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Tirilej

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You have players who have won 200k using a bonus that is capped at 6x? You must give some large bonuses out.
Why not just specify the figure, you haven't told me anything. Way more than €100? If I was playing €5 a spin then I would certainly hope it was over €100. Having said that if I was playing €0.10 a spin then I would think €100 was a large win, but hey, anyones guess isn't it.

There is a max cashout on bonuses of £5k so I have no clue what he's talking about. The 6x is just the welcome bonus.
 

lockinlove

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Wouldnt play here myself. One of the reasons, their bonus terms are longer than a Stephen King book.

I dont buy into this its becoming more acceptable and normal crap either. Considering the UK isnt the only market in the world, I dont buy it at all. Its nothing more than the old gowild casino crappy terms. Its a casino acting shady.

I have seen many casinos over time specify certain bonus terms for certain countries that have different laws. These so called 'normal' terms could easily have a UK section to it only. It certainly wouldnt be the first time.

Nobody has to play here. But its good people have made all the lurkers aware this casinos terms are a disaster.
 

aceking123

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Max term has always been at this site. I played a long time here & made the VIP cut but to many silly rules & poor gaming & a rep VIP who was only ever interested in giving out match bonuses killed it for me.

It's a stupid rule like with many other casinos but players have a choice vote with your wallet. I must say they always paid not the quickest but was getting better & better at speeds.
 

Jono777

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Having had a brief timeout and deeper think about this, I think I have found a solution which may appeal to some (casinos and players).

How about no bonuses at the time of deposits BUT a loyalty type scheme where a cash amount (not bonus, no wagering, no restrictions) is added per calendar month, dependent of course upon the account activity BUT regardless of win/loss.

For example, if a player deposits £500 in a month at casino 'x' then the 1st of next month they get 5% cash, so in this case £25.

Could have some simple terms like total =<100 then nothing is added, max award is £100 etc

Novibet do something a little like this already but this idea would have to be based on deposits rather than wagers as I see (and experience) plenty of dead sessions these days so chance of fast busts = not much wagering. At least based on deposits (month total) players would have a guaranteed "little something" to look forward to ?

Just the bones of an idea at the moment but an idea I feel could be tweaked to work maybe???
 

Tirilej

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That's the thing Jono. All casinos are deciding what kind of promotions they want to stand out. These have chosen bonuses and that's fine, while others have cashback or other loyalty things.
As long as the rules are clear and fair it's a good thing that we have a lot of different choices.
 

goatwack

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Having had a brief timeout and deeper think about this, I think I have found a solution which may appeal to some (casinos and players).

How about no bonuses at the time of deposits BUT a loyalty type scheme where a cash amount (not bonus, no wagering, no restrictions) is added per calendar month, dependent of course upon the account activity BUT regardless of win/loss.

For example, if a player deposits £500 in a month at casino 'x' then the 1st of next month they get 5% cash, so in this case £25.

Could have some simple terms like total =<100 then nothing is added, max award is £100 etc

Novibet do something a little like this already but this idea would have to be based on deposits rather than wagers as I see (and experience) plenty of dead sessions these days so chance of fast busts = not much wagering. At least based on deposits (month total) players would have a guaranteed "little something" to look forward to ?

Just the bones of an idea at the moment but an idea I feel could be tweaked to work maybe???
5% you say? I suppose the idea of having that £1 at the end of the month does sound good....That's 11 spins on DOA, maybe 12 with some luck :p
 

brianmon

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Actually thinking about things a little more, 5% is asking a bit much, no seriously :rolleyes:

A better idea, I become chairman of the UKGC :D

Casino people wouldn't like that. You might get it at 10% a week. But probably not even 5% for a month.
A small weekly amount, which is more likely to be spent along with your next deposit, than withdrawn. Is preferable to them than a larger monthly sum, which is more likely to be withdrawn -

Hence VideoSlots business model
 

Supababe

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For what it’s worth, here’s my viewpoint...

