Higher stakes screenshots on various megaways games

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I did mention on another post about posting my videos somewhere which I have tried to do but it’s saying file to large so instead I have just posted screenshots of final outcome..

From what I have gathered on these megaways games the average return appears to be around the x80-x100 mark....

All of these are at higher stakes than the average seem to play and are over the past few days.....
 

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Am I missing something here but isn’t 80-100x pretty much in line with average expectations for this feature. I’m sure someone has said average return for a 12 spin feature on Bonanza was something like 95x stake.

Surely the sheer volume of players at lower stakes would cover a lot of higher wins. Not sure how often a 500x feature win would be expected to land for example. I know I don’t play exhaustively on Bonanza but have played the clones such as Extra Chilli quite a bit and even at £20-30 buys (of which I’ve had quite a few) I’ve hardly ever had a huge win, even with 24 spins. Biggest was admittedly over 500x but that was a one off.
 

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For me I think it's just where you play more often, I normally play in the 40p-£1 stakes so most of my huge wins have been in this Area. I only ever play £2 plus if up or on tilt so the likelihood of a big win is reduced.
 

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couple of nice hits there people....

we can all only go on experience which for me is quite a lot of years and i just feel there is a pattern...
I played some lower stakes today on the new mystery reels megaways.... hit the feature a few times and although nothing spectacular they were all between 50x and 120x stakes with the exception of one.(which was pants)

obviously im aware that people do hit big on bigger stakes i just feel the "average" significantly reduces from personal experience.

I have hit probably 10 or more 1000x features on the megaways games.... not a single time was on anything over £2
and there is no way i play those stakes 10x less frequently.

I have been fairly lucky of late to hit quite a few features cheaply on higher stakes but only 1 has hit what we appear to say is the average sorta wins, none exceed and most are woeful especially as i had 3 features on the bounce on "who wants to file for bankrupty" with 4 feature symbols... all of which were pityful!!

so i thought i would use this almost as a log to see how it tracks, the reason i started it was that i could have posted 20 or more screenshots of pants wins over the past few weeks and not one good one and so i decided to start to screenshot them....
I seem to be in a perpetual cycle at the moment.... deposit a couple of hundred....
win a few nice wins
withdraw the 200 and have a fairly nice pot to start increasing stakes
hit shit features or no features
lose
go to sleep !!!

and repeat...
 

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and in response to the screen shots....
although some nice wins.... you cant see what the stake is on the $13k one im guessing $20 but all the others although nice for sure are only 300-600x wins....

how many people here (and this is a question) have hit £400 wins or more at 40p or £1k or more at £1

cos i have hit them quite a few times and this is sort of my point...
£6k is a nice win but i feel like if you had that same feature on a lower stake the return pro rata would be greater from my experience (ie a big feature on smaller stakes plays a higher xstake, but on larger stakes the amount seems more )
 

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and in response to the screen shots....
although some nice wins.... you cant see what the stake is on the $13k one im guessing $20 but all the others although nice for sure are only 300-600x wins....

how many people here (and this is a question) have hit £400 wins or more at 40p or £1k or more at £1

cos i have hit them quite a few times and this is sort of my point...
£6k is a nice win but i feel like if you had that same feature on a lower stake the return pro rata would be greater from my experience (ie a big feature on smaller stakes plays a higher xstake, but on larger stakes the amount seems more )

Thing is, i presume the bulk of folk in here are low-medium rollers: if i've a decent run i will up my stakes to 5-10 quid. But bear in mind that, even if i win 400 off 40p, those 5 quid bets or above may only last 25-50 spins(if i plan on going 150 quid of them). In that time it's going to be very hard to get a. a bonus and then, even if you do, b. a good one.

