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Got it thanks for that. I've been seeing it the wrong way seems like. I'm also guessing some grid base games work differently in that regards. Maybe it's just my cognitive bias but the kind of stuff I've seen on Reactoonz would lead me to believe that the expected result is decided first and then the animations that come with it. ?
You're not completely wrong. Not sure about reactoons, but with Jammin Jars, it is more like a scratch card. What they did is generate 3 million odd results (so they let the gems generate and tumble and recorded the results. Then they stored those 3 million results. When you play the game, it's actually picking one of those 3 million and giving it to you.

So the results were generated by using the game mechanics, but when you get them, it's basically a pre-generated result that is given to you and played back, so all the gems, cascades and payouts are all part of that generated result.
 
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Yep, because why would you even generate random results now these days if you can pick from a pre-determined set of outcomes already done.
 
Yep, because why would you even generate random results now these days if you can pick from a pre-determined set of outcomes already done.
Well, the results were originally generated randomly, the pool of results is balanced so that, on average, it will return the RTP, and the result chosen is chosen at random, so it doesn't really make a difference to your gameplay experience.

That said, I hate the idea of it and that's why I don't play Jammin Jars :)
 
Well, the results were originally generated randomly, the pool of results is balanced so that, on average, it will return the RTP, and the result chosen is chosen at random, so it doesn't really make a difference to your gameplay experience.

That said, I hate the idea of it and that's why I don't play Jammin Jars :)

You think it's with Jamming Jars only? lol. Take a closer look to most of the games in any online casino then.
 
Something similar like this used to happen back in the day on Thunderstruck 2 when selecting the last feature (Thor).

The first 3 reels would keep sticking and connecting for like 20 spins in a row until eventually also hitting 4th and 5th, you knew you were gonna get paid when it went on the weird pattern.
i've had this win 3 bonuses in a row back in the day
i miss those days when slots were unpredictable
 
Hi all,

First of all, we would like to congratulate the winner with this very very rare win, this could possibly well be the world´s longest tumble ever.

We have fully investigated from our side, and we can confirm that the game round is completely legit. The Casino asked us to investigate this win and we have already informed the Casino that everything is ok.

All results of any game round, including Fruit Party, are random, generated by a Random Number Generator. The outcome of this particular game round, however rare, was therefore also determined by the Random Number Generator. All our games are independently tested and certified by GLI (one of the leading global independent testing labs in the industry), including Fruit Party. This is a volatile game and a big grid tumble slot, in which many different things can happen, and in this case did happen.

Br,

Daniel
 
Hi all,

First of all, we would like to congratulate the winner with this very very rare win, this could possibly well be the world´s longest tumble ever.

We have fully investigated from our side, and we can confirm that the game round is completely legit. The Casino asked us to investigate this win and we have already informed the Casino that everything is ok.

All results of any game round, including Fruit Party, are random, generated by a Random Number Generator. The outcome of this particular game round, however rare, was therefore also determined by the Random Number Generator. All our games are independently tested and certified by GLI (one of the leading global independent testing labs in the industry), including Fruit Party. This is a volatile game and a big grid tumble slot, in which many different things can happen, and in this case did happen.

Br,

Daniel

Very glad to see that this is not a malfunction and therefore the win was not voided.

I love to see the detractors jump on the gun on events like those and just say "pragmatic scam or stake scam or twitch streamer must be fake game round orchestrated by pragmatic with the CIA and twitch" without even thinking for a second what could of actually happened

It's still not clear in my mind if this outcome of game round is still considered a bug or it's just one of those 1 in a billion events. Not sure I would enjoy sitting for 3 hours looking at these similar set of tumbles falling down wondering if it's just all a malfunction or legit.
 
Hi all,

First of all, we would like to congratulate the winner with this very very rare win, this could possibly well be the world´s longest tumble ever.

We have fully investigated from our side, and we can confirm that the game round is completely legit. The Casino asked us to investigate this win and we have already informed the Casino that everything is ok.

