How honest are you?

Rusty

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In the past I have handed in wallets and told cashtill clerks when they have undercharged or given me too much change.Quite the model citizen.
Well not quite;
I was in the Casino on Friday night playing at the Blackjack tables.I was in the last seat and having a nightmare, although I was winning for the rest of the table(I was so happy for them).I was around 200 down playing 5 stakes when I had mini revival but because I was chasing I doubled up my stake upto 40 and just hoped to win a few more hands or hit a BJ or two.Anyway I was dealt 11 against the dealers 5 and doubled up fearing the worse.I hit an A making 12 and now my only hope was for the dealer to bust.She drew a 3(8) another 3(11) and a 7(18) sealing my fate.Except she then proceeded to pay a guy at the front with 19 and then me with 12(80).
A few thoughts flashed through my head, Casinos are evil, dont look a gift horse in the mouth, you need the money, anything to vindicate my decision to take the money.Then, just as I was about to take the money, the guy at the front shouts out.
"Wo, wait love, you have paid him out there when you have beat him."
Now that was honest of him if somewhat unappreciated and un-necessary.Surfice to say it ended in a fierce slanging match between us.
So, how honest would you be?:confused:
 

EasyRhino

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General rule of thumb is that you can be as honest as you want with your own hand, but not with the other players'. That just ain't cool.

I'll correct a dealer about a mistake in my favor about half of the time. I guess my honesty runs in streaks or something.

What I feel most potentially guilty about was when a casino cashier made a math mistake that gave me an extra $100 bucks. I didn't notice it until I after I had walked away from the cage, but I could have reported it fairly quickly. I'm pretty sure she won't be fired for it, I hope.
 

gfkostas

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In the past I have handed in wallets and told cashtill clerks when they have undercharged or given me too much change.Quite the model citizen.
Well not quite;
I was in the Casino on Friday night playing at the Blackjack tables.I was in the last seat and having a nightmare, although I was winning for the rest of the table(I was so happy for them).I was around 200 down playing 5 stakes when I had mini revival but because I was chasing I doubled up my stake upto 40 and just hoped to win a few more hands or hit a BJ or two.Anyway I was dealt 11 against the dealers 5 and doubled up fearing the worse.I hit an A making 12 and now my only hope was for the dealer to bust.She drew a 3(8) another 3(11) and a 7(18) sealing my fate.Except she then proceeded to pay a guy at the front with 19 and then me with 12(80).
A few thoughts flashed through my head, Casinos are evil, dont look a gift horse in the mouth, you need the money, anything to vindicate my decision to take the money.Then, just as I was about to take the money, the guy at the front shouts out.
"Wo, wait love, you have paid him out there when you have beat him."
Now that was honest of him if somewhat unappreciated and un-necessary.Surfice to say it ended in a fierce slanging match between us.
So, how honest would you be?:confused:


Oh jeez....I've seen similar mistakes but I let the guy get paid. You may say that it's not fair to "cheat" the casino on the other hand is it fair for the casinos to offer to the public negative expectations games?
If a mistake happens I let it be;) (that is as long as favours me)
One that guy did is probably a sing of envy.
 

paul1

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Holy rat finks! Rusty, you should have punched that guy in the nose. How big was he? :mad:
 

Rusty

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How Big?

Holy rat finks! Rusty, you should have punched that guy in the nose. How big was he?

LOL shoud'nt that be phrased;"How big was he?Should you have punched that guy in the nose?"
TBH It very nearly came to blows as the Guy was incerdibly arrogant too.He actually tried to show me up infront of everybody by trying to make out I was lowlife for asking what business of his it was that I got paid.
Glad my friend was there to calm me down.
 

gfkostas

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Holy rat finks! Rusty, you should have punched that guy in the nose. How big was he?

LOL shoud'nt that be phrased;"How big was he?Should you have punched that guy in the nose?"
TBH It very nearly came to blows as the Guy was incerdibly arrogant too.He actually tried to show me up infront of everybody by trying to make out I was lowlife for asking what business of his it was that I got paid.
Glad my friend was there to calm me down.

