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How do casinos stick to what they promis

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by uninvited_guest, Dec 11, 2006.

    Dec 11, 2006
  1. uninvited_guest

    uninvited_guest Dormant account

    Occupation:
    student
    Location:
    Czech
    Aim of this topic is to report on how casinos stick to their promises(regarding bonuses). As a bonus abuser, using provocative strategies, I am able to examine the matter in very profoundly.

    I will start with Mysportsbook.com (owner: Sportingbet). After taking advantage of thier welcome bonus, my account was locked and my winning confiscated. I did not even recieve any statement why manager decided to act that way. On one hand, the are listed on stock exchange, on the other hand, they suck.

    Vipcasino.com (owner: same as intercasino). I registered as a German player to recieve the bonus. My nationality, however, is not German. If I had registered under my real nationality, I would not have recieved the bonus. My account was locked after few days and I was told to open another one with correct information. I did so. Funds from previos account were transfed in full(including bonus which I would not have recieved under normal circumstances). I find this behaviour very profesional.

    Vegas partner group(Maple, Sunvegas, 777dragon...). I have abused bonus in first two casinos in the group playing in GBP(to maximize the profit). It the third one, however, bonus was rejected and I was told to open account in EURos. I did so and I recieved the bonus. My friend started playing this group in Euros. After abusing two bonuses, he was ordered to open account in USD despite he is from same country as I am. From what is stated abode, I conclude that casino manager is eighter indecisive or not willing to give out bonuses.
     
  2. Dec 11, 2006
  3. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    San Diego
    You're more provocative than I am. I generally make a good faith effort to use my real location, currency, have only one account, and to comply precisely whatever crazy terms and conditions are on the bonus.

    I get a share of slow pays, but haven't had a no-pay, or even bonus confiscation yet.

    The closest I ever had to a casino totally jerking me around was at Club Player casino. I won big on a "zero playthrough" bonus playing BJ. However, I didn't notice their fine print specified that if over roughly half of wagering was on BJ, the coupon actually had a pretty high wagering requirement. Withdrawal was rejected, and so I wagered an equal amount on another game to dip the ratio back down to 50%. They still refused the withdrawal, and said such wagering flagged would flag me as a bonus abuser and have my winnings confiscated. So I went ahead and completed the entire WR (which actually turned a several hundred dollar win into a small loss). I was annoyed, but have not had a problem with them on another deposit/withdrawal cycle since.

    I've also been banned from one casino and banned from bonuses at another. In both cases, the winnings were still paid. And finally, I got the "advantage player" label at two RTGs, which limits but does not eliminate the bonuses I can receive.
     
  4. Dec 11, 2006
  5. jenn1381

    jenn1381 Meister Member

    Occupation:
    Data Management Assistant - Health unit
    Location:
    Canada
    To me, the answer is simple... Stop abusing bonuses. Bonus abusers make claiming a bonus hard for all of us who are merely trying to enrich our bankroll and not screw the casino over.
     
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  6. Dec 11, 2006
  7. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    Not that it matters to you, but this is the reason the rest of us "suffer" the inconveniences of playing and using the bonuses correctly (I am not a bonus player unless forced or forget to deny one prior to playing).

    What else in life do you try to cheat/lie/steal at? For this boils down to what type of person you are in life that tries to pull stunts like this that makes everyone else suffer.
    There is NOTHING admirable about going around and saying you abuse bonuses.That is like saying, you kick the cat/dog everytime no one is looking. Does it make you feel better?

    Most of us just enjoy the play and like being treated as we play, on the up and up and with fairplay. The sneakiness/lieing is what gets me. I truly get ill to my stomache reading this kind of stuff. This is why I don't read a lot of these posts and just mark them read .
    At least EasyRhino does make an effort to give good faith as the casino does by giving back bonuses.

    Done.....
     
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  8. Dec 11, 2006
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Totally agree with Jen & Silcnlayc.
    People abusing bonuses just make it harder for the rest of us to make our monthly income. :(
    Look at the long term, rather than the short term, and you should have few problems.
    I have made literally $1,000's at a couple of casinos using their monthlies over the years, and never had a hint of a problem - because I don't abuse, but play lots of different games.
     
  10. Dec 11, 2006
  11. mtx

    mtx Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Canada
    You should check out the posts at 2+2, some people pay their friends to make accounts at casinos for them to play and they split the profit.

    BTW, is lying about your age considered bonus abuse? There was one casino that required people to be 21+, but it also said that if you were legal in your jurisdiction, you could play... Well, sadly I haven't reached 21 yet, but I still put my age as 21, as I am more than legal to play in my jurisdiction (Canada, 19+)..I would not argue with the casino if they confiscated my winnings because of my age, but if they never requested documents, would that be considered bonus abuse?
     