All results of any game round, including Fruit Party, are random, generated by a Random Number Generator. The outcome of this particular game round, however rare, was therefore also determined by the Random Number Generator. All our games are independently tested and certified by GLI (one of the leading global independent testing labs in the industry), including Fruit Party. This is a volatile game and a big grid tumble slot, in which many different things can happen, and in this case did happen.

Br,

Daniel
Oh yeah for sure.
don’t forget guys: every spin is random!
OMG
 
Hi all,

First of all, we would like to congratulate the winner with this very very rare win, this could possibly well be the world´s longest tumble ever.

We have fully investigated from our side, and we can confirm that the game round is completely legit. The Casino asked us to investigate this win and we have already informed the Casino that everything is ok.

All results of any game round, including Fruit Party, are random, generated by a Random Number Generator. The outcome of this particular game round, however rare, was therefore also determined by the Random Number Generator. All our games are independently tested and certified by GLI (one of the leading global independent testing labs in the industry), including Fruit Party. This is a volatile game and a big grid tumble slot, in which many different things can happen, and in this case did happen.

Br,

Daniel
Laugh my fucking ass off. So some programmer programmed a spin to last 3 hours and max the game out? Would you mind getting me his/her drug dealers phone number? Much obliged.
 
I must admit, the chances of a RANDOM set of symbols dropping down, in the exact same positions, for hours on end, does seem a little far fetched. How is that even possible? What are the calculated odds of it happening Dan? Must be in the millions to one bracket to happen twice let alone hundred of times
 
I must admit, the chances of a RANDOM set of symbols dropping down, in the exact same positions, for hours on end, does seem a little far fetched. How is that even possible? What are the calculated odds of it happening Dan? Must be in the millions to one bracket to happen twice let alone hundred of times
It's pragmatic, everything can happen and that's why they are one of the most hated providers
 
I must admit, the chances of a RANDOM set of symbols dropping down, in the exact same positions, for hours on end, does seem a little far fetched. How is that even possible? What are the calculated odds of it happening Dan? Must be in the millions to one bracket to happen twice let alone hundred of times

Might need to ask Bryan to increase the character limit on posts if you want that answer ;)
 
All i can say is that this looks sketchy as hell, and indeed doesn't help that's it's the Pragmatic/dodgy casino combo, with yet another streamer that looks like he can't even afford a bar of soap. Sure, i may be judgemental there, but it's so odd to me that almost all of these streamers i have been shown with the Pragmatic/dodgy casino combo, almost all exclusively look like bums, with little to no show of actual emotions. Which is weird...

Oh and on the bum-look, it takes one to know one! I'm unfortunately very experienced in that regard :D
I know a lot of internet rich guys, that look like bums, being true to their roots, but most of those have some sort of 'career' that can be traced back to a starting point, whereas these PP/Dodgy Casino-streamers seem to coming from nowhere..

Combine that with the fact that there now have been multiple instances where industry 'insiders' have confirmed that the 'fake money' is a thing, it really turns me off, and i'm beyond skeptical at this point..

Anyway, carry on...:rolleyes:.
 
Combine that with the fact that there now have been multiple instances where industry 'insiders' have confirmed that the 'fake money' is a thing, it really turns me off, and i'm beyond skeptical at this point..

Any source to back that up? I'm willing to believe these things if we have verifiable sources
 
Any source to back that up? I'm willing to believe these things if we have verifiable sources

I've had several people i know and trust tell me this, and seen several posters (on 3 or 4 forums) that i hold in high esteem/deem trustworthy, seen posting that.

I can't be arsed to be frank, i'm old and sick and have little energy to spare, but if you google for it yourself, i'm pretty sure you'll find enough to make you question things as well..

You can certainly find examples here, and perhaps on LCB, Casinogrounds and on Twitch and Youtube..#fakemoney, #streamerdeals etc.
 
Any source to back that up? I'm willing to believe these things if we have verifiable sources
Well, I was on two occasions, by different casino groups, offered a 'special' account to stream with...
 
Well, I was on two occasions, by different casino groups, offered a 'special' account to stream with...

