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HR 4411 overwhelmingly passed...

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by dickens1298, Jul 12, 2006.

    Jul 12, 2006
  1. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    Location:
    LA, California
    This is one of the proposed legislation pieces against internet gambling. The margin was surprisingly high - 317-93.

    It is also interesting to note that the major sports organizations - MLB, NBA, NFL et al - have indicated their support of the legislation.
     
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  2. Jul 12, 2006
  3. tennis_balls

    tennis_balls Dormant account

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    Albuquerque, NM
    They clearly have underestimated how much of a drop in viewership they will suffer without online sportsbooks.
     
  4. Jul 12, 2006
  5. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    Location:
    LA, California
    Some commentators have also mentioned that the Senate's reception of this bill may be lukewarm at best, since many Senators feel that there are other issues that are more pressing.
     
  6. Jul 12, 2006
  7. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    We've been down this road before.

    It won't pass the senate.
     
  8. Jul 12, 2006
  9. pacers31

    pacers31 Banned Used - Repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Marketing Rep
    Location:
    Californication
    This sucks! These clowns need to wake up and take care of REAL BUSINESS!!

    Come senators, congressmen - Please heed the call
    Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall
    For he that gets hurt - Will be he who has stalled
    There's a battle outside - And it's ragin'
    It'll soon shake your windows - And rattle your walls
    For the times they are a changin'


    Come on November!!! Time to start over with congress
     
  10. Jul 12, 2006
  11. Darem1

    Darem1 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    I was an accountant in a previous life
    Location:
    Florida
    Right on, Pacers

    Right on. I was a big Dylan fan. But I wonder if the times have changed at all!
    Here we are, about 40 years later, and:

    We are still at war, same as Nam without the jungle, but with human bombs
    We still smoke
    We still drink
    We still do drugs
    We still have prejudice
    We still have crime
    We still have disease
    We still have poverty

    (when I say "we" I mean society as a whole, not any one single person)

    Perhaps there are more important issues than who plays a slot machine on a computer, don'tcha think?
     
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  12. Jul 13, 2006
  13. The Watchdog

    The Watchdog Dormant account

    Occupation:
    sports, poker, casinos
    Location:
    Costa Rica
    Of course

    Of course there are more important issues than following on whom is playing a slot machine

    But what more important than stoping their precious dollars leaving the country... Thats Uncle Sam's priority. If they don't take their cut, well then, lets focus on this for as many time is needed... The people starving and on the streets, baaahhhh, we'll take care of it once we make sure we are taking our cut of the deal.

    On the other side, they are going to piss off a lot of the happy online gamblers, which will lead to more problems for underground gambling and more non regulated wagers.

    .......my prediction: Damn this Football season Western Union is going to make some big bucks!!

    I would like to stand in front of every memeber of the US goverment and ask them: So, how have you taken the fact that you are going straight to hell?? and see their reactions and answers.
     
  14. Jul 15, 2006
  15. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    Location:
    LA, California
    Whoa, Watchdog. You may disagree with proposed legislation, but damning someone to hell because of it is a TAD overmuch.

    Aside from your verbal posturing and rhetoric, do you have any tangible means of opposing the bill - the very same one that will now be going before the Senate? And the very same one - by the way - that has the support of the major sports leagues.
     
  16. Jul 15, 2006
  17. paul02085

    paul02085 Senior Member

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    Fishing :)
    Location:
    USA
    Watchdog, you must be very young. LOL, but i do enjoy your outbursts (i mean opinions). :)
     
  18. Jul 16, 2006
  19. The Watchdog

    The Watchdog Dormant account

    Occupation:
    sports, poker, casinos
    Location:
    Costa Rica
    Hahaha

    Of course I oppose that bill.

    1) I eat, live, walk and sleep because of online gambling

    2) Regardless if it feeds me, the US goverment is just taking decisions to protect their interests and has nothing to do with protecting the consumer or player (Hipocrits)

    3) In a land so called the cradle of freedom, you are only allowed to use your money in what we "the goverment" approve. ahh and by the way, if we are not making money of you you using money.. .Sorry..no can do.

    4) The US plans on banning access to such nice websites like this one . So, on top of telling you what you can or can't do with your money, we believe some sites are not good for you, so you won't be able to see them. Ah, and always keep on mind you can end up in jail in Washington if you play a $1 single table tourney while having some coffee.

    5) I am just tired of those guys stucking their nose every where and brain washing all those poor americans with their politics
     
  20. Jul 20, 2006
  21. Buddy

    Buddy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    UK
    Regulation

    The online gaming industry needs to grab the bull by the horns and counter the anti-online gaming lobby. Lets face it, some of the main lobbyists against online gaming are the US land based casinos.

