HR 4411 overwhelmingly passed...

dickens1298

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This is one of the proposed legislation pieces against internet gambling. The margin was surprisingly high - 317-93.

It is also interesting to note that the major sports organizations - MLB, NBA, NFL et al - have indicated their support of the legislation.
 

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dickens1298 said:
It is also interesting to note that the major sports organizations - MLB, NBA, NFL et al - have indicated their support of the legislation.

They clearly have underestimated how much of a drop in viewership they will suffer without online sportsbooks.
 

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dickens1298 said:
This is one of the proposed legislation pieces against internet gambling. The margin was surprisingly high - 317-93.

It is also interesting to note that the major sports organizations - MLB, NBA, NFL et al - have indicated their support of the legislation.

Some commentators have also mentioned that the Senate's reception of this bill may be lukewarm at best, since many Senators feel that there are other issues that are more pressing.
 

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This sucks! These clowns need to wake up and take care of REAL BUSINESS!!

Come senators, congressmen - Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt - Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside - And it's ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows - And rattle your walls
For the times they are a changin'


Come on November!!! Time to start over with congress
 

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Right on, Pacers

Right on. I was a big Dylan fan. But I wonder if the times have changed at all!
Here we are, about 40 years later, and:

We are still at war, same as Nam without the jungle, but with human bombs
We still smoke
We still drink
We still do drugs
We still have prejudice
We still have crime
We still have disease
We still have poverty

(when I say "we" I mean society as a whole, not any one single person)

Perhaps there are more important issues than who plays a slot machine on a computer, don'tcha think?
 

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Of course

Of course there are more important issues than following on whom is playing a slot machine

But what more important than stoping their precious dollars leaving the country... Thats Uncle Sam's priority. If they don't take their cut, well then, lets focus on this for as many time is needed... The people starving and on the streets, baaahhhh, we'll take care of it once we make sure we are taking our cut of the deal.

On the other side, they are going to piss off a lot of the happy online gamblers, which will lead to more problems for underground gambling and more non regulated wagers.

.......my prediction: Damn this Football season Western Union is going to make some big bucks!!

I would like to stand in front of every memeber of the US goverment and ask them: So, how have you taken the fact that you are going straight to hell?? and see their reactions and answers.
 

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The Watchdog said:
Of course there are more important issues than following on whom is playing a slot machine

But what more important than stoping their precious dollars leaving the country... Thats Uncle Sam's priority. If they don't take their cut, well then, lets focus on this for as many time is needed... The people starving and on the streets, baaahhhh, we'll take care of it once we make sure we are taking our cut of the deal.

On the other side, they are going to piss off a lot of the happy online gamblers, which will lead to more problems for underground gambling and more non regulated wagers.

.......my prediction: Damn this Football season Western Union is going to make some big bucks!!

I would like to stand in front of every memeber of the US goverment and ask them: So, how have you taken the fact that you are going straight to hell?? and see their reactions and answers.

Whoa, Watchdog. You may disagree with proposed legislation, but damning someone to hell because of it is a TAD overmuch.

Aside from your verbal posturing and rhetoric, do you have any tangible means of opposing the bill - the very same one that will now be going before the Senate? And the very same one - by the way - that has the support of the major sports leagues.
 

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Watchdog, you must be very young. LOL, but i do enjoy your outbursts (i mean opinions). :)
 

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Hahaha

Of course I oppose that bill.

1) I eat, live, walk and sleep because of online gambling

2) Regardless if it feeds me, the US goverment is just taking decisions to protect their interests and has nothing to do with protecting the consumer or player (Hipocrits)

3) In a land so called the cradle of freedom, you are only allowed to use your money in what we "the goverment" approve. ahh and by the way, if we are not making money of you you using money.. .Sorry..no can do.

4) The US plans on banning access to such nice websites like this one . So, on top of telling you what you can or can't do with your money, we believe some sites are not good for you, so you won't be able to see them. Ah, and always keep on mind you can end up in jail in Washington if you play a $1 single table tourney while having some coffee.

