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Discussion in 'Casinomeister's Poker Room' started by jstrike, Mar 15, 2011.

    Mar 15, 2011
  1. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Programmer & Designer
    Location:
    Europe
    Alright so I wasn't so much gonna blow the lid off this idea yet, but like usual...I'm a fuckup.

    it's 6:45 am here, my girlfriend's sick, I've been taking care of her and 1-1/2 bottles of wine later I'm not really thinking straight.

    Okay. You read this far. Here's the thing. I have this bot system built into my software, into sapphire. Actually what it is, it's a bot I wrote that's integrated with the system, and it can play on bot-friendly tables on the software. But I didn't write how it plays. I wrote a piece of code that analyzes the play strategies of the best real players on the site and then applies them to whatever situation comes up. It's kind of fun 'cause right now I've only got two personalities on there, one is my brother, and when he plays against himself as a bot he's completely screwed by it. It works pretty well.

    So I'm thinking I want to add a few more personalities to these bots but the only way I can do it is to have a whole bunch of hands for the bots to analyze. Meanwhile I'm trying to raise money for the software. So I don't have a lot of money to give away right now.

    What I'm thinking is maybe I could do something like this. Set up a series of 3 freerolls where the whole pot is only like $300 or something. But the top 2 players get to have their personalities turned into bots, and get to keep 10% of their bot-personality's winnings on the site, on all tables, forever, once we actually get launched and start having real games.

    Anyone interested?
     
  2. Mar 15, 2011
  3. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Why do you need bots in your software to begin with?

    I thought the idea of poker is people vs people? Id be pissed if I found out I was playing against a computer.
     
  4. Mar 15, 2011
  5. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    12th man
    Location:
    Australia
    Alright so I wasn't so much gonna blow the lid off this idea yet, but like usual...I'm a fuckup.

    it's 6:45 am here, my girlfriend's sick, I've been taking care of her and 1-1/2 bottles of wine later I'm not really thinking straight.

    Okay. You read this far. Here's the thing. I have this bot system built into my software, into sapphire. Actually what it is, it's a bot I wrote that's integrated with the system, and it can play on bot-friendly tables on the software. But I didn't write how it plays. I wrote a piece of code that analyzes the play strategies of the best real players on the site and then applies them to whatever situation comes up. It's kind of fun 'cause right now I've only got two personalities on there, one is my brother, and when he plays against himself as a bot he's completely screwed by it. It works pretty well.

    So I'm thinking I want to add a few more personalities to these bots but the only way I can do it is to have a whole bunch of hands for the bots to analyze. Meanwhile I'm trying to raise money for the software. So I don't have a lot of money to give away right now.

    What I'm thinking is maybe I could do something like this. Set up a series of 3 freerolls where the whole pot is only like $300 or something. But the top 2 players get to have their personalities turned into bots, and get to keep 10% of their bot-personality's winnings on the site, on all tables, forever, once we actually get launched and start having real games.

    Anyone interested


    I will eat your BOT- last 13 cash tournaments I have been in I have cashed out 9 times- bubbles twice and lost the others fair and spaure. Im so on the cards right now.
     
  6. Mar 15, 2011
  7. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    12th man
    Location:
    Australia
    If you were good at the game you wouldnt even consider a BOT- this pretty muchs tells the story here I think.
     
  8. Mar 15, 2011
  9. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Programmer & Designer
    Location:
    Europe
    Uh, before you attack me...you don't understand.

    I spent the last 3 years writing poker/casino software that I'm trying to launch as a site. I'm a poker player myself, and I don't like playing against bots, and I don't think they should be allowed at money tables with real players, but I also think the guys who write bots should have somewhere to go to test them out with each other, and real players should be able to play against them if they want to, knowing that they're bots because they're marked that way.

    So my bots are house bots that will play against player bots and any players who feel like going onto the bot tables at the site to play against them. Does that make more sense?

    [edit] and just to be clear, the software always marks bots as bots, so you know who you're playing against. This is because bots are inevitable and they're not bad for a casino, but they are bad for players. What that means is we need them to follow certain rules: Always be marked as bots, and always stay on the bot tables.[/e]
     
  10. Mar 15, 2011
  11. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Did you guys read the article over the weekend on bots in the New York Times?
     
  12. Mar 15, 2011
  13. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    Here is one I found.

    The New Gambler: Poker Bots
    BUT THEY STILL CAN'T BEAT THE BEST HUMANS

    (NEWSER) – Online poker’s not just for humans anymore: Robots have entered the game, and they’re winning tens of thousands, the New York Times reports. Such bots have existed for a while—but only recently have they gotten good at the game, thanks to advances in artificial intelligence. Top game sites like PokerStars and Full Tilt are fighting back against the bots, cutting some accounts and in some cases returning vast quantities of money to real players.

    Bots are easy to buy online. One seller notes that some 400 of his customers are barred from Full Tilt, which is thus losing $70,000 in monthly revenue, he says. “They really must have wanted us gone,” though other sites aren't cracking down. But despite advances, “more than 90%” of the bots are bad, and “are losing money,” says a consultant. A professor observes that they “can rival good players, but not the best—yet.”
    By Matt Cantor
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
    2 people like this.
  14. Mar 15, 2011
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    As long as bots can't be programed to be sore losers, like the pillock who had a go at me last night (called me and idiot & a donk) for calling his raise when I had 4-5 suited and made the flush which beat him... then I'm all for them! :p

    (BTW I went on to win the SnG - not bad for an idiot donk!)

    KK
     
  16. Mar 15, 2011
  17. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    So the ONLY safeguard a real player has is that you are promising to 'mark' them as bots. You are asking players to 100% trust that you won't employ them ' unmarked' to improve your bottom line. Not very encouraging.

    Also, you offer the winners 10% of winnings generated by their 'bot' in a poker room that, by your own admission, probably won't ever get started.

    I enjoy reading your progress posts, but i still think you are barking up the wrong tree. Sell it and let someone else take all the risks.
     
  18. Mar 15, 2011
  19. baldidiot

    baldidiot Experienced Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    London
    Ha ha. In cash games I intentionally make out-of-odds calls on guys like this - when you hit they have a melt down and then come after you, then their chips are pretty much yours. :D
     
  20. Mar 15, 2011
  21. Repro

    Repro Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Financial
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Hey Jstrike, I understand what you are trying to do here but i think it's not gonna work. Although the idea of a "bot only" table is quite unique, IMO people like to have some influence on the game themselves.

    I'm a very decent pokerplayer and i loooooooove money :rolleyes: but it seems better if you try and launch your project first before starting with things like this.

    Frank
     
  22. Mar 15, 2011
  23. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    I guess this is the change of the times in the World today.
    All I can say is you can keep them poker bots.
    "The New Generation Of The World"
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  24. Mar 15, 2011
  25. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Programmer & Designer
    Location:
    Europe
    Nifty, any poker room could run bots, or allow quietly allow players to run them, and not tell anyone about it. I think if a casino was totally open about it and had a strict policy that it only takes place on bot-tables, that would improve confidence. Also, these bots don't chat or try to act human. And also when I wrote the code for them, I also wrote some really crazy statistical analysis for detecting all kinds of bots.

    Anyway the bots probably won't improve the bottom line, and you're right that 10% of anything that doesn't exist ain't much. I was more tossing the idea out because I thought players might think it was fun or interesting to have a bot custom-modeled on their personality. Kind of a vanity thing.

    Never mind, I guess. No one really seems into it.

    Thanks Frank. I'm gettin the feeling you're probably right. I need to watch out what kindsa ideas I throw around when I've had a few too many... feeling a little green right now, more ways than one actually...
     

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