HTML 5 netent games have changed

Tirilej

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Also the Caddell group of casinos used to have DOA listed as 20% contribution, then restricted it completely, and have since reinstated it at 20%

Betat and SlottyVegas used to have DOA listed as 50% contribution, then restricted it completely, and have since reinstated it at 50% (except the SUB)

The only reason for them allowing it again now is probably because they got less customers when having it totally restricted. It doesn't saying anything about it having a different variance. I'm also sure that someone who works at a casino would have heard about it to make a decision based on it, but so far nothing.

Also remember that many many casinos didn't have it restricted before either but still managed to survive.
 

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I think the reason for giving freespins on doa for some casinos will be, that it is available on mobile since html5 and they reach more players now...
 

Jono777

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I didn't know that the game had been un-banned anywhere, so please tell me which casinos allow it now that didn't before?

Can I also say this.

I am in no way saying that casinos have removed this slot from being restricted with bonus funds. Unless you can all prove and list all casinos that did remove this slot from restricted and give proof from before and afterwards then i would believe that point.

Furthermore, perceiving that they now give free spins on this slot is also just that a perception. I can easily tell you that casinos have gave spins on DoA way before they switched it to html5 version. (maybe but very rarely)

So again i reiterate my earlier post. Cognitive Distortions are again at play in perceptions people make, and also agreeing to others who are also perceiving and speculating based on their believes. Without proof it is all just cognitive perceptions.

With respect to you both, I really cannot be bothered.

I know what I see, I have been playing 14 years so have the experience in general to be pretty confident I am not talking out of my arse on this one!

Whilst I have no proof (which I've admitted several times) of change. IMPO it has changed.

Let me ask those who doubt me this, whilst several shout "Where is your proof it has changed" I will retort with "Where is your proof that it hasn't?"

I'll leave this thread now as I pretty much feel like I'm banging my head up against a brick wall and getting nowhere.

I have not been trying to convince each, every and all that its dodgy, simply after the answer to some questions raised by actions and situations surrounding this slot since its 'update'

Have a good day to all :thumbsup:
 

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They havent changed, are you unaware that people on this forum say that netent has its own variance. Apart from the odd freak hits you see of ####x stake, the games have always been horrific playing and money eating beasts. I can say that providers like PlaynGO and especially MG, I can make a deposit and alot of the time im getting several features which pay hundreds times stake and can make fairly decent withdrawals quickly.

With netent that never happens, its either 99% of the time lose it all or 0.1% of the time hit a 2000x win. Its rare that I make a deposit and stick to netent games and manage to get a nice 400x feature on one slot, change it get a 200x followed quickly by a 100x but on other providers, that happens time to time and 5 times last year I withdrew over 5 figures, not once was that due to a netent game.

I probably play netent games the most but in the past month I had a 3000x hit (BTG), and a 700 x hit on high stakes on a WMS, and 2 1000x hits on PlaynGo. And the month before I had a £7000 withdrawal from a £20 deposit, and the only netent games I played took large amounts of money off of me. All netent has done is eat whatever I throw at it and if im lucky I get a 100x feature back, usually its like a 10x feature. A big problem is netents quickspin, or as annoying streamers now call it "powerspins" (like why?!) which can see a balance of £1000 go down extremely quick even at smaller stakes.
 

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I haven't had much experience playing DOA on the old version, but after reading so much about it I started to play it, which unfortunately co-incided with the transfer to HTML 5.

All I can say is that in my opinion it is a very poor slot, particularly when you in the feature, which in itself is infrequent. For example the last 4 features I hit on a £2.70 bets paid less than 1x if you discount the win for triggering. If the sticky wilds appear at all it's usually on the last 1 or 2 reels.

From what people say, historically it was much better, but I'll be giving this slot a miss for a while at least.

Chris
 

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With respect to you both, I really cannot be bothered.

I know what I see, I have been playing 14 years so have the experience in general to be pretty confident I am not talking out of my arse on this one!

