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Help make this The ULTIMATE SLOT STRATEGY Thread

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by why0why, Aug 1, 2005.

    Aug 1, 2005
  1. why0why

    why0why Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Computers
    Location:
    USA
    Hi all!

    I am relatively new to the online casino scene, but I have become interested in slots lately, specifically MicroGaming. I have had dialog on threads and PMs with some of the regulars. I experimented and found a strategy that seems to be working for me and I was interested in other strategies. I am a fairly low roller and I have consistently been making $200-$400 a week over the last month. To the average working stiff, thats not bad side income. I do enjoy the slots, but I am mainly playing for income. I am also getting into holdem and making money there, but that is another story :)

    What I wanted to do is make a comprehensive strategy thread. I thought the regulars could post their winning strategies. Here are some of the things I would like to see included:

    Starting Bankroll
    Play with Bonuses?
    Usual Bet
    Favorite games
    General observations on slot behavior
    What percentage of sessions are a winner?
    Favorite Casinos
    And any other info you think is pertinent

    Ill go first:

    I am a bonus hunter, so my starting bankroll is anywhere from $100 to $250 usually. My bet amount is normally in the 45c to 50c range at $100. For maximum playability, about .5% of your bankroll per bet seems to be a good number to start with. So at $100, I usually start around 50c and keep it there until I go either up or down $50 then adjust accordingly. If I feel a machine is hot and paying regularly, I may adjust up.

    I generally play MG bonus slots and occasionally, non bonus. I click on game type twice and sort them by lines, highest at the top. I have a few favorites, but I change slots regularly. Typically, I put them on expert and hit the 5x auto play. If I dont hit anything, I immediately leave. If I make back half of my initial spins, I usually manually spin twice and see what the slot is doing. If I make back most of my bet, or a profit, I spin 5 more. I continue that until it stops paying out, then I move on.

    I am aware of statistics and the gamblers fallacy that each bet is completely independent of the previous bet. But it appears to me that slots are streaky. As an experiment, spin 5X and when you dont hit anything at all, spin 5X more and observe how often you hit anything decent. It appears to me that if I didnt hit anything after that initial 5, then I didn't hit anything for a good while. I have observed this over tens of thousands of spins in the last month.

    Nostalgia and Platinum Play have been my favorite casinos so far. The only thing I don't like about Nostalgia is they have a 48 hour reverse withdrawal and they won't flush on request. But good connection, and they have lowered the coin amounts on some slots that most MG casinos keep higher.

    I would say that about every other session is profitable. I do calculate money I have lost at other casinos in that profit.

    I hope to hear from everyone, lets make it a comprehensive thread.
     
  2. Aug 2, 2005
  3. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

    Location:
    Haverhill
    (Disclaimer ... I'm not railing on anyone for discussing gambling strategies for entertainment purposes ... but a few things that the original poster said bother me)

    Each slot pull is an independent event. I don't care what trends you've "observed" over thousands of hands. Unless you can accurately characterize some bias using hard statistics ... you're just chasing smoke.

    Play the slots for entertainment. But realize that you're going to lose money at a clip of around $2 for every $100 wagered.

    Sorry to derail your thread. I just get nervous when I hear someone state that their primary interest in gambling is to make money ... and then start talking about trend analysis. The only way to make money is through advantage play ... and doing that with slot bonuses is doable, but a bit tricky.
     
  4. Aug 2, 2005
  5. paul02085

    paul02085 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Mgmt
    Location:
    USA
    If making money is the goal, I think the Ultimate Slot Strategy is dont play.

    Dont get me wrong, i love to play slots, but for fun not expecting to make money in the long run.
     
  6. Aug 2, 2005
  7. elscrabinda

    elscrabinda Experienced Member PABnorogue PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    jvonsofdmpvs
    Location:
    Oxford
    While we're at it I've got a great strategy for roulette- Put 1 on Red and double up blah di blah etc etc

    Thousands of pounds guaranteed!!!!
     
  8. Aug 2, 2005
  9. tim5ny

    tim5ny Quit Gambling

    This strategy works every time on slots..... GUARANTEED! Buy your own slot machine and keep the key in your pocket. When you need money.. open the machine and take your losses back.
     
  10. Aug 2, 2005
  11. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Casino apologist
    Location:
    England
    Slots are a great money maker - for casinos and affiliates.

    Slots are the same as a change machine where you put in a dollar bill and get out 95 cents. All the rest is variance.