That's why I have nearly stop visiting casinos in regular basis. Too many idiots. It's sad that at least in Britain casinos are usally filled with low life people.
 

tennis_balls

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that's doubly bad luck that you were at a table with such a prick.

If I'm gambling at a casino, I consider the house as the enemy. If their dealer can't get it right, I don't feel it is my responsibility to point it out.

Some of my best casino memories are a result of such screw-ups when you look around the table and you make eye contact with another player who gives you the "yep. the dealer just blew it." knowing look.

If they're going to design casinos so it takes me 20 minutes just to find the exit, with swirling music and 10,000 kilowatt beams of light shooting into my eyeballs at 4 a.m., then I figure I can look the other way on the RARE occasion when an error occurs in my favor.

My best one of these stories happened on one of my first visits to Vegas. I was playing this silly machine with a mini horsetrack with plastic horses where you bet on winning combos and then watched the race. I had a losing combo when suddenly my spot at this machine starts flashing and bells are ringing and quarters start pouring out. I was frozen with a WTF expression when an old timer at the table goes "hey kid. quick. get those quarters in a bucket before the supervisor gets here" The boss lady arrived shortly thereafter and man was she pissed. You would have thought I had pried that machine open with a crowbar with the look she gave me. I took my bucket and headed straight for the elevator. Then I sweated it out in my room for an hour wondering when Vinnie and Mario would knock on the door requesting I come take a ride with them in the desert. (I was just a dumb kid.)

I think my total haul on that one was roughly $300. (which wasn't bad back in 1984.) Somehow Bally's has managed to remain in business despite that malfunction in my favor.
 

winbig

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I have to agree with the majority here. The guy was a real dick!

I have to say that I will (and haven't) not correct dealer's mistakes. IMO (and stated above), if they can't get it right, then it's on them, NOT me. If they do happen to catch it on the cameras, then I'll play dumb; as if I wasn't paying attention on the hand.

In the end, it's the dealer that they're going to come down on, NOT YOU.

Think about it, what are they going to do? "Sorry sir, you're going to have to leave. The dealer paid you when they shouldn't have. Yes, it was their mistake, but it's up to you to make sure the dealer is doing their job."

:lolup: I don't think so..................;)
 

Rusty

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Thanks

It is nice to know that people here do not think I acted out of turn.Pitty you were'nt all there at the time we could of all shouted "prick!" at him at the same time :)
PS
That is my dream to have a slot pay me out wrongly ;)
 

vinylweatherman

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I'm British

I used to be more honest, but as I grow older I make a big distinction between business and individuals. Businesses treat loyalty with contempt, screwing "loyal" customers for more because they are mugs to remain loyal rather than snap up an enticing deal by changing to another suplier. Also, if they make a mistake against the customer they try to deny it, and make it nearly impossible for the customer to get redress, even to the extent of making the customer take them to court, where often they don't even bother to turn up as they know they have no leg to stand on.
Casinos are businesses, and before I played at the online variety my dealings were with the UK "amusement gaming" industry. They would screw the hapless punter at every opportunity, and deserve it when the same hapless punters take full advantage of the many mistakes they make.
Commonly, a gaming machine will fail to pay what is due on a win. Often this is due to poor maintenance, and a disonest attitude that causes faulty machines to be left faulty so long as mugs still play them and get ripped off. If I complain about short payment, it can be difficult to get redress, and about half of the incidents were never paid. When a mistake goes in MY favour, I view it as tit for tat, players are expected to live with mistakes that go against them, so the house should live with the mistakes that go the player's way - that way it should even out.
Only if the mistake was a really BIG blunder would I point it out. Jackpot Factory made a massive blunder of 2000 in my favour because of the persistent Neteller timeout problems. I decided the amount was too large to keep and reported it. Annoyingly, the did not seem to want to be bothered to resolve the issue quickly, wanting me to delay play till the main people could look into it after a couple of days. It would have been easier to play and forget the mistake unless I won with the money whereupon I would question the extra 2000 and invite them to investigate the cash-in and decide if the 2000 should be reclaimed.
Many online casinos seem to be happy to screw the player with flimsy excuses when they win (refunding deposits only), but are quite happy for these "high risk" players to play while they are depositing and losing.

