe people actually play online

    Casinos. I tried $1100 and lost my A$$ off at Playtech and RTG. I offically quit and closed my Neteller account. You can say its just bad luck. You can say its not rigged. I QUIT!!! Everytime I bet $50+, Dealer pulls out 20 and 21s like its mad. And I supposed to sit here and accept it when the dealers pulls 21 when I got 20 and 19 on two handed $120 bets. Online Casinos can goto hell. I am deleting everything that has anything to do with online gambling from my computer. For all those who manage to hit nicely. Great I left more money for you to grab. I am GONE!!!!
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2005
  2. Apr 29, 2005
  3. DealerBusts

    DealerBusts Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    I understand your feeling completely because you're not the only one who has been burnt by Playtech BJ. I don't understand why Playtech don't clean up their game because they have some very reputable UK casinos using their software. Their reputation is at serious risk here.

    Its time someone came up with a 'Casino Bar' test on Playtech BJ and draw some solid conclusions.
     
  4. Apr 29, 2005
  5. Lord_Have_Mercy

    Lord_Have_Mercy Quit Gambling

    Location:
    Parts, Unknown
    Yes it was Playtech, Mapau at Sunny Group and Carnival Casino. I even had a section. Where I betted $100 on two hands. The first hand was 20 and the second was BJ. The dealer showed an Ace and then BJ. Even one section (5) 9 cards came out in a row.

    I have closed my Neteller account. And started back trading Stocks. I QUIT ONLINE GAMING!
     
  6. Apr 29, 2005
  7. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    It'd be interesting to see your play logs if you're interested....just to see this bad streak :( Sorry for you having this experience
     
  8. Apr 29, 2005
  9. Mugwump

    Mugwump Dormant account

    Location:
    Oho
    What I'd really like to see is an audit company that actually audits individual game results, and not just payback percentages. They should be able to take samples of hands meeting certain criteria and check to see if they meet reasonable ranges:

    Some BJ criteria would be: 11 vs 6 showing, doubles, splits, 16 vs 10 showing, wins when a bet is > than 2x average bet for session, etc...

    I think a proper audit methodology here would do much to benefit consumer confidence in the industry, allowing the casinos to make even more money.
     
  10. Apr 30, 2005
  11. Johnny Empire

    Johnny Empire Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Accounting
    Location:
    Yorba Linda, Home of Nixon
    Can I take your bonus offers then? Carnival and Club Dice banned me for taking too much of their cash... :)

    (Yes, I'm kidding about taking the offers, but Playtech BJ Switch is fair. A 20-bet run is nothing.)
     
  12. Apr 30, 2005
  13. philipfromparis

    philipfromparis Dormant account

    Location:
    Paris, France
    Lucky one day, unlucky another, that's the way it is !

    But one thing we should all remind when playing online is that you're beting against the house ! The chance to win on table games when playing online are not equivalent to the chance you've got to win when playing in based land casinos, and that is something you can be sure of !

    Your experience prooved it, but a lot of player's experience would have prooven it having read different posts in CM forum or others before ! All is about entertainment when playing online, and it would be a crazy behaviour to believe people who tell here and there that it is a good way to earn a livehood !

    Of course it is very attractive to see all winners' screenshots in this place, but ask to the people who post there how much they spend to have the privilege to post there (notwithstanding the ones who post after having played in free mode).

    Definitely i would say that as long as you play what you can without throwing away what you need to pay your invoices, go on ! But please, don't even think that gambling online would allow you to have a better life. And if the games you like to play are table games, prefer the old method which consist in sitting on a seat and waiting for the cards the real man you've got in front of you is going to give you :) !

    Philipfromparis
     
  14. Apr 30, 2005
  15. Mugwump

    Mugwump Dormant account

    Location:
    Oho
    Aside from the inability to count cards due to the new deck every deal, there should be NO difference in percentages on casino vs house games. If there is a difference, then that would mean there is no difference between playing bj or slots online.

    I'm not denying that some software seems to have luckier dealers than others. If this is true, however, there is no reason why players should be expected to accept it, without a disclaimer appearing in the casino's rules on the games that are manipulated.
     
