HR 4411 overwhelmingly passed...

craig_AA

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name calling?

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So now you resort to name calling. I suggest you watch that. Stupid? Stupid is thinking hardships cant be created by horse racing, lotteries and brick and mortar casinos, the only of which cant be purchased 24/7 is racing.

Well from that i can only ascertain your really not of the knowledge that in the UK you can self exclude yourself from EVERY casino within 24 hrs online you can go from casino to casino without moving out the house ..i also think using lotteries as a way of hardship is extreme i doubt many people spend a lot on lotteries..and yes horse racing is another outlet for gambling but you can EASILY self exclude yourself from betting shops in your area within 2 mins ..if these options are not availablein your area/country then its a good thing the government is stepping in..

And while on a roll lets look at online gaming ..i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming another good reason for the government to step in ..once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online and your only picking out the bits you want...i guarantee too many people have too much to lose to oppose online gaming to be regulated thats a cert..and well in conclusion online gaming esp in AMERICA your numbers up and better get practising yahoo pool ...lmao
 

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horse racing they are all regulated very well here in the UK and unlike online gaming NOT available 24/7
I beg to differ with you but they now offer Hong Kong wagering and England wagering and others in a different timezones online ( I am on est and I can play the horses till morning if I wanted) that are run by a very well known establishment LADBROKES! So you are way off base on this also...

i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming
Who cares what YOU think...I don't sleep with you, eat your food, you don't clothe me...so get a grip... I use my OWN hard earned money to please ME....Not your money...geezes, are you for real?

once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online
Yup, and if I get bit by one once, shame on me, get bit twice...shame on you...and it's still MY money....

i have many cases where the internet has caused many people massive problems in there lives.
Are you thier watchdog/father confessor/what? You must have been burned really bad to be so up in arms about being "protected" for you must need a little help in your own self control?
EASILY self exclude yourself
You can do this on MOST sites that are reliable casinos.
 

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craig_AA said:
And while on a roll lets look at online gaming ..i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming another good reason for the government to step in ..once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online and your only picking out the bits you want...i guarantee too many people have too much to lose to oppose online gaming to be regulated thats a cert..and well in conclusion online gaming esp in AMERICA your numbers up and better get practising yahoo pool ...lmao

I have no problem with the U.S. government regulating online casinos and providing some type of dispute resolution.

I DO have a problem with them telling me whether I can or cannot gamble online, which is what the House bill does.

And your last sentence obviously shows you really don't care what happens in the U.S. ... a little Yank bias, maybe? :what:

P.S. And the Yank bias is proved by your snide little comment in the Eurobet thread ...

craig_AA said:
that is illegal for USA residents probably has something to do with it and why get into bother when they know its illegal...UK rules
 

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Well from that i can only ascertain your really not of the knowledge that in the UK...
Were not talking about the UK here, we are currently and have been talking about the US and US laws.

There is no way to self ‘exclude’ yourself from any casino here in America, the only way your not getting in the door of a US land based casino is if you are a ‘suspicious’ winner.

Obviously, you have no knowledge of the way things work here in the States. The laws here are very very very different from what you are used to in Europe and the UK.

i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming...
Again you don’t have any understanding or obvious knowledge of how things work here in the US, I’ll fill you in a little. The Native Casinos here in the states are about as ‘honest’ as the average online casino you would find doing a search in google...

Now if you want to talk about how much better the gambling laws are in the UK than in the US, I would have to agree.

A funny thing I just had to add:
I don’t live in Washington State I live in Neighboring State, but today while watching my local news, I saw a TV add for a Native Casino located in Washington State (they were advertising being open 24/7 and only being 45 minutes drive away...the add was targeted at residents of my state) Considering the draconian online gambling laws in Washington state I almost fell off my chair laughing at the irony and hypocrisy...
 
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Interesting new report just in from Reuters:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bill to ban Internet gambling is facing some opposition in the U.S. Senate and will not come up for a vote before the chamber takes its August recess, an aide to the U.S. Senate majority leader said on Thursday.