  12. Dec 11, 2006
  13. mikepipe

    mikepipe Dormant account

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    owner
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    @uninvited guest

    I await your first thread:
    so and so casino does not pay my winnings ...
    Some of the facts you are presenting are not bonus abusing but simply - sorry -: cheating.
    my 2cents.
     
  14. Dec 11, 2006
  15. kwblue

    kwblue Webmaster webmeister

    Occupation:
    Engineer
    Location:
    USA
    I agree with nearly everyone (except the uninvited guest). This just kills me. Even though I know there are plenty of people playing bonuses - I hate to see people trying to go out of their way to steal from a casino.

    Yes, this is why so many casinos have such strict regulations now... It's sad for those of us who play legitimately and then get questioned. It's all because of people exactly like you. :(
     
  16. Dec 12, 2006
  17. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Agree 100% :mad: The legit players are the ones who suffer because of your bonus abuse.
     
  18. Dec 12, 2006
  19. tesla

    tesla Dormant account PABnoaccred2 PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
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    the world
    Bonus abuse is quite rampant these days. I have heard of people who have 30+ identities to play bonuses. It's truly amazing to hear what goes in this industry.
     
  20. Dec 12, 2006
  21. phynqster

    phynqster Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    los angeles, ca
    From the casino side,
    I stopped asking for paperwork on Neteller deposits, but now seeing how people are lying on their age and such, I guess it is time to go back and start getting all of the paperwork, and making sure it is legible. I believe there is a quote about a few bad apples?
     
  22. Dec 12, 2006
  23. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    San Diego
    Breaking the rules on bonuses in order to hustle them just really seems to defeat the purpose and sport of the "game" that bonus-hustling is to me.

    The only reason I could morally justify it would be if it was the prime source of income for your family. And even then, I bet those guys running Nigerian 419 scams say the same thing.

    You know, if you wanted to be really fair on this, you would prohibit deposits into the casino until identity has been verified, not withdrawals. Then you don't have to worry about the little kids gambling their grandmother's money away, or people gambling (and losing) from a country where it is illegal.

    Don't worry, I won't hold my breath.
     
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  25. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    One case I got involved with earlier this year, the player had opened up 250 accounts to claim the bonus!!! Even more amazing is that it took them 250 times to actually get enough for a cashout, which is when this was actually spotted :D
     
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  26. Dec 12, 2006
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    ..and of course, the casino refunded 249 of the deposits since the accounts were 'illegal'... :D
     
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  29. uninvited_guest

    uninvited_guest Dormant account

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    student
    Location:
    Czech
    I thought this is an watchdog forum, not gamblers forum. If you are making money on bonuses playing different games, your not only bonus abusers, you are hypocrites. Playing slots for cover does not make a difference

    The purpose of this topic in not to wine but to report. The border between beeing bonus abuser and beeing casual player is very thin, especially when you do win, and casinos can bend it as they want. I do not give a f*** whether sportingbet took my money. I only want to report, which casinos semms reputable and which do not.
     
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  31. uninvited_guest

    uninvited_guest Dormant account

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    student
    Location:
    Czech
    Having accounts in different casinos in one group. one account at casino, is not cheating, unless stated in and TC. I used same email address and other information. Nobody complained until I started making money.
     
  32. Dec 12, 2006
  33. mtx

    mtx Dormant account

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    that's because they only want your money.....they dont give a rat's ass about you
     
  34. Dec 12, 2006
  35. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Student
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Your behavior with VIP Casino is "abuse". You misrepresented your nationality so that you could get a bonus. The fact that you actually got the bonus money after the casino made you give the correct information simply means you got lucky.

    I don't consider your actions with the Vegas Partner group as "abuse" unless their T&C specifically stated you had to play in Euros.

    As long as I abide by the T&C of a bonus offer, I am certainly NOT a "bonus abuser". A "bonus hunter", yes. But I don't "abuse" offers by lying about my age, my nationality, my location, my name, etc.

    And I question your definition of what makes a casino "reputable" since some of your actions are quite questionable.
     
  36. Dec 12, 2006
  37. uninvited_guest

    uninvited_guest Dormant account

    Occupation:
    student
    Location:
    Czech
    So what is the difference between beeing bonus abuser and bonus hunter? Creating multiple account in same casino? I do not definitely do that. I am then, not regarding the vip case, bonus hunter.
     
  38. Dec 12, 2006
  39. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    To me, a "bonus abuser" is someone who breaks the rules, acts unethically or tries to exploit lack of security for capital gain.
     
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