Whilst I have no proof (which I've admitted several times) of change. IMPO it has changed.

Let me ask those who doubt me this, whilst several shout "Where is your proof it has changed" I will retort with "Where is your proof that it hasn't?"

I'll leave this thread now as I pretty much feel like I'm banging my head up against a brick wall and getting nowhere.

I have not been trying to convince each, every and all that its dodgy, simply after the answer to some questions raised by actions and situations surrounding this slot since its 'update'

Have a good day to all :thumbsup:

The proof it hasn't is in the economic viability of changing it.

Firstly when converting to HTML5 they would not need to get the games recertified if they hadn't changed any critical files. These are files to do with game logic (maths) which are independent of the UI. Therefore there would be a huge cost to changing the games to HTML5 from a regulatory point of view.

Secondly, why would you risk changing games like Twin Spin and DOA which already have a big following of loyal fans. It would be business suicide if you got the new maths wrong and really wouldn't be worth it... These games aren't going to be promoted as new again so aren't going to get a whole heap of new players so therefore you are likely to lose existing players and yet not get any new ones.

There is simply no point at all in changing the maths on any existing game...

I'm not saying I know for definite but I know the companies I've worked at that have made the transition have never changed the maths...

If the game was poor we just didn't convert it!
 

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I'll pop a little "salt n vinegar" on this discussion just cos that's what I'm like :p

Question regarding "to Tamper or not to Tamper"

Why after all these years and all these tight restrictions, 'Do NOT pass Go' etc etc have a LOT of casinos relaxed their DOA Restrictions (usually regarding bonus play), Hell some are even awarding free spins on DOA, something we'd NEVER see.

Only my opinion but they'd (the casinos) not implement this if the 'risk' were greatly reduced, IE: much less potential for those freaky/lucky quick big hits.

Maybe the RTP is identical but partially as has been suggested the variance is not.

As I say just my opinion / An Idea!

This is more likely to be down to the investigation that is taking place as to whether online casinos are violating consumer protection laws by "not treating players fairly" through having all these complexities in the smallprint, like "can't play xxxx with a bonus" even though the headline advertising often says something like "slots bonus", leading players to expect that they can play slots with it, and DOA is a slot.

Even the fact that there is a WR is being looked into, although this shows how little the regulators understand the industry because without a WR, there could be no bonuses offered without the casinos going bust.
 

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This is more likely to be down to the investigation that is taking place as to whether online casinos are violating consumer protection laws by "not treating players fairly" through having all these complexities in the smallprint, like "can't play xxxx with a bonus" even though the headline advertising often says something like "slots bonus", leading players to expect that they can play slots with it, and DOA is a slot.

Even the fact that there is a WR is being looked into, although this shows how little the regulators understand the industry because without a WR, there could be no bonuses offered without the casinos going bust.

Sadly terms and conditions can be a cover-all for all sorts of dodgy-yet-not-illegal stuff....
 

Deeplay

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Let me again give you all my 2 cents :)

So as I said in a different thread, I am not being condescending when I say this. But in all honesty again this thread is finding fault with slots just because there was a visual change, so again this is what gamblers do, we look for faults in something that there isn't a fault with. We have all been there.

The words that describe these thoughts are Cognitive Distortions.

And bring on HTML5 versions of slots. As a web developer myself. I know html5 is awesome.
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Totally agree!! And the possibilitys of what can be done with HT5 is brilliant. I loved messing with flash back in the day , remember working with Adobe Flash years back ... thinking it was the dogs nuts ... but things change and evolve and now its redundant as will html 5 be in years to come to be superseded by something even better ... that's progress love it or hate it !
 

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Totally agree!! And the possibilitys of what can be done with HT5 is brilliant. I loved messing with flash back in the day , remember working with Adobe Flash years back ... thinking it was the dogs nuts ... but things change and evolve and now its redundant as will html 5 be in years to come to be superseded by something even better ... that's progress love it or hate it !

yep indeed, I agree :)
 
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