Backers of the legislation had hoped to push it through the Senate quickly this month following the arrest in the United States of David Carruthers, the chief executive of BETonSPORTS Plc, on charges of racketeering and conspiracy.

Carruthers is scheduled to appear at a hearing in U.S. district court in Fort Worth, Texas, on Friday to determine if he must remain in jail until his trial.

However, an aide to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said that lawmakers were still working on the bill and would not be able to hold a floor vote before the Senate recesses for its August vacation.

The Senate bill is virtually identical to legislation overwhelmingly approved earlier in July by the U.S. House of Representatives. It would prohibit most forms of Internet gambling and make it illegal for banks and credit card companies to make payments to online gambling sites.

The Republican-backed bill has been criticized by some as an election-year appeal to the party's conservative base.
 

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Craig_AA. Simple question:

A) Do you believe it is correct to ban everyone from making up their own mind on something because a minority cannot control themselves?

OR

B) Do you believe it is better to use a contribution from those who can control themselves to educate and help those who can't?


Actually I'd also be interested in whether you thought the collapse of the Berlin Wall was a good thing but I guess that can wait for a rainy day :D
 

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Here is a link to that Ruters report that jetset mentioned.
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Looks to me like the Bill is to be shelved till next year. Too many see the hypocrisy and the mid term election is only a few months away.
 

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Last two posts by the dissenting opinion (using that term loosely) made it clear it is someone that had an opinion, had it countered beyond a reasonable doubt and resorted to flaming.

So many good jokes to insert here, but i guess i will just go practis my spelling.
 

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lots0 said:
There is no way to self exclude yourself from any casino here in America, the only way your not getting in the door of a US land based casino is if you are a suspicious winner.
I beg to disagree.

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"Self Restriction/Self-Exclusion

Our "self-restriction" program allows a person to request not to receive direct marketing by Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties, as well as be denied credit and check cashing privileges. Our "self-exclusion" program allows a guest to request to have all privileges, including play privileges denied at all Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties. Forms to request self-restriction or self-exclusion are available at all Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties or by calling 1-800-694-9960."

There are statewide self-exclusion programmes in Illinois and Missouri.
 

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just a shame

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I beg to disagree.

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"Self Restriction/Self-Exclusion

Our "self-restriction" program allows a person to request not to receive direct marketing by Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties, as well as be denied credit and check cashing privileges. Our "self-exclusion" program allows a guest to request to have all privileges, including play privileges denied at all Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties. Forms to request self-restriction or self-exclusion are available at all Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties or by calling 1-800-694-9960."

There are statewide self-exclusion programmes in Illinois and Missouri.

not all gambling organisations have the same and maybe this whole episode might never have been brought about and online gaming might not have thestigma the rogue traders have earned it in the past year or so..if you look round the internet very few sites have self exclusion portals and from experience emails to support regarding self exclusion rarely work..
 

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The 'self exclusions' you list are a joke, you know that right?

If you walk into a Harrah's casino or any casino in Illinois and Missouri with cash no one is going to stop you from playing, unless security has your picture and the only way security is going to get your picture is if you are a ‘suspicious’ winner or trouble maker.

For the most part I have been talking about the Native Casinos scattered around the country, not so much the established and closley regulated casinos in Nevada and Atlantic City.

Don't get me wrong here, I would love to see accross the board self exclusion that is in fact enforced, I would also like to see some kind of federal standard for regulating casinos much like the Gaming Commision in Nevada. But I think you would have a better chance of winning the US Powerball lottery than seeing accross the board regulation of land based casinos in the US.
 

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craig_AA said:
..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment ...

This may be a little off , But my personal opinion is there are alot of online companys that have way to much freedom. The first one that comes to mind although they are getting better but they are the first ones that pop in my head.. Pay Pal ..All over the internet you can find where people are complaining how their funds are being held.

In fact in their policy it states your account can be closed for any reason they choose rather right or wrong. As Well as any funds remaining in your account can be held for 180 days and they do not have to give you a reason.

