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Hacker robbed my Moneybookers account

Discussion in 'Other Complaints' started by PMmarkus, Nov 16, 2008.

    Nov 16, 2008
  1. PMmarkus

    PMmarkus Dormant account

    Occupation:
    student/builder
    Location:
    Oulu
    Some hacker robbed all my money from Moneybookers account. I have different password in every place so I cannot understand how its possible. After I noticed that I asked Moneybookers security team to close my account and cancel all money transfers.

    I got following answer:

    There were unauthorized logins on your Moneybookers account. The account is currently locked and all the merchants, who received funds from it, are contacted. So we are doing everything possible for the moment.

    Please send to us :
    - Your valid official identification document such as your international
    passport, national identity card or drivers license;
    - Proof of address such as recent utility bill or bank statement;
    - A handwritten declaration that you authorize a Moneybookers representative to change the primary e-mail of your account, where you will receive your new password.

    We will keep you in touch

    Kind regards,
    Moneybookers Security


    I made that they wanted and send the required documents and got following answer:

    Dear Mr. Juha Markus Nikkanen,

    Thank you for the documents provided!

    For the fraudulent transactions made from your account was used a credit card MASTERCARD <xxxxx07941> added from the hacker. So there are no loses from your side.
    We would advice, that you open a new account with us, because this one is already compromised.

    Please accept our apologies for any possible inconvenience and thank you for your time!

    Best regards,
    Moneybookers Security

    After that I made new account and asked could I get my money back now. Moneybookers answer was:

    thank you for your email.
    We kindly ask you to review your old account and advise us what amount exactly is missing from it .
    Thank you for your cooperation.

    I said that the amount was little bit under 2000 and got next answer:

    Thank you for your prompt response.
    After we have conducted a detailed investigation within our system and contacted all the merchants that have recieved funds from your account, we regret to inform you that there has been a communication error and despite our efforts to arrange a refund, all merchants that have receiveed funds are unable to restore the funds.
    Please accept our most sincere apologies about your loss.We would like to assure that we have taken all necessary precautions to avoid such cases in the future.
    You may continue to use your new account at any time and enter your new details there.
    If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us at any time.

    Regards,
    Moneybookers Security

    WTF? What communication error? I think its Moneybookers fail, not mine. I cannot understand that Moneybookers can be so unsafely. Does anyone have any ideas what do I have to do next? Iam really not going to give up before I get my money back.
     
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  2. Nov 16, 2008
  3. kmay87

    kmay87 Meister Member PABnononaccred PABaccred2

    Occupation:
    Barrister
    Location:
    England
    That's unbelievable. It also seems like they don't even know what they are talking about, if firstly they tell you the transaction was made using a credit card added by the third party, and then they say all funds in your account were withdrawn.

    Either way, they must be able to trace to whom the money was sent. And if their security is any good, they will also log the IP address of where the transaction was made. Was the money dormant in your account or did it come from a credit/debit card? If the latter, you should have protection on that from your bank.

    Although I tend to not leave money in any of my online wallets/accounts, I still wouldn't dream of something like this happening. You will probably want to check all the details on your account are correct, as it must be quite a long shot for someone to correctly guess a password, hence there was either some way into your account or a keylogger has been placed on your computer, or maybe a trojan. A virus scan would confirm that.

    If it's a fault on Moneybookers' side, then it should be up to them to refund you. I'd say you should keep pestering them until they actually tell you how the breach occured.
     
  4. Nov 16, 2008
  5. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

    Occupation:
    I do nothing productive
    Location:
    Hell on Earth
    Have you checked YOUR computer for any spyware, trojans, rootkits or keyloggers?

    The odds are that the security breach that released your passwords is on your side and not on theirs.
     
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  6. Nov 16, 2008
  7. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    How do you know that this was really Moneybookers you were talking to and not a hacked Moneybookers site ?? You should go back and check the headers in the email that you received from them and also the IP address and then go back and check one from them when you originally signed up to compare the two...
     
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  8. Nov 16, 2008
  9. PMmarkus

    PMmarkus Dormant account

    Occupation:
    student/builder
    Location:
    Oulu
    Anti spywares found nothing but I cleared my hard drives as a precaution.
     
  10. Nov 16, 2008
  11. kmay87

    kmay87 Meister Member PABnononaccred PABaccred2

    Occupation:
    Barrister
    Location:
    England
    That's actually a good point. Normally all these places have the same signature after their messages, but in all three of the ones shown, they differ slightly. Personally, I'd be surprised if they didn't use a generic signature, as all casinos and banks etc tend to. Or it could just be me nitpicking :)
     
  12. Nov 16, 2008
  13. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

    Occupation:
    I do nothing productive
    Location:
    Hell on Earth
    You'll want to do a specific check for rootkits.

    check here:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    and here
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit

    anyone that uses their Windows computer for ANY financial transaction should scan for rootkits on a regular basis, in my opinion.
     
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  14. Nov 16, 2008
  15. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    Hungary
    Do you also play poker? I heard about a few similar cases in Hungary. Details here:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    Do not keep funds on your mb account if not neccessary.
     