5) I am just tired of those guys stucking their nose every where and brain washing all those poor americans with their politics
 

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Regulation

The online gaming industry needs to grab the bull by the horns and counter the anti-online gaming lobby. Lets face it, some of the main lobbyists against online gaming are the US land based casinos.

As you can see from some of the rogue online casinos listed on this site, there are indeed some pretty dodgy outfits out there. There are also a number of excellent, publicly listed companies. It only takes one or two bad eggs to create a massive amount of negative publicity. (Kaplin and BetonSport take note)

The major online gaming firms need to get together and really come up with some form of regulation. Yes, I know that there are a number of locations (Gibraltar, Costa Rica, Isle of Man etc) that are attempting to put this in place. However, in all circumstances these locations are doing what's bets for their country/locality. The gaming industry is a key part of their future economic and financial stability.

In an ideal world it would be nice to see 1 independent regulartory body that accredits, regulates and punishes all online gaming companies. The major players seem to be getting together on other issues (
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) so why not take the sting out of the anti-lobbyist movement by proactively going for a decent independent regulartory system? :thumbsup:
 

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The Watchdog said:
Of course I oppose that bill.

1) I eat, live, walk and sleep because of online gambling

2) Regardless if it feeds me, the US goverment is just taking decisions to protect their interests and has nothing to do with protecting the consumer or player (Hipocrits)

3) In a land so called the cradle of freedom, you are only allowed to use your money in what we "the goverment" approve. ahh and by the way, if we are not making money of you you using money.. .Sorry..no can do.

4) The US plans on banning access to such nice websites like this one . So, on top of telling you what you can or can't do with your money, we believe some sites are not good for you, so you won't be able to see them. Ah, and always keep on mind you can end up in jail in Washington if you play a $1 single table tourney while having some coffee.

5) I am just tired of those guys stucking their nose every where and brain washing all those poor americans with their politics

Dont jump down my throat but is it not because of sites like this that internet gambling has such a bad repuation?? and if the government needs to police it then so be it because it can only drive out the majority of rogue traders..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment and when you have companies run by americans going outside the US but living in the US with profits then all you need to do is smell the coffee the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...
 

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the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...

Obviously, you've never heard of special interest groups that throw baleloads of money at politicians so they will support and push through legislation that is primarily designed to benefit only those groups.

This bill could very well have come about with NO ONE "member of the public" complaining about it.
 

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craig_AA said:
Dont jump down my throat but is it not because of sites like this that internet gambling has such a bad repuation?? and if the government needs to police it then so be it because it can only drive out the majority of rogue traders..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment and when you have companies run by americans going outside the US but living in the US with profits then all you need to do is smell the coffee the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...

You have got to be effing kidding me, wake up, this is about money, not human interest.
 

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what are the chances?

what was the margin in previous years in the house of representatives? 317-93 as now? I am just afraid that now support for the bill is higher.

I am still not sure what the bill says about Neteller? Anyone knows?

dickens1298 said:
This is one of the proposed legislation pieces against internet gambling. The margin was surprisingly high - 317-93.
 

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Macgyver said:
Obviously, you've never heard of special interest groups that throw baleloads of money at politicians so they will support and push through legislation that is primarily designed to benefit only those groups.

This bill could very well have come about with NO ONE "member of the public" complaining about it.

the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.
 

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No truer words were ever spoken...

The best comment on the law came from Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX... but he's really a libertarian):

[P]rotecting liberty is more important than passing a bill that regulates something on the Internet.

The Interstate Commerce Clause originally was intended to make sure there were no barriers between interstate trade. In this case, we are putting barriers up.

I want to make the point that prohibition, as a general principle, is a bad principle because it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem because it can't decrease the demand. As a matter of fact, the only thing it does is increase the price...