Is anyone here familiar with the pay rates for the military? Yet we have our people sent to diffrent countries to fight for our so called freedom.

And most of them make less than if you were working minimum wage for only 20 hours a week.

The ones who make more are still only making minimum wage for a 40 hour week.

Also if you are one of those that think the pay goes up as a service member gains a dependent you are wrong. You get married your pay will increase only by the amount of BAH alloted for your paygrade. You have a kid later your pay does not go up. Some may think this has absolutley nothing to do with the subject.

But ask yourself this, Don't you not think we should be spending more time on the more serious issues at hand.

For instances the men and women that are being sent to fight and some even die for our so called freedom. Or the drugs on the streets that are killing our children.

Here in Ca. theres a place I visited a few days ago called Skid Row. I came home and held my little girl for a hour straight. Literally there are little kids ranging in ages from little babies to 10 or 11 year olds. Now Ca. is said to be the richest state of the U.S so why is it #1 rated for the most homeless?

Some may say the reason is people are lazy and do not want to work, But thats just it. If I work a job and earn a paycheck and I am not living on welfare and uncle sam is not paying my bills. What business is it of his If I want to gamble online? He got his cut when he took out taxes from my check.

( No disrespect I have nothing against welfare or foodstamps for those who really need it, If you need it I'm all for it.)

We are adults and we as adults should be allowed to choose where to spend our money. Me personally i beleive if the goverment could find a way to tax it drugs would not be illegal eaither. And the only reason they are illegal is because its like moonshine to many people can make it without the goverment knowing. And I am sure alot of you will disagree with me on that, But I really think they would sell it on a shelf and you would have to be 21 to buy just like alcohol.

We been told we can not use our credit cards by at online casinos. Not sure about other places but here in Ca, The casinos have a machine for just credit card advances. Not a A.T.M but a little box they slide your card through and usually a land casino has its merchant account under the casino name so you can bet the credit card company will charge you a cash advance fee.

But we cannot use it online? Now who has to much authority?

Sorry if I offend anyone here . No disrespect intended. bottom line is I waited to turn 18 to do things then I waited to turn 21 now dammittt I'm grown.
 
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My 10 cents

If these bozos at the Senate keep looking in to this and if they ever get this bill to become a law 2 things I belive will happen that will harm the online gambler.

1) All of them will feel that their rights have been violated and that a decision was taken by a group of people not defending the US citizens, but their own interests.

2) Imagine football season. Ok, so now Online gambling is banned... So now you have 10000's of bookies around the country taking bets the old fashioned way...so... the $12 billion industry will be the same non-taxed business, but only that it won't be online. Bookies will go back to the streets, paying some times not paying some times and sending the huge gorillas to break some legs when some one doesn't pay his gambling debts

I believe online gambling is amazing, of course it has its defects as everything in this world. However if the gambler is educated, they will never have to be complaining on this site.

Plus.. all you guys, where are you going to post your complains, experiences and joys of gambling? when typing www.casinomeister.com will make appear on your screen something like : SORRY MORON, WE DON'T LIKE YOU GAMBLING BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE OUR CUT... PLEASE DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND AVOID THESE TYPE OF SITES... regards, The US Goverment. (Protecting the citizen from all sorts of evil activity)
 

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The Watchdog said:
Plus.. all you guys, where are you going to post your complains, experiences and joys of gambling? when typing www.casinomeister.com will make appear on your screen something like : SORRY MORON, WE DON'T LIKE YOU GAMBLING BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE OUR CUT... PLEASE DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND AVOID THESE TYPE OF SITES... regards, The US Goverment. (Protecting the citizen from all sorts of evil activity)

Casinomeister himself, in fact, did an April Fool's joke this year where he replaced the home page with an official-looking one warning people that this was an illegal gambling site or something.:eek: :what: His original joke page had his own wife crying (if I got the story right) but the toned-down one was scary enough. Some people took it seriously including me until I realized it was April 1st, about 5 seconds later.
 
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