I believe that all Rival casinos are one and the same!

qweenie

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Ok still new to all this and this is my second post. Need some insight from you all. I have previously stated my bad experience with Rival Casino Box24, and how they suspended my account after my deposit and stated that my phone number was invalid...which by the way is a magic jack internet phone and is valid, because I receive phone calls daily.

After the suspension I called my bank and did a stop payment on my echeck, now I have a chargeback and before you guys condemn me. If you were new and just made a payment and went to log in and was blocked you may have done the same thing. I do plan on making this right and will be doing a western union to pay for the chargeback, but will not play there again.

Which leads me to the question of whether all rivals are one and the same. I have accounts at slotstocash, paradise8 and supreme play but never played those and only played box24. After my problems with box24 I asked slotstocash how this would affect me, and was told that It would indeed affect me and until my account was in good standing with box24 I could not play with slotstocash. I chatted with someone from supreme play today and was told the same thing, I also chatted with paradise8 and was told the same thing. Here is a transcript of the conversation:

qweenie1: which is why I stopped the check
qweenie1: yes
qweenie1: that is correct
qweenie1: now look at my suspension
qweenie1: which is after my deposits
qweenie1: before I stopped payments
qweenie1: they suspended due to phone number invalid
qweenie1: problem
Xander: im uncertain what will happen to your paradise 8 account, it might have some influences on it also
qweenie1: that is what I wanted to know

qweenie1: so you guys are the same
qweenie1: I plan on making the payment via western union
qweenie1: as I don't trust them anymore
qweenie1: they said the reason the first suspended us was a phone issue and apolgized about it
qweenie1: but that was it little late
qweenie1: If you guys are related please close this account
qweenie1: As I do not like what has happened there. I plan on making payments to correct this
Xander: they are each individually owned and managed but they use the same software and service
You are not currently in a chat session

They ended my call! This was the third time I tried to get answers and was hung up on.

The exact same thing was said at supreme play and slotstocash.

I believe the casinos are the same. I still don't understand why they suspended my account after I had just made a deposit citing invalid phone number as the reason..

Anyways any clarification on this matter would help.
 

raj

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Xander: they are each individually owned and managed but they use the same software and service

That is pretty much the answer if you chargeback one it will affect the whole group.

Raj
 

qweenie

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Xander: they are each individually owned and managed but they use the same software and service

That is pretty much the answer if you chargeback one it will affect the whole group.

Raj

I would not have stopped payment if they did not suspend my account because of a phone number problem. But you are right with your answer here, I guess it is a whole group. I somehow talked with the same manager at both supreme play and box24.
 

vinylweatherman

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Even if you "make good" on this, you are STILL in danger of not getting paid.

This Is vegas confiscated $80K from a player with a similar account issue at one Rival, and even though it was "made good" to that casino's satisfaction, they STILL didn't pay.

There is a collective policy running at all Rivals, and even if the problem is at one of the 4 truly independent Rival casinos, the others will STILL consider it a "black mark" against you, and correcting the problem seems to have little effect.

The recently released 2010 awards has the details of this. Rival have won a few awards, none of them being the GOOD ones:(
 

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I would not have stopped payment if they did not suspend my account because of a phone number problem. But you are right with your answer here, I guess it is a whole group. I somehow talked with the same manager at both supreme play and box24.


Why would they have the same manager? Isn't Supreme Play rogued and Box24 somewhat accredited? What do they have to do with the other?
 

raj

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I would not have stopped payment if they did not suspend my account because of a phone number problem. But you are right with your answer here, I guess it is a whole group. I somehow talked with the same manager at both supreme play and box24.

I can understand your frustrations with the casino and your phone number issue, but really regardless of the behaviour/reputation/actions of a casino, or indeed any company taking payment by card I still think "doing a chargeback" should only ever be used as a last resort in a dispute after all other avenues of resolution have been exausted.

That might come accross as unsypathetic to your current sitaution, but NO business gaming or none gaming like their customers doing a chargeback (regardless of whether you offer to reimburse)and most will not hesitate to cease to do business with you again if you ever do one.

Raj
 

raj

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Why would they have the same manager? Isn't Supreme Play rogued and Box24 somewhat accredited? What do they have to do with the other?

