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Have you ever witnessed any type of cheating in your time at the table?

Discussion in 'Casinomeister's Poker Room' started by BingoT, Oct 18, 2005.

    Oct 18, 2005
  1. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

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    Have you ever witnessed any type of cheating in POKER at the time at the tables?

    Have a Good One
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2005
  2. Oct 18, 2005
  3. fatshaft

    fatshaft Full Member

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    Isle of Man
    haven't you just posted this at WOL under a different username?

    What's your point caller?
     
  4. Oct 18, 2005
  5. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

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    fatshaft if you LOOK hard I use BingoT

    fatshaft if you LOOK hard I use BingoT where ever I go:D
    Why is it a Crime to post it in two places:confused:
    I'm just asking. What's the BIG deal.
     
  6. Oct 18, 2005
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I know people who have tried to collude over the phone. They said it sucked, was too much of a hassle, and it just wasn't worth it.

    I haven't seen this happen in a live poker room. I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to try and use some jive talk in chat to tell someone what hand they have...but then...
     
  8. Oct 18, 2005
  9. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

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    You know I never would of put the phone on my mind

     
  10. Oct 18, 2005
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I don't see how you could ever spot this type of cheating.
    If two or more people are sharing info over the phone, by live chat in another window, or even sitting in the same room with a separate PC and IP connection each - how on earth could you tell? More importantly the poker room could not detect it either.
    I expect this type of activity is very widespread in online poker which is why I only play low limit games just for fun.
    If I was a high limit poker player I would be VERY cautious about playing it online... :eek2:
     
  12. Oct 18, 2005
  13. Webzcas

    Webzcas Winter is Coming!

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    It happens especially with voice conferencing with messenging services such as msn. But it is quite easily identifiable. Pattern of play can and does give it away after time.

    You are never going to stamp it out 100%, but the necessary safeguards are in place at the backend of the online poker rooms and networks to ensure it is very much limited and caught when it does occurs.
     
  14. Oct 18, 2005
  15. tantalos

    tantalos Experienced Member

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    It's not SO hard as some of you may think.

    I tried to do it once, and I found out that it ACTUALLY WORKED :

    I logged in at a William Hill's Poker-Table, $1/$2 Limit. You may know that William Hill, Interpoker, Betfair (and some other sites I am unaware of, although I know they exist) share the same poker tables.

    I also have an account at Interpoker and logged in , seating at the VERY SAME table I had sat just a minute ago, with my WH account.

    And there I was, at a 6-ring table, with 2 accounts of mine at the same time.

    I stayed on line for 15 mins, played 3-4 hands, and then quit. I didn't want to risk being tracked down and banned from both Poker Rooms - I enjoy being their member .

    So I guess, in case you have one account in all (three? Four? Five? More?) Websites that share the same poker rooms, you can take 5 out of 6 seats of a poker table at the same time ...

    The big question is, how do all these Cryptologic Poker Rooms deal with this problem?

    :eek2:
     
  16. Oct 18, 2005
  17. Bruce Hamilton

    Bruce Hamilton Dormant account

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    Location:
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    But is it worth the risk of being banned from every poker room online? :oops:
     
  18. Oct 19, 2005
  19. fatshaft

    fatshaft Full Member

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    Isle of Man
    Don't know how you managed that, as it's impossible to do, you get a pop-up telling you that someone from that computer/IP is already sitting at the table. You telling porkies?
     
  20. Oct 21, 2005
  21. phynqster

    phynqster Dormant account

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    Have seen it live in casinos. Watch players how they deal with their card protectors. Do they turn them over do they place them in certain places, etc. I did it on line in a free play mode. Was in a room with a number of players all with different IP's and it can be done. Have not played online for money since.
     
  22. Oct 24, 2005
  23. tantalos

    tantalos Experienced Member

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    I am a rather busy man and I have no time to waste visiting Poker Forums and telling/writing nonsense.

    You want to believe it, good. You don't, see if I care. That's what happened to me TWICE - actually the second time I told everyone at the table that I had 2 seats of the table occupied, and they were all amazed. And I thought about sharing it with you people, just to be more cautious next time you enter such poker rooms (as I have been, from that day ).

    But for all I care, you , fatshaft, can keep believing that "that is impossible to do".

    As I wrote above, I enter this forum strictly to gather useful info and share my experiences with all the other forum visitors, and NOT to spend my precious time submitting silly posts.

    Thank you.
     
  24. Oct 24, 2005
  25. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account

    Friends I know who don't play online poker but know that I do, are always asking me about cheating. My answer is that there must be plenty of it going on, but still I manage to profit in the black day in day out. I don't play high limits and I guess one should be more concerned if playing high stakes. But at the lower levels I guess it doesn't matter whether they are cheating much or not. Because there's juicey games everywhere.

    Reminds me of a quick story. I remember I used to play in a small cardroom in San Diego. Once in awhile these five gypsy brothers or cousins would come in to play. Everyone knew they did stuff like talk in their native language and probably signals. In fact, they even passed cards. But they otherwise played SO BAD, that they always left BROKE. So players just kind of tolerated them. :D

    That's how it is with lower stakes online poker. Even if there is cheating, the players are still so bad that it shouldn't cost too much for the winning player.
     