The gaming industry have asked for this, even before online gambling they have treated players like scum for questioning anything to do with payouts, and players who are simply "too lucky" find themselves thrown out without explanation as though they were somehow criminals (I have experienced this myself, being thrown out just for being good at feature based slots that had an element of skill [fruit machines]).

I have seen how the authorities that are supposed to regulate businesses allow this behaviour, and explain it away by trying to accuse the playing classes as a bunch of cheaters that have necessitated this attitude.

If the gaming industry were to clean up it's act, and treat players like customers, whatever their luck and spend, then I would feel more inclined to be helpful and point out when they make mistakes in my favour.
 

cheekymonkey

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I've had two double deposits from Ladbrokes. They've paid me twice (with one withdrawal) into my bank account with amounts ranging from 100-300.

Also, they have a transfer system within their site that allows you to transfer between casino and poker and games accounts etc. The amount of times I've transferred from poker to casino and it double deposits into my sports and casino accounts is crazy.

As far as I am concerned, they can go screw themselves. :p
 

winbig

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I remember one instance a few weeks ago playing poker at Bally's down in Atlantic City.

One guy sits down, and hands the dealer a stack of new 20's, that supposedly add up to $100. The dealer doesn't crumple them up, proceeds to lay out 3 bills, gives him $60 in chips, then drops the bills in the box. If there were in fact 5 20's there, a couple were stuck together.

Of course this guy is pissed, but nicely points out that he gave the dealer $100.

The pitboss comes over, and agrees to have them check the cameras. Whether they did or not, I have no idea, but he comes back with the obvious response that the cameras only picked up 3 bills.

What gets me is the fact that the pitboss REFUSED to call security to have them open up the box and see if, in fact, the bills were stuck together, and find out for sure if the dealer made a mistake.

Apparently this pitboss wasn't under the assumption that most business have - THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT (until proven for a fact that they're wrong). At least the other players at the table were neutral in this...everyone said they couldn't say for sure if he gave the dealer $60 or $100 ;)

Moral(s) of the story:

1.If you have crisp bills, CRUMPLE THEM UP BEFORE you give them to the dealer.

2. If asked of your opinion of information for a ruling between house and player, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! Also keep it shut if you don't have a stake in the matter. ;)
 
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Rusty

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agreed

2. If asked of your opinion of information for a ruling between house and player, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! Also keep it shut if you don't have a stake in the matter.
Definately :thumbsup:
That avitar cracks me up by the way :D
 

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Great topic! :thumbsup:


Well, this has happened to me a few times. All I can say is that when I was WAY up (and this is going several years back now), I thought that I should in fact point it out because I didn't want anything for the casino to use as an excuse for me not to keep winning. Which in retrospect, is quite silly of me.


I would have to agree that it's best not to mention anything, because it's embarrassing to the dealer who made the mistake. It doesn't look good to the pit-boss who has to keep looking over his/her shoulder, inspecting all the time. The odds of the eye-in-the-sky reviewing each dollar that's being passed back and forth is pretty astronomical (and mundane as hell). I'm sure they look, but if you're playing low hands, who's really going to know.


They slipped, keep my mouth shut, thank you very much! :cool: ;)


I can add a similar dilemma, where I was in Vegas a few years back and this man who was completed wasted (alcohol), fumbles his way over the table I was playing at, and slams some money and his big chips onto the table. He was betting really big, and he was going on and on about how he made $30,000 from the day before. Good for him. Then I went to the washroom, came back, and noticed a bunch of hundreds on the ground underneath the table. Good for me... but... could I really get away with that. First thought, I was on a lousy beat, so what would it matter if I picked-up one of those hundred dollar bills? Yet, I couldn't get past the idea that someone is always watching, and if I got caught, that in itself would have been embarrassing enough. I had pointed it out to the man, and he was like "huh-wha?". He picked-up the bills, and he was so drunk, he thanked the dealer!!! After that day, I'll gladly dismiss any kind of advice I get from the angel on my shoulder who's feeding me this crap advice. :p



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tennis_balls

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I once told a fairly plain looking woman at a party that I thought she was one of the most beautiful creatures I had ever seen.