Right well obviously when it comes to these special accounts, they come from Casinos themselves offering that and not the game provider. I 100% believe you had these sketchy deals offered to you.

These special accounts you talk about are probably like money deals and NOT "special streamers RTP or rigged games or whatever" which is what this thread is turning into. (Unless you tell us otherwise)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that yes there is funny stuff in the industry I 100% believe that but this fruit party situation IMO has literally NOTHING to do with any funny business and claiming so I think is completely ridiculous. It's as if bugs and glitches never happen in software which everyone knows is false.

Seeing this game round bug and automatically associating it to pragmatic/casino deals is just a false equivalency. Especially when Pragmatic says the win is valid and accepted can't we just be happy about that? I can't imagine the controversy if they came and told us the win is void for whatever reason
 
I've had several people i know and trust tell me this, and seen several posters (on 3 or 4 forums) that i hold in high esteem/deem trustworthy, seen posting that.

I can't be arsed to be frank, i'm old and sick and have little energy to spare, but if you google for it yourself, i'm pretty sure you'll find enough to make you question things as well..

You can certainly find examples here, and perhaps on LCB, Casinogrounds and on Twitch and Youtube..#fakemoney, #streamerdeals etc.

You seem to be well versed in the industry so I will not refute you or argue especially if you can't be arsed about it ;).

I just have a hard time to find hard evidence in MOST of these claims especially since it often comes from frustrated addicts who try to find any way possible to confirm their bias in automatically thinking I lost all my money so this is rigged or a scam and that by itself is annoying and something I see in this forum on a daily basis.
 
Right well obviously when it comes to these special accounts, they come from Casinos themselves offering that and not the game provider. I 100% believe you had these sketchy deals offered to you.

These special accounts you talk about are probably like money deals and NOT "special streamers RTP or rigged games or whatever" which is what this thread is turning into. (Unless you tell us otherwise)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that yes there is funny stuff in the industry I 100% believe that but this fruit party situation IMO has literally NOTHING to do with any funny business and claiming so I think is completely ridiculous. It's as if bugs and glitches never happen in software which everyone knows is false.

Seeing this game round bug and automatically associating it to pragmatic/casino deals is just a false equivalency. Especially when Pragmatic says the win is valid and accepted can't we just be happy about that? I can't imagine the controversy if they came and told us the win is void for whatever reason
No, the slots weren't in question, but at the time they would have been the max RTP versions. No question of being rigged games I could have played, not suggesting that at all. Then again, if you search the forum for the GameArt demo slots scandal where Videoslots were offering bent demos paying over 100% on their site, you could see how feasible it is to play with demo/fake cash AND always win (or seem to!)

EDIT - In fact, read through this to see any bollocks in streaming is theoretically possible:

Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots - Casinomeister Forum

The above is simply an untrustworthy developer who once even claimed to have a MGA license which was a lie.
Pragmatic Play (originally TopGame, another highly questionable outfit in their day) seem to be OK nowadays but to me and others there has always been at least a faint whiff about them...
 
No, the slots weren't in question, but at the time they would have been the max RTP versions. No question of being rigged games I could have played, not suggesting that at all. Then again, if you search the forum for the GameArt demo slots scandal where Videoslots were offering bent demos paying over 100% on their site, you could see how feasible it is to play with demo/fake cash AND always win (or seem to!)

EDIT - In fact, read through this to see any bollocks in streaming is theoretically possible:

Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots - Casinomeister Forum

The above is simply an untrustworthy developer who once even claimed to have a MGA license which was a lie.
Pragmatic Play (originally TopGame, another highly questionable outfit in their day) seem to be OK nowadays but to me and others there has always been at least a faint whiff about them...

Thanks for that I will read that. I heard in the past that GameArt has been involved in some bollockery (I love the word but I don't know if we can use it in that form).

I still stand on the fact that I don't see the point to just automatically assume whatever situation arises = RTP PROVIDER CASINO CIA SCAM. It undermines the discussions in this forum by a huge amount. I guess this is more of a feedback and I'm digressing from the thread so that's that.
 

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