    As you can see from some of the rogue online casinos listed on this site, there are indeed some pretty dodgy outfits out there. There are also a number of excellent, publicly listed companies. It only takes one or two bad eggs to create a massive amount of negative publicity. (Kaplin and BetonSport take note)

    The major online gaming firms need to get together and really come up with some form of regulation. Yes, I know that there are a number of locations (Gibraltar, Costa Rica, Isle of Man etc) that are attempting to put this in place. However, in all circumstances these locations are doing what's bets for their country/locality. The gaming industry is a key part of their future economic and financial stability.

    In an ideal world it would be nice to see 1 independent regulartory body that accredits, regulates and punishes all online gaming companies. The major players seem to be getting together on other issues (You must register/login in order to see the link.) so why not take the sting out of the anti-lobbyist movement by proactively going for a decent independent regulartory system? :thumbsup:
     
  22. Jul 20, 2006
  23. craig_AA

    craig_AA Banned User

    Occupation:
    electrician
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    UK but work abroad
    Dont jump down my throat but is it not because of sites like this that internet gambling has such a bad repuation?? and if the government needs to police it then so be it because it can only drive out the majority of rogue traders..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment and when you have companies run by americans going outside the US but living in the US with profits then all you need to do is smell the coffee the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...
     
  24. Jul 20, 2006
  25. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Student
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Obviously, you've never heard of special interest groups that throw baleloads of money at politicians so they will support and push through legislation that is primarily designed to benefit only those groups.

    This bill could very well have come about with NO ONE "member of the public" complaining about it.
     
  26. Jul 20, 2006
  27. bossplayer

    bossplayer Dormant account

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    Location:
    Kansas
    You have got to be effing kidding me, wake up, this is about money, not human interest.
     
  28. Jul 20, 2006
  29. Tester

    Tester Quit Gambling

    Location:
    Israel
    what are the chances?

    what was the margin in previous years in the house of representatives? 317-93 as now? I am just afraid that now support for the bill is higher.

    I am still not sure what the bill says about Neteller? Anyone knows?

     
  30. Jul 20, 2006
  31. craig_AA

    craig_AA Banned User

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    Try reading

    the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.
     
  32. Jul 20, 2006
  33. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Left Hungary
    No truer words were ever spoken...

    The best comment on the law came from Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX... but he's really a libertarian):

    [P]rotecting liberty is more important than passing a bill that regulates something on the Internet.

    The Interstate Commerce Clause originally was intended to make sure there were no barriers between interstate trade. In this case, we are putting barriers up.

    I want to make the point that prohibition, as a general principle, is a bad principle because it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem because it can't decrease the demand. As a matter of fact, the only thing it does is increase the price...

    H.R. 4411, the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act, should be rejected by Congress since the Federal Government has no constitutional authority to ban or even discourage any form of gambling.

    In addition to being unconstitutional, H.R. 4411 is likely to prove ineffective at ending Internet gambling. Instead, this bill will ensure that gambling is controlled by organized crime. History, from the failed experiment of prohibition to today's futile "war on drugs,'' shows that the government cannot eliminate demand for something like Internet gambling simply by passing a law.


    There is still hope!!!
     
  34. Jul 20, 2006
  35. craig_AA

    craig_AA Banned User

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    Joke

    If this is only about money then you try tell that to the 1000s of people that rogue traders<casinos> have piled misery on people for way too long..i feel sometimes people on here have there own agendas regarding this and are maybe upset because they have a good thing going but well thats human nature i guess ...
     
  36. Jul 20, 2006
  37. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    North Carolina
    OK, here's your whole post ... but you're still generalizing.

    Be positive all you want, but I've personally never "spent more than they should" or "spent more time online gaming than they should".

    You're entitled to your beliefs, but I'm equally entitled to not want to be lumped in with an "everybody is this way or that way" attitude.
     
  38. Jul 20, 2006
  39. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
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    Left Hungary
    And why should YOU care what I do with MY time?

    Why do you care? It's none of your business how I choose to entertain myself during my down time from work. It is not YOUR money I am spending, or your time I am using to benefit my relaxation or YOUR space I am doing it in!

    Well, if this passes then I think we need the kitchen patrol up and running for those that eat too much, and we need sidewalk patrols for people who spit too much (which is gross), etc etc...when do you stop telling others how to live in a free society...and it is still free as far as I know, ISN'T IT? :confused:

    I am waiting for the day that we have a bathroom patrol........too funny... when you will be told how to wipe yourself.... because we just might all be doing it wrong and we are really hurting ourselves.... :D
     
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