How would you comply to this term ???

poser

Experienced Member
I.:

Until a Player completes the wager conditions for the Welcome Bonus, the Player's total Cash Account balance represents the maximum a Player may wager as a single bet. The Player's Cash and Bonus Account balances may not be combined as a single bet until the wager conditions have been completed for the Welcome Bonus.

Along with:

II.:


Wagered credits are first deducted from a Player's cash balance. If no credits remain in the cash balance, the wager is then deducted from the bonus balance.


Hmmm, what is my max bet, if I deposit 50, get 50 bonus, and lost all to an balance of 50.03 Euro ????

Find a Slot and play 3 lines of 1 ct ?

Or if I only have bonus money left, go to FREEPLAY ???


From: King Neptuns Casino (Best Casino Group 2008)
 

BlueBoy

Dormant account
it sounds to me that you'd have to wager the remaining .03 euro which sounds really strange to me.

But it also says they can not be combined as a single bet :confused: does this mean one bet containing the .03 & the 50 or the .03 and an amount such as 35? which would leave 15 euro's resulting in more than a single bet. i think we need some bonus experts in here ;)
 

TDTAT

Dormant account
Where are the smart guys???:lolup: I am interested
to see how I am not understanding this correctly:what:
 

TDTAT

Dormant account
I'm thinking this is more of a general question than a specific complaint, no?

If there are no objections I'll bump it over to one of the other forums.
I object not, but do you understand what the heck those terms mean?:lolup:
 

Scooter7

Meister Member
I.:

Until a Player completes the wager conditions for the Welcome Bonus, the Player's total Cash Account balance represents the maximum a Player may wager as a single bet. The Player's Cash and Bonus Account balances may not be combined as a single bet until the wager conditions have been completed for the Welcome Bonus.

Along with:

II.:


Wagered credits are first deducted from a Player's cash balance. If no credits remain in the cash balance, the wager is then deducted from the bonus balance.


Hmmm, what is my max bet, if I deposit 50, get 50 bonus, and lost all to an balance of 50.03 Euro ????

Find a Slot and play 3 lines of 1 ct ?

Or if I only have bonus money left, go to FREEPLAY ???


From: King Neptuns Casino (Best Casino Group 2008)

Very simple. I would go to a casino that shows me it is smart enough to create bonus offers that make more sense and don't require a thorough analysis by CM Forum members to understand it :D
 

Mousey

Ueber Meister Mouse
Just exactly what players need. Clear, easy to understand T&C..... :rolleyes:

... this is not the Neptunes I once knew and loved. :(
 

USA2112

Dormant account
I.:

Until a Player completes the wager conditions for the Welcome Bonus, the Player's total Cash Account balance represents the maximum a Player may wager as a single bet. The Player's Cash and Bonus Account balances may not be combined as a single bet until the wager conditions have been completed for the Welcome Bonus.

Along with:

II.:


Wagered credits are first deducted from a Player's cash balance. If no credits remain in the cash balance, the wager is then deducted from the bonus balance.


Hmmm, what is my max bet, if I deposit 50, get 50 bonus, and lost all to an balance of 50.03 Euro ????

Find a Slot and play 3 lines of 1 ct ?

Or if I only have bonus money left, go to FREEPLAY ???


From: King Neptuns Casino (Best Casino Group 2008)
Your assumption sounds right to me! Very poorly wrote term "or a bonus trap" the bonus money is useless unless you make the playthrough first on the initial deposited money and bonus and then the bonus money can be combined and used for betting. Otherwise the bonus money is null and void.

To funny! :lolup:
 

vinylweatherman

You type well loads
CAG
MM
I know what they mean, but the person who wrote this needs to go back to school:D

They are outlawing the situation where a player deposits 50, gets 50 in bonus, and then bets the whole 100 on a single hand of Bacarrat, or a single spin of Roulette.

The way it is written also leads to unintended consequences, and a huge loophole:D

The unintended consequences are the situation where the player has only 0.03 left as cash. They must first bet this 0.03 and lose, but can THEN make the next bet with the whole 50 of bonus, since they are not "combining their balances".