    Don't be a sucker, ignore all those Microgaming slot threads that have bizarrely appeared out of nowhere at Casinomeister over the last couple of weeks, and do something smarter with your money.
     
  12. Aug 2, 2005
  13. jamiester

    jamiester Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Overnight dispatcher
    Location:
    Hampshire County, MA
    the best way to profit at slots

    is NOT to play them. The only way you can have a positive expectation is thru bonuses with relatively low playthrough or with progressives where the jackpot gets very high. You can entertain yourself with betting strategies and changing machines but the simple fact remains that the less spins you make, the better off you will be.
    All discussion of strategy I have seen has been fantasy or imagination. I have seen nobody back any winning strategy up with statistical proof. It bears repeating over and over again so that newbies don't get sucked into thinking that they can make money at slots.
    But for "strategy", here goes:

    -Play progressives when they are very high or if you can figure out when overall payout is over 100% (keeping in mind you will rarely ever hit, but when you do it could make up for a lifetime of losses).

    -Play minimum playthrough with high bonuses (of course then you might not get paid).

    Oh yeah, and when you get "diamonds" on the first and fourth reel three times in a row, that means the "big one" is going to come in 23 spins! ;)
     
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2005
  14. Aug 2, 2005
  15. tim5ny

    tim5ny Quit Gambling

    I think any strategy for beating the slots is about as useful as pissing into the wind. The topic that does merit some discussion would rather be the subject of money management. Most slots players are looking for that big hit.. and all too often we take a decent profit and throw it all away because we're not satisfied with making 30, 40, or 50% profit on our deposit. We want to see 500% profit.. or even more. ( Nobody's more guilty of this than I am) . I think KK might have some good input on this subject.
     
  16. Aug 2, 2005
  17. funeralparty

    funeralparty Dormant account

    Location:
    Houston
    Well no surprise here. What might have turned into a fun and informative thread is shoved in the face of the poster with smart ass remarks from the "gambling community". Im seeing this more and more in the forums as of late.

    Im getting a little bored with the usual: this RTG didn't pay me this week, that customer service rep was stupid, hey! look at this pretty screenshot, my kmart bonus terms got changed, my account was locked at blah blah blah blah.........

    While I am in agreement that you will eventually lose 2%,3%,5% whatever in the long run on slots, it would have been interesting to see what everyone's usual bets on certain games were, what % sessions were winners, etc, etc.

    But hey! Lets make a newbie feel stupid instead.

    shame on you
     
  18. Aug 2, 2005
  19. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

    Location:
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    My response was not intended to make anyone feel stupid. Rereading my response, I don't see what in it can be taken that way. So evidently I am a tactless slug. Please point out what I said that was intended to make someone feel stupid, so that I can improve my demeanor.

    Thank you
     
  20. Aug 2, 2005
  21. funeralparty

    funeralparty Dormant account

    Location:
    Houston
    my post wasn't necessarily directed at you...
     
  22. Aug 2, 2005
  23. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I can't believe all the negative post above! :eek:

    Are you people really gamblers, or what? :confused:

    Of course the house has the edge on slots - in case you hadn't noticed, the house has the edge on ALL casino games - but that does not mean you can't win!
    I have just made July my 40th profitable month from the last 43 - and the last 10 months have included a lot of slots play!
    I am an advantage player, and I don't have any 'magic formula', but there are guidelines I believe people can use to maximise their return (minimise their loss!).

    I will contribute more to this thread later, if people are interested (don't have time right now), but can I just remind you of the stats I complied in June (below) covering all my MG slot play up to that time. (Ignoring the Spring Break Jackpot).
    This was part of my learning process, and it's easy to see which slots I maybe should have avoided. Overall my total loss was not that great, and when you remember that all the play was in meeting WR's for bonuses, my overall outcome was profit! :cool:
    .
     
  24. Aug 2, 2005
  25. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    Starting Bankroll
    $200

    Play with Bonuses?
    No

    Usual Bet
    I'll play VP multihand poker - normally 4 hand at MG and 3 hand at Crypto. I usually get $10 to $20 a shot working my way up to a $300 balance.
    Fav games: D wild or Joker Poker

    Once I reach $300 or more - I switch to slots and play $22.50 a pull for 4 - 5 pulls. Once I'm down to $180 I switch back over to VP and baby my balance back up to $300 - repeat.