Not sure about Rival , but its not uncommon in the world of white labels for customer support to be provided centrally. thus you will appear to be talking to the casino you play at but are in fact talking to someone handling customer sevices for dozens of differently branded and owned casinos.
Hope this makes sense.

Raj
 

qweenie

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I can understand your frustrations with the casino and your phone number issue, but really regardless of the behaviour/reputation/actions of a casino, or indeed any company taking payment by card I still think "doing a chargeback" should only ever be used as a last resort in a dispute after all other avenues of resolution have been exausted.

That might come accross as unsypathetic to your current sitaution, but NO business gaming or none gaming like their customers doing a chargeback (regardless of whether you offer to reimburse)and most will not hesitate to cease to do business with you again if you ever do one.

Raj

Agree with you, and I only did this after I was blocked after a payment.
 

all4greed

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Regardless of repaying the chargeback, the mark is against you permanently with the Rival group. It might come back to bite you if you have a withdrawal down the road.

At this point, just stay away from Rival anything.
 

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Not sure about Rival , but its not uncommon in the world of white labels for customer support to be provided centrally. thus you will appear to be talking to the casino you play at but are in fact talking to someone handling customer sevices for dozens of differently branded and owned casinos.
Hope this makes sense.

Raj
This is correct.
All the Rivals (or groups) do have their own owners & managers, but virtually all of them use the same centralised support - so if you use Live Chat or Phone you can end up speaking to the same person.

It is also true they ALL share a global data-base of player info, and if you get "black-flagged" at any one of them it is extremely likely to effect your accounts at them all.
In a way this is a very good thing because it reduces the impact of fraudsters and scammers across the brand, but it does also sometimes effect "innocent" players as well, which is very unfortunate.

KK
 

Diane

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How do you determine which Rival Casinos are "white" and which are "black"?

I believe I have it correct that the "white" ones are held in poor regard?

Confused.........(obviously)

Diane
 

raj

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How do you determine which Rival Casinos are "white" and which are "black"?

I believe I have it correct that the "white" ones are held in poor regard?

Confused.........(obviously)

Diane

Personally I would steer clear of all Rivals, thats just my own choice. What attracts you there?? Do they have particular games you like or are their bonuses attractive....sorry for being nosey just curious in why a player choose particular sites as I am about to launch an online bingo site on behalf of a large UK company with a good reputation and plenty of financial backing.

I beleive most Rival casinos are white labels......to make it clear what one is, basically anyone can goto these white label companies and say they wish to launch a casino...the software provider, in this case "Rival" may or may not require very little proof of financial backing or industry experience, and will for a relatively small fee supply an off the shelf casino product with your name and design on it. All customer support and management for white labels would usually be organised by the software provider, the owner is in many cases nothing more than a glorified affiliate who wants the Kudos of owning their "own" casino.

A non white label casino is more of a "real company" and would handle its own support, marketing , management and risk and carry its own licence.

Casinomeister lists here how to tell if your chosen Rival is a white label.

https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/


Hope this helps

Raj
 
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Diane

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Personally I would steer clear of all Rivals, thats just my own choice. What attracts you there?? Do they have particular games you like or are their bonuses attractive....sorry for being nosey just curious in why a player choose particular sites as I am about to launch an online bingo site on behalf of a large UK company with a good reputation and plenty of financial backing.

Raj

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Why ? I don't view your question as being nosey --- For me it was finding more alternatives to the heavy dose of RTG casinos I had been playing. I liked "Cleopatra's Coins, "Pigskin" and a handful of others that I did very well playing. The bonuses were nice, but it was more the games choice for me and the fact that I had happened to do well.

Diane

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De Beuker

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Rivals that are NOT white labels are:

Sloto Cash
Black Diamond
Box24
Spartan Slots

All the others are white labels.

Not all the whitelabels are evil, altough the majority here chooses to believe so, I do play at Vegas Regal and never had a problem there, and I don't know anyone who ever did.
I still find it a bit unfair to put VRC on the same level as This is Vegas and Supreme Play etc.
 

jod5413

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Hey Diane.

The white label Rival's are pretty unstable financially. Some folks play them and have no problem. Others have had major problems with them. The white labels are on the rogue list.