I would like to take 200k and run with 10 quid bets just to test it, but that's not gonna happen :)
 

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i get your point but i think it sorta misses mine!!

we all have shit features but its fair to say the community agree that a game like bonanza sits around the 80-120 x mark for a feature....
and i would agree with that .......... on lower stakes....

my experience (and thats why im starting to log it) is that the average decreases significantly... and although its only a starting point on this thread immediately its showing that.... only 1 of the features hits in those margins...

i only tend to stake 100th of my balance ish.... this can be very ish!! however its not hitting the features i have a problem with its making it worth hitting the features !!

as i put on another post a while back.... i hit feature on bonanza first spin having increased to £10

not only that..... i hit 6 golds

not only that i got a repeat early on!! 27 bloody spins..... holy shitballs i thought...

£800!!!

i was gutted....

and this is my thing... £800 for 1 spin is good but in context thats awful and i defy someone playing 40p spin and hitting 27 spins to show me a feature result of £32 which is what it equates too
 

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Stake on the £13k win was £10 a spin. That's the max on that slot. I wouldn't normally play like that but had some base wins and decided to go for it!
 

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If the avg bonus pay is 100x and the minimum is 0x and the max is potentially uncapped but lets say 3000x then its clear that a large majority of bonuses are going to be below 100x . Would prob be better to quote the median pay than the average .
So if you have like 10 high stakes bonuses then it's pretty easy oddswise for them all to seem subpar .
 

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but in theory its equally as easy for them to be Par or above par! but thats seldom the way....

i have played a couple of low stakes sessions over past couple of days

hit 2 x 500x ish features out of around 5/6 features hit...

only a small sample as features have been few and far between of late but still leans towards to the trend im implying
 

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So decided to play lower stakes for a few days

See what happened ...
 

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Sasukdcf

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99256AB6-D9DF-4A70-8DEA-CDA255610380.png And then increased stakes and finally hit a feature with potential..

50 spins with a huge multiplier

So to get back £1k when in essence most of those spins equates to playing at over £100 a spin is bullshit...

On the face of it I won a grand but in reality I got a 100x feature

Yet playing lower stakes there were 300x 500x 750 x all over the show.

No one gonna convince me that the general rule appears that the higher you stake the lower your return from features generally speaking
 

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Hi you have trancemonkey stating that this cannot happen, many players have disputed this over years of playing. Maybe a read of that thread may help.
 

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Read it and had half a discussion about it

Doesnt change the fact that 15 years of playing high stakes and had one decent win that matches the many many many I have had at lower stakes....

I often refer to this but on six appeal I hit a dream feature £20 spin 256 spins with a x27 multiplier so £540 a spin.

Jackpot on this game is 40,000 x line bet so £40k

I hit £8k

I cannot accept if that was at .20p stake it would have been £80 sorry just don’t buy it
 

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It’s a bit of both but rigged is not the right word... my argument has always been that I think the higher you stake the average feature value drops.

I’m not saying the RTP reduces and despite trancemonkey saying this doesn’t happen and can’t happen it certainly appears to from experience and the fact is that if a player hits a £2K win at £10 stake then they think happy days and all is good but in reality it’s only a 200x win and there are a hell of a lot more examples of bigger wins at lower stakes which I also realise is partly down to more people playing lower stakes...

Myself and a friend played an awful lot on 6 appeal together him on low stakes and me on higher stakes but playing the same percentages so me playing with a £400 pot on £4 for instance and him a £40 pot on .40p

We did this countless times and the result was the same 99/100 times which was he would hit way way more features than me and I would hit more basewins and very very few features and the ones I did hit were fair to poor at best....

My argument has always been that games play differently and that’s all I want to get clarification on..: cos you can see it and it’s blatant... doesn’t mean they are rigged as such but on the same token I think it’s wrong to mask the fact.

And from a casinos point of view you can understand why they may want to limit higher stakes players from hitting big wins... a lucky streak at high stakes could hit them hard...

As a higher stakes player I have swings like we all do but I can literally count on one hand the times I have had a large bankroll...

We are talking years now since I built up a pot and played on and hit anything...

On all my accounts 2k appears to be the limit and from there if I continue at high stakes it just evaporates!!

I tend to withdraw nowadays as I have literally lost count of the times ive spunked a 2-3k bankroll and hit nothing!
 
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