  16. Apr 30, 2005
  17. philipfromparis

    philipfromparis Dormant account

    Location:
    Paris, France
    That would be the solution of course but i'm not sure Mugwump we gonna see this wheresoever :) But it totally agree with you in the fact that it is not to the player to assume the risk of beeing crooked by any online casino ! It seems that in some kind of businnesses, regulation has a future :)
     
  18. Apr 30, 2005
  19. vedat

    vedat Dormant account

    Location:
    TURKEY
    casinos online and real same

    you can get lucky on real casino and win lots of money or it goes downhill.but on online casino you can win same amount but with less money its better there times i lost 2k- 3k online but there are times i won 5k from 100$ deposit it happens i saw it i know it there are lots of good casinos out there would suggest all new players to play at 888 and crytologic casinos becouse when you win they pay you with out any problems .(sorry for my english) ;)
     
  20. Apr 30, 2005
  21. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    Pssssst! Ever heard of bonuses ;)

    p.s. I'm with you on the fairness of on-line table games, but you could argue it's crazier to play on fair games as then you're guaranteed to lose long term. At least some rigged games are potentially beatable!
     
  22. Apr 30, 2005
  23. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Make a livelihood? No. Make regular extra income? Yes!

    It is always a nice bonus to have some extra cash at the end of the month! :cool:
     
  24. Apr 30, 2005
  25. Tdoggy

    Tdoggy Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    DRIVER
    Location:
    USA
    The Big Difference

    The Biggest difference between online casinos and casinos that you actually go to and sit at a table and play is that with online casinos you never know if you are going to get paid!!! :confused:

    Walk in a casino and sit at a table and win and you get paid right there!!!

    This is a huge difference.....

    I have played at many online casinos and I am always worried that a casino might stiff. Especially a RTG casino. :eek:

    Later Tdoggy :thumbsup:
     
  26. Apr 30, 2005
  27. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    There are good RTG's out there, I wish people would quit grouping them all together and making the assumption they're all bad. :eek2:
     
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  28. Apr 30, 2005
  29. Tdoggy

    Tdoggy Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    DRIVER
    Location:
    USA
    Some good ones

    Its the bad ones that ruin it for the good ones. I have played at some really good RTG online casinos. But also have been stiffed and dealayed and waited for what seemed like forever to get paid by other RTG casinos. What can you do.

    Later Tdoggy :thumbsup:
     
  30. May 1, 2005
  31. philipfromparis

    philipfromparis Dormant account

    Location:
    Paris, France
    I would be very interested to know your recipe Vesuvio, either how you manage with bonuses, either how you beat rigged games ! Please tell us, I would be very gratefull for it ! :D

    Philipfromparis
     
  32. May 1, 2005
  33. philipfromparis

    philipfromparis Dormant account

    Location:
    Paris, France
    For sure nobody would refuse extra cash when it's about making ends meet at the end of the month, but is this always the case for you KasinoKing :) ? If so, please tell us your secret, i would pay for it :)

    Philipfromparis
     
  34. May 1, 2005
  35. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

    Location:
    Haverhill
    The secret is understanding basic math, and accepting that the major software providers simply aren't rigged. Microgaming, RTG, and Playtech are giving a fair deal. If you can't accept that, there is no point in advantage play.
     
  36. May 1, 2005
  37. philipfromparis

    philipfromparis Dormant account

    Location:
    Paris, France
    Sorry if i made myself badly understood, but I've never implied in previous posts that major software providers were giving unfair deals (okay...okay...I'm not quiet sure as far as online tables game are concerned :D ) I would have stopped gambling online for a moment if so !

    However, I'm not quiet sure that fortune is linked with maths.

    Philipfromparis
     
  38. May 1, 2005
  39. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    I don't accept it, but you definitely get the expected long term results whatever the short-term weirdness (well, perhaps with the exception of Playtech BJ & Chartwell everything).

    Philip - there's no secret to making money with bonuses. e.g. make a $100 deposit for a $100 bonus with a 2000 wr. If you play BJ it has a house edge of around 0.40%, so an expected loss of $8 over the wr, or a $92 profit. If you do it once anything could happen, but repeat that a hundred times and you'll likely to hit something like the expected $9200 (the chance, e.g., of not making a profit would be astronomically small).

    There are lots of tricks, different games & techniques, but really all it boils down to is playing when the odds are in your favour (+ some patience & discipline). If you do that you'll make money - the casinos have been proving it for centuries :thumbsup:
     

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