On second thought, I was drunk so that probably wasn't a lie.
 

frufrugirl

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,:) Since the question was,"how honest are you?" If I saw the dealer make a mistake regarding others, I would leave it for the casino to deal with.im not smart enough to recognize a boo boo anyway. If I saw a person cheat the casino (stealing, sneaking chips ect, I would quietly tell security.) If I was counted extra money or given money with a losing hand, if I would say something. Same if someone left a card in the machine I leave it by the machine and play my own (used to, dont play anymore)
I am my own worst enemy. I will beat my self up if Im not honest like that. I have gone into a store and come out with something that was not paid for (like in the bottom part of the shopping cart and the cashier forgot to ring it up) then taken it back in and paid for it.I usually catch it in the parking lot. Sometime they wont even let me pay for it. They just give it to me. Once I had someone elses bag loaded into my cart! I went all the way home, 2 miles, discovered it then went back to the store. The woman whos bag was missing was trying to find it. They were not going to refund her. Her grateful face will always stick in my mind. I guess we all have our own level of comfort. Im not saying anyone is evil for not reporting things as discussed mind you, Ive heard plenty about the Evil doings of casinos online and B and M.
When my sister was in high school she was forever doing dumb things and getting caught. My mom would just look her in the eye and say "im so disappointed in you". She would be so remorseful she would be miserable for days. She would punish herself! My mom told me she never had to yell or hit, we would always punish ourselves with seclusion for letting her down! How did she do that? LOL.:)
 

Rusty

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Yet, I couldn't get past the idea that someone is always watching, and if I got caught, that in itself would have been embarrassing enough.

LOL I know exactly what you mean.Whenever I have found a money on the floor when out and about I always have a flashback to that Laurel and Hardy where some rascals plant a wallet on the floor and wait for some poor sap "Ollie" to try to pick it up before kicking them up the ass!Sons of the Desert I think?

once told a fairly plain looking woman at a party that I thought she was one of the most beautiful creatures I had ever seen.

On second thought, I was drunk so that probably wasn't a lie.


Surely you tell every Woman you want to bed she is the most beautiful Woman you have ever seen?

It may be disengenuous but it sure beats saying "Ive seen a lot better looking Women than you but I know I have no chance with them, now how about it?"

Frufru, you're an Angel
 
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Simmo!

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Tough call on the original post. If a dealer were to get into trouble by me owning up, then I wouldn't. If it was a decision that affected other players who also got overpaid, then I wouldn't. But if the dealer was unlikely to get into trouble, and it was just me who got overpaid then I would. I wouldn't have when I was younger, but I grew to believe that you get on best in this world by treating others how you want to be treated. So whichever scenario fitted that philosophy would be the route I took personally. :thumbsup:
 

spearmaster

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IMHO, it is the dealer's responsibility to do his job correctly. And it is no business of any other player to point out an error unless the error affects him directly, just as much as it is not the dealer's responsibility to tell you that you should always stand on 12 against a 6 showing.

The pitboss is also supposed to be monitoring things - and, the cameras above are supposedly always manned so if they were paying attention they would alert the pitboss who would then come and check.

Yes, I feel guilty if an overpayment in my favor occurs. I'm sure most people feel guilty. But there are times when we are tired, or inebriated, and not using our best judgement by being at the tables. Shouldn't the pitboss and the dealer feel guilty and tell us that they won't accept our bets?