H.R. 4411, the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act, should be rejected by Congress since the Federal Government has no constitutional authority to ban or even discourage any form of gambling.

In addition to being unconstitutional, H.R. 4411 is likely to prove ineffective at ending Internet gambling. Instead, this bill will ensure that gambling is controlled by organized crime. History, from the failed experiment of prohibition to today's futile "war on drugs,'' shows that the government cannot eliminate demand for something like Internet gambling simply by passing a law.


There is still hope!!!
 

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bossplayer said:
You have got to be effing kidding me, wake up, this is about money, not human interest.

If this is only about money then you try tell that to the 1000s of people that rogue traders<casinos> have piled misery on people for way too long..i feel sometimes people on here have there own agendas regarding this and are maybe upset because they have a good thing going but well thats human nature i guess ...
 

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the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.

OK, here's your whole post ... but you're still generalizing.

Be positive all you want, but I've personally never "spent more than they should" or "spent more time online gaming than they should".

You're entitled to your beliefs, but I'm equally entitled to not want to be lumped in with an "everybody is this way or that way" attitude.
 

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And why should YOU care what I do with MY time?

i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should
Why do you care? It's none of your business how I choose to entertain myself during my down time from work. It is not YOUR money I am spending, or your time I am using to benefit my relaxation or YOUR space I am doing it in!

Well, if this passes then I think we need the kitchen patrol up and running for those that eat too much, and we need sidewalk patrols for people who spit too much (which is gross), etc etc...when do you stop telling others how to live in a free society...and it is still free as far as I know, ISN'T IT? :confused:

I am waiting for the day that we have a bathroom patrol........too funny... when you will be told how to wipe yourself.... because we just might all be doing it wrong and we are really hurting ourselves.... :D
 

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craig_AA said:
the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.


All of this would mean, ahem, REGULATION!

And I am glad to have you around to tell me what to do, love ya.

The government is doing this on behalf of physically established businesses on U.S. soil. IF the government did not want people to lose their money, or protect them from such a vice as gambling; Vegas would not exist in its current form, all gambling boats would be gone, no lotteries, and no dog or horse racing.

Please, can you now reflect on your inner self and see reason?

Again, the government does NOT think gambling should be illegal. They are not trying to protect individuals. But, I strongly believe it should be regulated, to protect citizens from rogues. This would only pertain to U.S. based online casinos though, as they would have no way to keep people from putting their money in offshore casinos.

Also, I believe people that share the attitude that government mandated outlaw of gaming is warranted could move to Protectmeopia (formerly known as Washington State)
 
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i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action
I was going to post a reply to this but it looks like silcnlayc and Bossplayer said it better than I could.

I would like to point out that the above attitude IS part of the problem.
 

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lots0} I would like to point out that the above attitude IS part of the problem.[/QUOTE said:
like you to elaborate on why protecting people from internet gambling may as you see it be a problem??? id say it was more of a problem NOT protecting people otherwise hmmm someone like casinomeister would not exist...the industry is not doing a good job of protecting itself from criticism and i have many cases where the internet has caused many people massive problems in there lives..as for the point boss dude made well thats just as far as im can see crazy suggesting all offline forms of gambling would be the same only a person caught up in a world of unreality would comment like that ..ONLINE GAMING is significantly more a problem than offline and even a monkey would see that..as for lotteries etc etc dog racing, horse racing they are all regulated very well here in the UK and unlike online gaming NOT available 24/7 with the potential of causing sever hardships to people addicted so think about that before posting some other stupid statements.
 

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So now you resort to name calling. I suggest you watch that. Stupid? Stupid is thinking hardships cant be created by horse racing, lotteries and brick and mortar casinos, the only of which cant be purchased 24/7 is racing.
 

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craig_AA said:
..ONLINE GAMING is significantly more a problem than offline and even a monkey would see that...

Interesting, I guess the only monkeys seeing that are in the DOJ and House of Reps.

Would like to see the studies backing this one too.
 
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