  26. Oct 24, 2005
  27. Freudian

    Freudian Dormant account

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    europe
    People abusing the disconnect protection in NL is pretty common.
     
  28. Oct 25, 2005
  29. Johnny Casino

    Johnny Casino Dormant account

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    I tried it for free for a laugh once and it worked. We knew the player we were colluding against. I'd never do it for real though, you'd risk being blacklisted from any legit poker room and also not receiving your ill gotten winnings.
     
  30. Oct 25, 2005
  31. Newblood18

    Newblood18 Dormant account

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    Making One Hand out of Four

    I once was at a brick and mortar casino and saw four players on one end fold. One guy was kind of fooling around and was feigning disgust that all four players had no hand to play and wanted to see if he could make one playable hand out of the four. He made a pair of queens out of the discards and played the hand and won the pot. At the end he turned himself in and all money was returned and he was given a warning.

    Newblood
     
  32. Oct 26, 2005
  33. fatshaft

    fatshaft Full Member

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    Isle of Man
    Well why do it then, I just tried it on a fun money table, and I got the exact message I've seen before on real monery tables telling me that there is already a player from my IP playing at the table.

    The reason I'd found this previously was not due to an attempt to cheat, but because I had registered on a waiting list with a second crypto while clearing their monthly bonuses (when the games were still worth playing), so I know it can't be done.

    Please get your facts straight before coming on here with ridiculous cheating stories that a cursory check reveals is rubbish
     
  34. Oct 26, 2005
  35. Tdoggy

    Tdoggy Experienced Member

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    USA
    How????

    There is no way of catching players doing this unless they are so obvious about it. But even if you do catch them how can you possibly prove they're doing it? Cheating in poker rooms happens a lot. I have seen people clean up at tables doing it. Especially in tournament play were there is a 5 on 5 table and first and second place finishers both win something. I followed two guys one time who went from table to table and made a nice profit doing this. Where they caught, nope. And why would the casino or poker room really care when they are making there % in profit from it also? Becarefull playing in these poker rooms these days. Very dangerous. You can be taken. :eek:




     
  36. Oct 26, 2005
  37. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account

    I never even thought of what you just said about tournaments. I guess that's because I don't play them. But what you say sounds plausible.

    But as for cheating/colluding in the smaller games of $5-10 and under, I'd say there's just so many games it doesn't pay to worry about it to the point where you're stressing. If there's any reason to be suspicious, go find another game. There's so many.

    I'm not saying colluding doesn't happen. Obviously it does. But even if some players cheat, a lot of cheaters don't play well. lol I know that's the case in B&M cardrooms. A lot of the cheaters in the old days when everyone passed the deal, they were very bad players and still lost even when they cheated. Now that's pretty bad. lol
     
  38. Oct 31, 2005
  39. schnozzy

    schnozzy Dormant account

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    Ohio
    I've had extremely good success with reporting these guys to support, and having their disconnect protection revoked permanently. Just write a nice email saying the player, the hand, and the reason to believe it was DP abuse (90% of the time, they are on a flush draw, and were on one the last time they disconnected too)

    ---

    As far as collusion goes, if they're cheating, they're not doing it very well. Knowing 2-4 extra dead cards is rarely going to have any practical application. Squeezing players out with raises is dangerous since a sharp player can exploit this to his advantage. If the middled player is on a draw, now he's getting 2:1 on every additional chip he puts in the pot. pretty good deal for him!

    I'll take a table full of "cheats" over a table filled with observant, thinking players, any day!

    ---

    Beyond that, all my worst "cheats" in casinos weren't from signalling, or trapping or anything like that. They were people who abused rules to shoot angles.

    In one casino, if a player makes a fouled bet, it can be withdrawn, and fouled is one chip shy... so I bet $100, and they verbally raise to $500, but only put in $475. I re-raise all-in. Then they declare their own raise illegal, and take it back!! (I only know of one club with this asinine rule.)

    I had another player who tried (but fortunately failed) to win a hand via technicality... 2/5 no-limit game, very aggressive player in middle position opens to $30. I'm in the big blind with kings, and re-raise to $90. He calls. The flop comes AJx. I check to him, he bets $75 but he looked weak... I thought maybe he had a bad ace and would fold to a raise. So I raised all-in (about $500 more) and he quickly called. Before he turned over his hand I said "I guess you win this one", since I couldn't see how somebody could quickly call without at least top pair... but then he turned over KQ.

    He tried (and almost succeeded) in getting the floor to award him the pot on the basis that I'd conceded the pot, even though absolutely everyone at the table (including the dealer) agreed that this was not my intention.

    The best casino poker advice I can give you:
    Never let go of your cards, until the dealer has pushed you your winnings.
    Always be extremely clear with your actions. Count out the correct number of chips, and put them in the pot while verbally stating the action. If you do just one, or just the other, somebody will screw you at least once a week.

    ---

    Honestly, I just can't imagine anybody having the skills to cheat effectively, and choosing to use them at a 5/10 game. To do it profitably you'd need to know how to play quite well... and at that point, you'd make more money by playing a 20/40 game straight up.
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2005
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