For me the 2 UK facing ‘go-to’ casinos are VS and Skyvegas ....

Neither have a max cashout on bonuses, silly WR or rediculously long list of games you can’t play.

Both have many promos and things to give/earn. Both have a great selection of games. Skyvegas even do instant withdrawals to my visa.

So, I’m summary, unless I’m mistaken, these are highly successful casinos who are moving forward without all of the issues mentioned in the last few pages (blah blah percentages blah blah UKGC blah blah welcome bonuses blah blah). X
 

pinnit2014

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For what it’s worth, here’s my viewpoint...

For me the 2 UK facing ‘go-to’ casinos are VS and Skyvegas ....

Neither have a max cashout on bonuses, silly WR or rediculously long list of games you can’t play.

Both have many promos and things to give/earn. Both have a great selection of games. Skyvegas even do instant withdrawals to my visa.

So, I’m summary, unless I’m mistaken, these are highly successful casinos who are moving forward without all of the issues mentioned in the last few pages (blah blah percentages blah blah UKGC blah blah welcome bonuses blah blah). X

And SV throw in the odd deposit bonus with low wagering (though their 10p Ted scratchcards don’t get the blood pumping). Same with LandL - no restricted games with offerings.
Linking this casinos poor offers to UKGC rules is tenuous at best.
 

Tengil

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To give an example of how bad the max of 6xbonus is:

100+100 with 6x max 3e bets on HV 96% RTP and 35xB gives an EV of -10

100+100 no max and same as above gives an EV of +49

even at 70xB the EV would be a bit over 30 but of course with a much higher bust rate.
 

brianmon

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To give an example of how bad the max of 6xbonus is:

100+100 with 6x max 3e bets on HV 96% RTP and 35xB gives an EV of -10

100+100 no max and same as above gives an EV of +49

even at 70xB the EV would be a bit over 30 but of course with a much higher bust rate.
Are you taking into account that, in this case, the 100 cash is not tied to the wagering? The bonus is a 'second chance' should you lose your deposit.

Although, I don't see the connection between a 6x max conversion and no max. Playing through the bonus will be identical for both cases
 

colinsunderland

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And SV throw in the odd deposit bonus with low wagering (though their 10p Ted scratchcards don’t get the blood pumping). Same with LandL - no restricted games with offerings.
Linking this casinos poor offers to UKGC rules is tenuous at best.

Yes I had a 25% on SV the other day, deposited 300, 75 bonus with 5 x wagering. Equals 1 x D&B wagering.
 

dunover

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Yes I had a 25% on SV the other day, deposited 300, 75 bonus with 5 x wagering. Equals 1 x D&B wagering.

Yes, SV have some really generous offers for existing players, possibly the best out there. Shame they're grey (or rogue?) here due to their lack of maintaining an interest in the forum and affiliate shafting but for players you cannot argue their retention with offers of this type. Then again, they are massive and can afford them.
 

colinsunderland

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Yes, SV have some really generous offers for existing players, possibly the best out there. Shame they're grey (or rogue?) here due to their lack of maintaining an interest in the forum and affiliate shafting but for players you cannot argue their retention with offers of this type. Then again, they are massive and can afford them.

Maybe they should be removed from the rogue pit as 32Red/Unibet etc have done the exact same thing and are still accredited
 

Tengil

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Are you taking into account that, in this case, the 100 cash is not tied to the wagering? The bonus is a 'second chance' should you lose your deposit.

Although, I don't see the connection between a 6x max conversion and no max. Playing through the bonus will be identical for both cases

Well that't only for UK I guess. In that case the bonus itself would have an EV of around 41 (max 6x) and around 70 for the no max. Again the same conditions as my previous example (which btw had RTP set to 96,4 and not 96).
Bust rate would be over 90% though so lowering bets to 1 would be better for the 6x max as the EV slightly increases and the bust rate gets slightly lower (still very high).