    Favorite games
    Ladies Nite, Spring Break, Thunderstruck, and the occassional Tally Ho. For crypto, their new slots with a bonus round. I play mostly for the bonus round hoping to hit this with a large $ play.

    General observations on slot behavior
    When the games dry up - they dry up. But when I speak to my screen, they hear me sometimes and let me win :D

    What percentage of sessions are a winner?
    Never keep track since I know it's all magic fairy dust in there.

    Favorite Casinos
    32red, Maple, King Neptunes, Intercasino

    And any other info you think is pertinent
    You have to realize and accept the fact that this is pure entertainment. You have to care not whether you win or lose - it's goofing with the game hoping to get a good screen shot :D

    Geeze Caruso, you sound like you're eighty years old. Lighten up! People post screen shots because it's fun. MG has been churning a number of new interesting ones lately, so it's not so bizarre that people like to share their joy.
     
  26. Aug 2, 2005
  27. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Damn, KasinoKing! You actually keep track of this stuff. Kudos for you! And I thought it was all magic fairy dust :D


    Black Jack players :lolup:
     
  28. Aug 2, 2005
  29. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator

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    Location:
    England
    My strategy is too complicated to post but i think you have the basics via PM anyway WhyOWhy.

    However, i would add that my strategy is to "minimise losses" and have some fun. Just so happens that the Gooe has totally changed the way i play with a very positive effect i might add!
     
  30. Aug 2, 2005
  31. davescamp

    davescamp Dormant account

    Location:
    Milano, Italy
    Excluding GoldenGoose, what are your strategies of increasing-decreasing bets in the other MG bonus slots?
    Once decided which is the best slot at that particular moment, i usually start playing at that one for a while (i'm a low roller so my balance usually lasts for many spins), and increase-decrease the bet considering the distance from the previous bonus round. But this doesn't seem a profitable strategy, i've collected many losses recently. :(
    I always finish in a row with no bonus for hundreds of spins, and lose all the money. How long should be a row with no bonus before deciding to leave that slot?
     
  32. Aug 2, 2005
  33. jamiester

    jamiester Dormant account

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    Hampshire County, MA
    theres no contradiction...

    Nobody said you couldn't win, only that "strategy" has nothing to do with it! One of the only ways you can come out ahead is by utilizing bonuses, which is what we have said and what your own stats prove!! Yes, you can win, if you are lucky, but nothing you do, besides being lucky and limiting your play, will make you more successful than the next guy.
    You guys may take it as negative, but we are simply trying to make sure people are educated as to the realities of gambling.
    :)
     
  34. Aug 2, 2005
  35. raol

    raol Dormant account

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    Sweden
    I know you advocate playing for fun and not for moneymaking purposes, but the the purpose of this thread was to discuss how to make money playing slots. The OP wrote: "I do enjoy the slots, but I am mainly playing for income."

    For that purpose, it's no doubt that the strategy should be aiming at putting as little money as possible into the slot machines. So if you're playing a slots bonus, you want to play aggressively so that you either bust out early or make a big win. My strategy is to play thunderstruck and to gamble every win until i reach some set target.
     
  36. Aug 2, 2005
  37. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    I am one of those blackjack players. :) I just never had enough luck with slots to keep me interested, whereas I hit a royal flush on about my 500th hand of video poker. The last time I played slots was on a slots only no deposit bonus, and I managed to survive the WR, but the casino folded before it would pay me. :( My massive $50 win must have bankrupted it.
     
  38. Aug 2, 2005
  39. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Location:
    England
    The best responses will clearly come from the people who play the best games, as by and large they have the most knowledge. So yes, BJ and VP players. But these are the people the poster needs responses from - he DIRECTLY requested how to make money from slots. He did NOT post another "winner screenshots" thread (maybe there are enough??), he requested feedback on how to WIN WITH SLOTS.

    There are no strategies to win with slots. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are foolish or malicious. There are no "trends" to take advantage of, there are no "money management" schemes that will turn a loser into a winner and the only difference your starting bankroll makes is your longevity at the machine.

    When you put a dollar bill into a slot machine, you get back 95 cents. Whether you double it or lose it all is nothing to do with anything - that's called variance.

    The message to this poster is: don't play slots in order to achieve your stated aim. Learn to play blackjack or VP - far from being worthy of derision, those games are the most fascinating out there, and you'll lose your money fully ten, twenty, thirty, even forty and fifty times more slowly.

    Be smart.
     

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