It works both ways in the end. There are pitbosses and dealers that will indeed tell you to go to bed, if you know them very well. But these are the exception, rather than the rule - and after all has been said and done, pointing out dealer errors will mostly cause problems for the dealer - not only potentially embarrassing, but could cost them their job even if they are otherwise the most popular dealers around.

Trust me, the casino isn't going to care about a few bucks. And an error like that will never happen at the really big tables.
 

gfkostas

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I do see many who are concerned with morals on what we should do on each occasion. Moralistic black&white judgements often have a dead end. Personally I've got overpaid 4-5 times but let it slip. Also I have no qualms about it nor do I feel a "thief". To the contrary if I find a wallet on the street I would return it to which owner. I don't think casinos are fair with us. Also I don't feel that I should be fair with them since am being taken advantage of. It's a mutual relationship. If they are fair let's have 50/50 games. If it is "immoral" to allow yourself to get overpaid it is also immoral for BJ to have 0,55% house edge:mad: . The justification behind the house edge is irellevant. Since they are not fair i'll do my best to beat the house while am there however I will never steal somene else chips or casinos chips but if they overpay me that's their issue to deal with.
Another reason i choose not to point out mistakes while am at casinos it's beucase I don't think nor feel from a spirituall standpoint that they appreciate my business. I lose £200 within an hour and yet they won't give me a soft drink in the casino unless I pay £1.20:mad:.
I sit at the table to enjoy myself and I see no interest at all from the inspectors nor the dealers to take care of me. People verbally abuse me at the BJ table for "doing the wrong thing" and make the whole table lose and the employees couldn't care less. They also have NO non smoking tables which is a murder. Also no clocks in the casino. A enviroment to grab your money while at the same time not appreciating you. As a result of these it would be naive for me to be "fair" and a good samaritan. Because of the aforementioned reasons casinos built up an atmosphere of me vs all. We see the casino as an enemy to beat at all costs. My attitude stems from how they treat me and in that I include their negative expectation games.
They have the house edge on their side and I have the house edge of dealers mistakes on my side. Respect for an intitution is earned not given by virtue of being a "business".
You may say what if they get their act together would you point out their error?....I still wouldn't;)
What if they had 50/50 games? then yes I would point out an error ofcourse a s long as it has to do with my hand not someones else.

IMHO, it is the dealer's responsibility to do his job correctly. And it is no business of any other player to point out an error unless the error affects him directly, just as much as it is not the dealer's responsibility to tell you that you should always stand on 12 against a 6 showing.

exactly
 

spearmaster

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gfkostas said:
Another reason i choose not to point out mistakes while am at casinos it's beucase I don't think nor feel from a spirituall standpoint that they appreciate my business. I lose 200 within an hour and yet they won't give me a soft drink in the casino unless I pay 1.20.

LOL. Well, that's the UK for you. In Vegas all you have to do is sit near any machine (even a penny slot), when a waitress pops by, spin (even only 1 line) and order a drink. The only problem with this is that the average tip for drinks at a Vegas casino is... $1 :D

Actually, I agree with what you said. If I found a wallet I would definitely return it. Come to think of it, this happens quite a lot at my internet cafe, someone inevitably leaves something behind. We just put it away and hope that they come back to claim it, or we'll run after them if they only just left and we noticed. Even if they offered a reward we wouldn't take it.

At the tables, it's different. If the dealer takes away my winning bet, I have to call the pit boss to call upstairs to check the cameras - if I notice, that is The dealer wouldn't tell me "Oops! I took away your winning bet" (well, some actually do if they catch themselves, but mostly I think not). That's BS. If they did their job properly in the first place I could play half-asleep.

Anyhow, I pay for the privilege of playing at the tables through a house edge, and possibly room and board. The least I should expect from them is to do their jobs correctly.
 

frufrugirl

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I lose 200 within an hour and yet they won't give me a soft drink in the casino unless I pay 1.20:mad:.

I was just laughing at that:lolup: Same here in our casinos..at least you get soft drinks and coffee for free...drink up that there $150 soft drink little missy...

:rolleyes:
 
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