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I believe that Club World runs their casino at the lowest RTP

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by takethemoney, Dec 1, 2011.

    Dec 1, 2011
  1. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

    Location:
    Washington
    I believe they run their slots at the 91.5% setting. (the lowest RTG offers) After several thousand dollars in deposits and very much play I asked for my logs. A nice person sent me back an email and informed me that I had "won" a 91.3% payout. I no longer needed logs. That info was enough for me. I'm not a big bettor there. I play mostly $1 per spin. The amount that was lost was staggering. I would never consider putting that amount into play, normally. My head is still reeling from this loss. It went on and on, no matter what I played, almost like a decided outcome, but I will stop short of what I really wanted to say, except to say I would not repeat it, never in a lifetime! $6000 gone in 3 days of play. They get my vote........
     
  2. Dec 1, 2011
  3. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    Original thread title changed to be something more to the point. Sorry for any inconvenience.
     
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  4. Dec 1, 2011
  5. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Actually, 91%+ actual personal RTP over three days ain't bad at all. It would be very much within expectation if the slots were set at 95% or even 97%. Considering the RJs account for 1.5-2.0% of RTP, achieving 91.3% without a RJ hit is completely normal.

    I know it sucks to lose, but given your recent run of random Jackpots I'm sure you know that the pendulum swings both ways.
     
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  6. Dec 1, 2011
  7. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Never repeating that sounds like a wise choice.
    I really don't know what else to say. As much as I have my own opinion about ... not only World Club ... but RTG as a whole, putting 6 grand in ANY casino in 3 days, is at the end of the day a personal choice, and you could easily have lost that amount in any other casino, had you chosen to.
    Gambling is not only about knowing when to stop when you're up, but at least as much about knowing when to stop, when you're down.
     
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  8. Dec 1, 2011
  9. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Guys, I hear what you all are saying. Losing sucks and we all have been there. Reality will always be there to knock us on the head the next morning for sure. Sure feels like the right thing to do when we are doing it, right? I really wish those of us in the USA had the kinds of games the rest of the world enjoys. ;)
     
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  10. Dec 1, 2011
  11. plasticnote

    plasticnote Senior Member

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    91+% on RTG is not the worst RTP at all as there are RJs (1.5%)
    However, after so many theory out there about RTG 's settings, I quit playing it for few months.

    I will not blaming CWC rather I would blame RTG for it.
    The main reason I think you feel bad is that you believe you are not getting a fair run on your money.


    So quit playing RTG might be a good choice. Sorry for US players, you do not have much choices on platforms.

    Just my 2 cents
     
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  12. Dec 1, 2011
  13. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    It's 95% but if you want evidence, I can't provide it :D

    PS. Bear in mind that random jackpots might typically be around 3% of that (based on the assumption that WMS ones are set to 2.99% and that is about normal) so in essence it will be closer to 91.5% than 95% without hitting a JP.
     
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  14. Dec 1, 2011
  15. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    I concur. Thanks for the reminder and helping bring it back to real.
     
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  16. Dec 1, 2011
  17. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    If I remember correctly, the 91.5% is only for their kiosks.
     
  18. Dec 1, 2011
  19. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Hope so! Now, what's a kiosk? We have those in our mall and they sell cheap shit for way too much money! :eek:
     
  20. Dec 1, 2011
  21. ksb11

    ksb11 Senior Member

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    I know that's right! I was just reading the Rival Thread, and I was thinking, man, if I could play, Microgaming, more Playtech, WagerLogic, ect., I wouldn' even be sweat'n RTG, or any other brand for that matter!
     
  22. Dec 1, 2011
  23. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    It was meant to be, but the "double pear" incident put paid to us blindly accepting that operators would never use this setting online. Dogboy flatly refused to say which setting was the double pear one, further fuelling suspicions that it was the 91.5% variant, and not the kind of information RTG was prepared to allow to be released to the playing public. It also appeard at a time of a general tightening of costs among casinos, making it seem unlikely to be the 97.5% setting.

    Club World have confirmed to a number of members here that they have always kept the "default" as supplied from RTG, which is 95%. The double pear never featured at CWC, which is evidence that they have not changed that particular setting at least.

    Unfortunately, RTG have created this problem of mistrust by having such an option in the first place, and it doesn't matter about any guidelines and policies for it's use, the fact that the function exists makes us feel there are situations where operators will use it. RTG were also very quick to remove the pages from it's own site that did nothing more than confirm "on record" that such settings existed, and their values. They may have been quick, but not quick enough:D the information is out there, and attempts to cover it up only make RTG look dodgy.
     
  24. Dec 1, 2011
  25. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    I play quite frequently at Club World and All Star Slots. Had some cashouts but overall play wasnt that bad. Without actually retrieving my logs I tend to believe the setting is 95%. No way will I be depositing $6K to test that though.:D
     
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  26. Dec 1, 2011
  27. shahran84

    shahran84 Non-Gambler

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    Hi there, what you said is completely true, I've won $17,000 alot last saturday. But since MONDAY and until today, I've been LOSING. The slots are not paying out. PayDirt! is the worst. I was from $800 and it drop to $0.00.
    I'm just lucky that I only deposited $50.00, but I deposit 4 sets of $50!! I feel like putting $1000 and play but since you told me this story, I better stick with $50 deposits! What has happenned to RTG slots?? It's very very BAD!
     
  28. Dec 1, 2011
  29. shahran84

    shahran84 Non-Gambler

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    But latest update, I just deposited $50 just moments ago, and played Raindance. I bet $19.00 per spin and got to $1500. Completed the wagering requirements and withdraw $1200. Get back all my loses this whole week. Phew.
     
  30. Dec 1, 2011
  31. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Again...I have my own opinion on RTG BUT... I do NOT understand, how you can complain about losing over a very short time, if you just WON 17 grand from the same place.
    You are still WAY up, and you still complain ? Do you think the casinos are moneytrees, that just hand out money to all the players, and not least....do you have ANY idea how many players had to lose their $50 deposit to pay your 17.000 win ? Maybe now it's someone elses turn to win, and your turn to lose. You really have to get real about gambling.
     
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  32. Dec 1, 2011
  33. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    And then on top of it, THAT ?
    Wow dude...you've had SOME luck, I dare say.
     
  34. Dec 1, 2011
  35. SlotsLover

    SlotsLover Senior Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred3 MM PABinit PABaccred

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    win it's skill (or luck), lose, they're cheating (or setting low RTP's)?


    Let me understand, the winning of 17k was somehow skill or good luck but the losing over a few days indicates that something is amiss? (sarcasm intended).
     
  36. Dec 1, 2011
  37. ksb11

    ksb11 Senior Member

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    That's kinda funny and so true. I would love to win half of that ($17000) and be fine losing 20 $50 deposits in a row!
     
  38. Dec 1, 2011
  39. bb28

    bb28 Meister Member

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    Maybe shahran84 is a newbie at slots and doesn't understand how incredibly lucky that 17k win was and he doesn't realize that it likely could be a once in a lifetime thing. However if he isn't a newbie, then........well. :D
     

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