Anything is wrong with this guy. If I have the chance to get my money back, and 16`000 Euros is a lot of money for me, I would to anything for it. He don`t want a PAB, well in my opinion something stinks here. Just my 2 cents.
I remember the times when it was allowed to discuss the issues on the forum and making the PAB at the same time.
And the problems were solved much faster. These days even bad choice of words by the OP can increase the chances
of PAB being thrown to the garbage. From the moment the OP publishes his complaint he is shouted at: shut up, shut up, you better shut up!
Just read the archives and see how these same problems were solved at this forum at 2000-2010 years. Everything was much more player-friendly. I wonder what happened?
Suddenly everybody become fraudsters?
A private message was sent to Fortune Lounge rep at 03:25 PM 20th September 2013, still no response, still no reason to make a PAB yet.
Please stop making stories
I remember the times when it was allowed to discuss the issues on the forum and making the PAB at the same time. ... Suddenly everybody become fraudsters?
I also remember the time when Bryan had to tighten up the rules about discussing ongoing PABs because operators began to feel the procedure wasn't fair on them, and it also entrenched positions on both sides making a resolution more difficult.
Gambling Grumbles tends to allow more in the way of discussion during their own mediation procedures, and they often have different outcomes to a PAB. There are operators that are willing to work with Gambling Grumbles, but not CM, and vice versa. Fortune Lounge however IS willing to work with CM.
It would seem that other sites have Fortune Lounge on their warning lists or black lists, yet Beating Bonuses have a number of threads on how to "do" the boni there, despite classing them as "high risk". Many members there bear a grudge because FL are particularly adept at catching them out, and it seems they view "gnoming" as acceptable advantage play, whereas here it is viewed as "crossing the line" that divides advantage play from fraud.
Someone over at BB even said one of their multi accounters went so far as to set up his own notary office in order to get around the increasing trend for requesting notarised documents. I can't quite figure this out as surely one needs to be properly qualified and vetted to be listed as a notary and perform these duties to the satisfaction of those relying on the service to authenticate high value business transactions.
If a rep does not reply to their PM after a reasonable time, then a PAB can still go ahead. When the form has been completed and given the OK by Max, it is sent to the rep, and Max then takes care of managing this side of communications.
Very good post Vinyl
If the bolded statement above doesn't convince the doubters, then I don't know what will.
This is what surprised me the most. I came close in suggesting the possibility of a "corrupt notary", but thought that they would still have had to have entered the profession after having undergone a whole raft of checks. If it really is possible for some ordinary person to just set themselves up as a notary, then the whole concept of requesting notarised documents from suspect players could be dead in the water. The determined fraudsters would have already thought of this and have their own "in ring notary" ready and waiting to notarise the output of whatever Adobe product the multi accounter chose to use.
This makes me think again about that earlier case where even notarised documents were dismissed by the casino from a player with a username reminiscent of the Wimbledon Ladies final when I was a young teen. A legit notary by all accounts, seemingly checking out, but was this the notary to which the BB member was referring?
If this is all in the BB public forum, God knows what they are discussing in the private one. Their mods appear to be asleep at the wheel, as anyone, including the FL rep, can take a wander over there and read all of this.
Getting into the BB private forum seems just a case of signing up at 10 of the casinos promoted there, and "doing the boni", and then asking to be let in after a few useful posts. I understand that the REAL dark stuff isn't there either, but it seems that a slip up by a member, just as in the public forum, might leave a clue as to the next method the multi accounters are up to.
The overwhelming majority of Notaries Public are qualified solicitors or legal practitioners. A Notary Public in London, or elsewhere in England and Wales for that matter, must first complete the Postgraduate Diploma in Notarial Practice.
To the best of our knowledge, the only place offering such a Notary diploma is Cambridge University. The course is conducted as distance learning via the internet and with group teaching sessions at Madingley Hall in Cambridge. It lasts for a two year period, and is open to solicitors and barristers in general private practice, and to those with a recent qualifying law degree and Legal Practice Certificate. All Applicants should hold an up to date and complete Certificate of Exemption obtainable from the Faculty Office of the Archbishop of Canterbury.
There are three core subject areas to study. The area is Roman law, which is covered in year one, along with Private International Law.
Notarial Practice forms the basis for the second year of study.
There are written assignments of 2,000 words for both Roman Law and Private International Law, followed by an examination, and three assignments for the Notarial practice course of 3,000 words each.
The final assessment stage to become a Notary Public is a two hour written exam held in Cambridge.
Edit: This is what Gambling Grumbles had to say about FL just 2 months ago:
"We have said it over and over and over again: Stay away from any casino which belongs to the Fortune Lounge Group. It doesn't matter if it is 7Sultans, Vegas Palms, Vegas Towers, Platinum Play, Desert Dollar, Royal Vegas, Poker Time, or Giggle Bingo -- don't play there.
Francisco S of Brighton, England, learned that lesson the hard way. He played at three Fortune Lounge casinos, getting a bonus each time, and winding up losing his deposits. Okay, he had no problem with that, gambling is gambling and you can always lose. What bothers Francisco (and Gambling Grumbles) is that when he played at Vegas Palms he won and it not only refused to give him his winnings but also kept his deposit."
We are quite aware of the comments on Gambling Grumbles.
If you look at all the complaints on Gambling Grumbles they relate to players whose accounts were locked and winnings confiscated. Here on CM members know that we do not just lock accounts and confiscate winnings without very good reason and after extensive investigations. The players complaining in that forums would have been subjected to the very same investigations.
We made a conscious decision (for several reasons) not to participate in the Gambling Grumbles forum.
From what I read at many forums - you not only confiscate winnings - you also confiscate players' deposits. Tons and tons of players' deposits. And then you refuse to discuss. And you don't discuss anything at this forum too. Look at this thread- you just ignored the OP and his complaint.
I've worked with Wim for several years now on many dozens of PAB cases. In my opinion they are thorough and fair when it comes to their handling of player issues. It is true that FL has a somewhat aggressive policy towards fraudsters but then they're trying to deter such activities and I'd say that the confiscation of deposits is most certainly an effective deterrent. The idea that a fraudster should be treated like any other player is foolishness and the FL group are well within their rights to make exceptions, and examples, of them.