The loophole is to bet not 100, but 99 for their first bet. This is not "Player's Cash and Bonus Account balances may not be combined as a single bet", but making one big bet that does not combine the WHOLE balance, leaving enough for at least one more bet, thus not a "single bet".

Far better would be to define the maximum bet as a percentage of the player's initial deposit, such as 25% or even less. Alternatively, the definition can be placed as a percentage of the starting BANKROLL. The clarity is that the starting deposit and bonus granted will define the maximum amount that may be played on a single game. For clarity, this should be set for the most advantageous games for "bonus abuse", such as Blackjack - bearing in mind that options to "double down" could increase the the initial bet to double or more the starting value, which might make 10% a better option.

King Neptune is now controlled by Carmen Media (BelleRock), so it is them that need to "go back to school" and rewrite the rules for ALL their sites.
 

KasinoKing

WebMeister & Slotaholic..
webmeister
PABnonaccred
CAG
MM
The loophole is to bet not 100, but 99 for their first bet...
That's no good as it breaks the first rule: max first bet is 50 credits.

This is just another shining example of extremely poorly written bonus terms - why oh why don't all online casinos get Vinylweatherman or myself to proof-read & correct their terms before they go public.... for a VERY large fee of course! :rolleyes:

KK
 

winbig

Keep winning this amount.
I know what they mean, but the person who wrote this needs to go back to school:D

They are outlawing the situation where a player deposits 50, gets 50 in bonus, and then bets the whole 100 on a single hand of Bacarrat, or a single spin of Roulette.
Correct ;)


The way it is written also leads to unintended consequences, and a huge loophole:D

The unintended consequences are the situation where the player has only 0.03 left as cash. They must first bet this 0.03 and lose, but can THEN make the next bet with the whole 50 of bonus, since they are not "combining their balances".
So far so good....

The loophole is to bet not 100, but 99 for their first bet. This is not "Player's Cash and Bonus Account balances may not be combined as a single bet", but making one big bet that does not combine the WHOLE balance, leaving enough for at least one more bet, thus not a "single bet".
This is not possible....there's no loophole. You're forgetting the very first line:

Until a Player completes the wager conditions for the Welcome Bonus, the Player's total Cash Account balance represents the maximum a Player may wager as a single bet.
It's impossible to bet 99 if their *cash balance* is only 50. The other 50 is their *bonus balance*. If a player were to bet over $50 at any time before the WR are met then there would be problems when it came time to cash out.
 

vinylweatherman

You type well loads
CAG
MM
Looks like it is impossible to comply with this rule at all without doing complex maths before each bet. The separate rules often combine to give a VERY restrictive effect.

If the first bet was 50, then the second could be 100, hoping for a run, and if the first bet lost, 50 could be bet again. It seems the problem is ANY bet that combines cash and bonus credits.

It would be simpler to state the max bet at all times is the amount deposited, This would have the effect of limiting bets to 50 in this case, but would also allow 50 to be bet regardless of the outcome of each preceeding bet.
 

TDTAT

Dormant account
King Neptune is now controlled by Carmen Media (BelleRock), so it is them that need to "go back to school" and rewrite the rules for ALL their sites.
I did not know that.. but reading it made me say "AHA! that explains everything. " :lolup:

This is just another shining example of extremely poorly written bonus terms - why oh why don't all online casinos get Vinylweatherman or myself to proof-read & correct their terms before they go public.... for a VERY large fee of course! :rolleyes:
KK
This is a good idea!! How silly is it that billion dollar businesses
can not make clear terms... or at least ones a regular gambler
can figure out without a lawyer? :what:
I think they know exactly what they are writing and do this on purpose.
 

Zoozie

Ueber Meister
PABnonaccred
CAG
What about splitting and doubling in BJ etc. ?

Say you deposit 50$ and get 50$ bonus.

You play a 25$ hand of BJ which is allowed. But if you split and later
double a hand, does this count as a 75$ bet thus breaking the T&C?

Anyway I would never touch a casino with that T&C. I used to be good a reading them.. But they were mostly some allowed game, some not and maybe weigthing also. But this is just too sick.

"T&C BS Award" goes to BelleRock for this one.
 
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