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Ho Ho Ho P4F at Laddies not paying all winning lines.

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by loganberry, Dec 14, 2007.

    Dec 14, 2007
  1. loganberry

    loganberry Dormant account

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    Was playing at Laddies - 45p per spin - when I noticed that some of the winning lines were not paying. This also happened once with 2 gift boxes.

    At first I thought perhaps they just weren't making sweet music. :D But no, they were definitely not paying out.

    Is this indicative of a more serious, underlying problem? Not sure I understand how this could happenstance, unless a certain set of circumstances triggers a rogue bit of code.
     
  2. Dec 14, 2007
  3. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    Can you elaborate a little bit, or do you have a screenshot? What paylines were not winning, and are you sure you had all 15 selected?
     
  4. Dec 14, 2007
  5. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    See if you can get a screenshot (ALT+PrtScn) of it when it doesn't pay when it should. I played this earlier (not at Laddies) this week and din't notice anything amiss. I noticed something odd this week is winning (well, coming 2nd in) a slot tournament at All Jackpots - should have given me $3 and only gave me $2.48. I doubt the issues are linked though.
     
  6. Dec 14, 2007
  7. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    Ah, taxes... :rolleyes:
     
  8. Dec 18, 2007
  9. loganberry

    loganberry Dormant account

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    I was definitely playing all 15 lines, and the payline causing the problems was Line 12

    I first noticed it when I had 3 milk and cookies in the first 3 positions of line 12. I remember looking at the screen and thinking, 'that should have paid', and then almost simultaneously....perhaps not. At this point I didn't check the payout table as it was only P4F after all, and I wasn't entirely sure what I had seen.

    Then a few spins later, I realised that 2 gift boxes also hadn't paid out, but I was too quick with the spin button. However, in answer to SlotsWizard's question relating to the number of lines selected, scatters are not line dependant, so they should have paid out irrespective of the number of lines being played.

    From there on in I proceeded to watch the screenplay like a hawk.

    And a few spins later, along came another non-paying 3 milk and cookies combination on line 12. This time I checked the payout table. There was something definitely wrong here, so I decided to take a screenshot.

    And literally just as I was clicking on PrtSC, along comes IE with a now familiar message...'IE has encountered an error and is now shutting down....'' :eek2:

    So no screenshot. I guess without that there is nothing else to do but to forget all about it until it happens again. However I do find it very worrying. I noticed the problem with line 12 and with the gift box payout, but there may have been more non-paying valid combinations that I missed.

    If I had been using autospin I never would have seen it, and and that really is disturbing. All these problems spinning automatically by unnoticed. :eek:
     
  10. Dec 18, 2007
  11. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Except we don't pay taxes on winnings in the UK :confused:
     
  12. Dec 18, 2007
  13. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    Yeah, yeah, rub it in, you lucky [Br|sh]it! :p :D


    Loganberry - Ho Ho Ho is a 'gamble' game. Is it possible that it's not updating your balance until you click the Collect button?

    For example, if you get 2 boxes that pays 1x your bet. So if that win is "pending" (waiting to be gambled or collected), and you click Spin (which implicitly collects it and then subtracts that same amount to pay for the next spin), it will look like your balance stayed the same. If getting 3 milk & cookies pays 15x the line bet, it would have the same effect as getting 2 scatter boxes, if my hunch is correct.
     
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  14. Dec 18, 2007
  15. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    And you can always use playcheck to see if you are paid correctly.
     
  16. Dec 18, 2007
  17. loganberry

    loganberry Dormant account

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    Chuchu59, unfortunately logs are not kept for P4F.

    I thought of that, SlotsWizard, but no...that was not the case. What alerted me to the fact that something was wrong in the first place was that there was no music indicating a win in the first two instances, and then no 'Ho Ho Ho' from Mr Claus (the last bet was 1 Mr Claus and 2 milk and cookies), so I pressed collect just in case. It did not update.

    However, no screen shot = no proof, so I will have to let it go. In future though I am going to keep a very very close eye on this game, particularly when I go back to playing it for real.

    I remember when I first started doing the Fixed Odds (WillHill or Ladbrokes), I dutifully had to calculate the 7% tax (or whatever it was) against my bet size, otherwise when I won (and it was usually was 'when' back then) I would have had to pay it on my winnings. :eek:

    However as there was no tax on online gaming, the government recognised that tax also had to be removed from High Street betting to make it competitive with online gaming.

    Ironic, eh, in the light of the US situation.
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2007
  18. Dec 18, 2007
  19. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Oops. Sorry, didnt notice this was P4F.
     
  20. Dec 18, 2007
  21. SlotsWizard

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    In free-play in the download version you can get Playcheck data for the current session. I think it disappears once you disconnect.

    Not sure if the same applies for the Flash version, which I think is what Loganberry was playing.
     
  22. Dec 19, 2007
  23. vinylweatherman

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    Microgaming P4F stores the data locally. I found this out by experiment.

    You need 2 computers for this, and install the same MG download casino on each. I used Golden Reef.

    On computer 1, deposit and play a slot such as "Ho Ho Ho" until you have the free spins. Disconnect. According to MG rules, the free spins should stay until you reconnect. Reconnect, and check. The free spins will be there. Also make a note of your balance.

    Now, over to computer 2, log in to the same P4F account, and take note, you will find NO free spins and NO balance preserved between computers.

    Go back to computer 1, and you will have your free spins and balance as they were when you played on computer one.

    The ONLY thing P4F uses the server for is generating the results of each game, this can be shown by disconnecting the internet cable and spinning the reels, they just spin, so are not using the local RNG, but the one on the server.

    It is possible that the problem is a display bug, and not a "real" non-payment of a winline. This can be checked with Playcheck, which IS stored for P4F on download Golden Reef.

    I will see if I can reproduce this "line 12" problem there, as if I can it points to the possibility of an MG bug, rather than a corrupt installation on one PC.
    There IS a display bug on Thunderstruck, and it frequently locks on "-1 spins left" with the first two reels stopped and the other three spinning forever. This is linked to the autoplay bug that means the selection of "quickspin" has no effect at first. I have found this display bug is triggered when a spin during free spins hits, or exceeds, the "stop when balance exceeds...." options in autoplay. The slot does a "double jump" through 2 results, and this causes the display to lock, or to suddenly start to run the spins ignoring the quickspin option.
    Microgaming don't give a rat's a*** about this, it has been reported for two years, and has never been in the frame for being fixed in the upgrades.
    They give MANY MANY rat's a***s when problems affect the CASINO, such as where a bug allows players to exploit a flaw in the code in some way.
    This was the case when EZBonus first came out, there was an exploitable flaw that was fixed within a few weeks, not that players were complaining about it. When they plugged this loophole, they created an error that worked in favour of the casino. (The one where you deposit into a zero balance, and suddenly the WR returns from the long lost previous bonus as you see your fresh deposit turn partly to bonus chips). Have they fixed this, NO!! It has been complained about on this forum, and one complaint went to eCogra, but all they do is make corrections on an individual basis provided players notice, and jump through the hoops of convincing CS there IS an error (I just don't bother, too much trouble - but I know the bug exists, and know how to minimise it's effects by making a small deppsit to "clear the cobwebs" before making further deposits - even 10 chips from comps will do the trick, it will change to bonus money, but the bug won't then affect the next deposit unless you are REALLY unlucky).
     
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