And a 6x max obviously always takes away the really big gains so it makes sense to decrease bet size and not play it like a no max.

And EV for a cashable bonus is EV = bonus - (average wagering x house edge) in case anyone is interested.
 

brianmon

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Well that't only for UK I guess. In that case the bonus itself would have an EV of around 41 (max 6x) and around 70 for the no max. Again the same conditions as my previous example (which btw had RTP set to 96,4 and not 96).
Bust rate would be over 90% though so lowering bets to 1 would be better for the 6x max as the EV slightly increases and the bust rate gets slightly lower (still very high).

And a 6x max obviously always takes away the really big gains so it makes sense to decrease bet size and not play it like a no max.

And EV for a cashable bonus is EV = bonus - (average wagering x house edge) in case anyone is interested.

As far as I'm aware, the 6x max conversion is ONLY for the UK (with separate cash and bonus balances), and only for the welcome bonus
 

Tirilej

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As far as I'm aware, the 6x max conversion is ONLY for the UK (with separate cash and bonus balances), and only for the welcome bonus

Exactly! The rest of us have the 6x deposit but we have it all tied in, and so also for all other bonuses they are offering us. (not the 6x deposit) We do have the same wagering though and the same games restricted as far as I know. That's why I said that it feels like the rest of the world is paying your taxes.
 

Tengil

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As far as I'm aware, the 6x max conversion is ONLY for the UK (with separate cash and bonus balances), and only for the welcome bonus

As Tirilej said the 6x max is for all countries and with much worse conditions. 100+100 with 6x max and 60xB wagering is beyond bad as in this case its actually better to play with straight cash. One of the worst SUBs I have seen and a clear sign that this casino should be avoided.
 

brianmon

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As Tirilej said the 6x max is for all countries and with much worse conditions. 100+100 with 6x max and 60xB wagering is beyond bad as in this case its actually better to play with straight cash. One of the worst SUBs I have seen and a clear sign that this casino should be avoided.
Actually, having just checked the bonus terms for myself. The max conversion for UK players is even worse at 3x deposit amount and 60xB wr

  • Where any Welcome Bonus has been granted to you, you shall be entitled to request a withdrawal of your bonus winnings only once you have met all wagering requirements, and you will be limited to a maximum bonus winnings withdrawal value of 3 (three) times your original deposit amount connected to any Welcome Bonus and any remaining balance will be forfeited unless you request that all of your withdrawal be returned to your account for further wagering.
Although, they will remove the 3x limit, should you manage to wager 100x D+B.
But since the general bonus terms state that the maximum withdrawal from ANY bonus is £5,000. you're still capped at 50x
 

brianmon

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How convenient you posted today.
I had a problem at Ikibu late last night. I made a small deposit of £30, which showed an error. So I tried again with £20. That also gave an error.
So I when to log out, to deposit elsewhere, when I noticed the £20 had actually been credited to my account, plus the £10 (50% bonus) which I accepted.
So I started playing. A few minutes later, the original £30 deposit was also added to my balance (without any bonus).
So i basically ended up depositing £50 with a 20% bonus, rather than £30 with a 50% bonus.
Luckily, I managed to play it through, and withdraw £50.

How can both deposits show errors, and then the second deposit arrive in my account before the first deposit?

And I'm still waiting to hear about this incident.

After it was eventually picked up here by Yaker, I had an email from 'chief Ikki' asking for the times and date of the deposits, even though all the information is all listed in my transaction history and confirms the sequence of events that I stated here. But I replied with all the details

I then got an email marked "Your ticket is now solved!"
saying....

"Thank you for your email.
I have already provided all information to tech team.
I'll revert back to you as soon as possible."

Why ask for the information again, if you've already given it to the tech team, and why mark it as case solved?

I then got an email asking me to rate their service, presumably automated, since they've marked the case as solved

WTF
 
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