I think that the stand alone Rivals are still pretty safe to play at (if any casinos are "steady" for US players).

I play at Slotocash and have experienced no problems. If Bryan rogued them I would listen and not play.
 
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Diane

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Hey Diane.

The white label Rival's are pretty unstable financially. Some folks play them and have no problem. Others have had major problems with them. The white labels are on the rogue list.

I think that the stand alone Rivals are still pretty safe to play at (if any casinos are "steady" for US players.

I play at Slotocash and have experienced no problems. If Bryan rogued them I would listen and not play.

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Jod,
Thanks to you and the others who replied. It is sooooooo hard to keep up with who to stay away from. I did very well at Slots Oasis but now can't go back until the financial issues clear up.... so scratch that one off the list. I guess as others have said, for us in the US you keep trying to figure out what will work covering all bases;

fun games with some variety beyond RTG
timely cashouts
easy ways to deposit without having to give up your first born child
decent bonuses

We chase Nirvana and then complain when it isn't there.

Diane
 

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The white label Rival's are pretty unstable financially.
Some folks play them and have no problem. Others have had major problems with them.
The white labels are on the rogue list.
How do you know all Rival White Labels are "pretty unstable financially"?
I think you're wrong there. Some are - yes, without a doubt, but not ALL of them.
The White Labels are NOT on the rogue list - they are on the Not Recommended list. These are two different "classes" of casinos - that's why there are two different lists.
Once again, I agree the majority of them do belong on the Not Recommended list, but also there are some very good casinos who have just got dragged in there by association, not on merit.

KK
 

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How do you know all Rival White Labels are "pretty unstable financially"?
I think you're wrong there. Some are - yes, without a doubt, but not ALL of them.
The White Labels are NOT on the rogue list - they are on the Not Recommended list. These are two different "classes" of casinos - that's why there are two different lists.
Once again, I agree the majority of them do belong on the Not Recommended list, but also there are some very good casinos who have just got dragged in there by association, not on merit.

KK

I'm interested in your take on the difference KK.

The way I see it, the NR list means "Play at your own risk" and the Rogue list means "Don't play under any circumstances".

Either way, they are there for a reason and players who really care about where they deposit will avoid the casinos listed on both of them.

There may be a select few who are OK, but they are the exception to the rule....and given the continual downward trend of Rival over the past 2 years I wouldn't be betting the house on any of them lasting the distance.

I say all of this with a degree of sadness - I used to spend a LOT of money at Rival casinos but they haven't seen a penny from me for a very long time.
 

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I feel like there are two separate issues at play here, and they are mutally exclusive of each other. The first issue is that of mere fact, and the second issue is one of contract.

Of these two issues, the first is that Rivals suck, and, now more than ever, they are riskier than playing frisbee in traffic on a windy day. That being said, if you make a deposit and play it, I think that is a breach of contract. Moreover, I think that contract breach by one does not constitute contract escape by the other. The second issue is that a player enters into a contract with the casino and a chargeback is a violation of that contract. And its not acceptable in my opinion except for very rare circumstances like, for example, if the casino were to charge ur card without ur consent...

But, these opinions above should be taken with a grain of salt. I am over the 6k mark in losses this year, so by all means, don't listen to me, I am a complete moron.
 

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Why anyone in their right mind, would even THINK about playing at a Rival casino again, after doing a chargeback, and after reading THIS :

Worst Casino of 2010
Each and every year, there is a clamoring and clawing up the sleaze pole by spirited casino operators intent on achieving one of the most profound awards of the gaming industry. Alas, there is only one "worst" casino - and only one award.

Powered by Rival software, This is Vegas is by far the Worst Casino of 2010. They decided not to pay a player $83,000 because they "thought" he might charge back his deposits. Stating that they suspected him of working in tandem with a blacklisted affiliate, they chose not to pay this player, even though he did nothing wrong.

It was just plain "fear" of paying a player - and this action was condoned and supported by the software provider.

It's quite sad really when companies that claim to be casinos are nothing more than websites that have casino software that sucks up players' money and spits them out. What can players do about it? Absolutely nothing.


Is beyond me.....
 

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