  16. Nov 16, 2008
  17. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    After reading that, this is almost starting to sound like an inside job at MB's and also by the response given by them in the email above...:eek2:
     
  18. Nov 16, 2008
  19. jas2587

    jas2587 Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    none
    Location:
    FL
    what do you do if you scan an it shows things?
    I did a scan an it says 660 discrepancies found
    I bought this pc new 2 yrs ago an 2 are dated
    8-26-2004
    but all the others are recent hmmmmm


    Thanks
    Cindy
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2008
  20. Nov 19, 2008
  21. Nobunaga

    Nobunaga Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Service Clerk
    Location:
    Cambridge ON
    Your Moneybookers account

    PM Markus.You will have to read Moneybookers terms and conditions of using their account <read all the fine print> to see if you're out of luck on your 2000 EU or not.

    Remember, these online people for most part don't know you, they've never met you in person, they barely trust you.That's is a major problem when dealing with any person online.

    This problem is going to happen in the future, and has happened to people's accounts like through Paypal and through credit cards, bank accounts.

    As long as there are genius level minded people out there running the casinos, running business, programmers, that also means there will be people who scam and hackers too.

    If your account was not hacked by a Moneybooker's employee, then you will have to read the Terms and Conditions of having an account again, you may need to get Casinomeister involved.

    You may need to line up a lawyer that does international business law, in order to be ready for a possible lawsuit against Moneybookers.

    If you're not the only person this has happened to, then a class action lawsuit may be needed globally to deal with this company if they are in the wrong towards you.

    1)Go back to the contract you did when you first joined this site.Read the fine print.

    2)Tell Casinomeister directly what's going on and ask why does this company and others like it, have no affiliate on this website.

    3)Obviously continue to save your dialogue with this company, get people's names that you're dealing business with <first and last if possible> and keep asking questions you want answered, because this money didn't just disappear like it was burned.

    4)If possible, arrange a face to face meeting, whether it be over webcam or in person with this company at their office.There are real people on their end, real banks they deal business with.It shows the court that you made the effort to see these online business people in person.

    5)Contact a lawyer if you are 100% that you are still in the right, that does international business law and file suit against Moneybookers.

    You'll find out very quickly if you are out of luck, or you have a serious case against them for more than your $2000 EU, because the truth is there, but it does take time for it to be revealed from the covers ups and all those business dealings.

    6)You may want to bring this up to your member of your government, of your location/city/province and see if this situation isn't coming up in other parts of your country.

    Some of these companies just want their "cake and eat it too" and companies have a history of not being responsible for all of their actions.

    Industrial revolution is proof of how bad companies can get, and with the cyber revolution, it will happen again.

    Good luck with your business dealings.

    Nobunaga
     
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  22. Nov 19, 2008
  23. Nobunaga

    Nobunaga Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Service Clerk
    Location:
    Cambridge ON
    Your Moneybookers account

    PM Markus.You will have to read Moneybookers terms and conditions of using their account <read all the fine print> to see if you're out of luck on your 2000 EU or not.

    Remember, these online people for most part don't know you, they've never met you in person, they barely trust you.That's is a major problem when dealing with any person online.

    This problem is going to happen in the future, and has happened to people's accounts like through Paypal and through credit cards, bank accounts.

    As long as there are genius level minded people out there running the casinos, running business, programmers, that also means there will be people who scam and hackers too.

    If your account was not hacked by a Moneybooker's employee, then you will have to read the Terms and Conditions of having an account again, you may need to get Casinomeister involved.

    You may need to line up a lawyer that does international business law, in order to be ready for a possible lawsuit against Moneybookers.

    If you're not the only person this has happened to, then a class action lawsuit may be needed globally to deal with this company if they are in the wrong towards you.

    1)Go back to the contract you did when you first joined this site.Read the fine print.

    2)Tell Casinomeister directly what's going on and ask why does this company and others like it, have no affiliate on this website.

    3)Obviously continue to save your dialogue with this company, get people's names that you're dealing business with <first and last if possible> and keep asking questions you want answered, because this money didn't just disappear like it was burned.

    4)If possible, arrange a face to face meeting, whether it be over webcam or in person with this company at their office.There are real people on their end, real banks they deal business with.It shows the court that you made the effort to see these online business people in person.

    5)Contact a lawyer if you are 100% that you are still in the right, that does international business law and file suit against Moneybookers.

    You'll find out very quickly if you are out of luck, or you have a serious case against them for more than your $2000 EU, because the truth is there, but it does take time for it to be revealed from the covers ups and all those business dealings.

    6)You may want to bring this up to your member of your government, of your location/city/province and see if this situation isn't coming up in other parts of your country.

    Some of these companies just want their "cake and eat it too" and companies have a history of not being responsible for all of their actions.

    Industrial revolution is proof of how bad companies can get, and with the cyber revolution, it will happen again.

    Good luck with your business dealings.

    Nobunaga
     
  24. Nov 20, 2008
  25. PMmarkus

    PMmarkus Dormant account

    Occupation:
    student/builder
    Location:
    Oulu
    Thanks for you. This post help me a lot :)
     
    1 person likes this.
  26. Dec 9, 2008
  27. Nobunaga

    Nobunaga Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Service Clerk
    Location:
    Cambridge ON
    Dealing with Moneybookers.

    PMMarkus.I wouldn't want the same thing to happen to me now or in the future, because online gambling is going to stay globally.

    I wouldn't want my online bank accounting or PayPal or any business account getting hacked and robbed, and have people at those companies, to simply shrug their shoulders and put the blame <the blame game> and put it onto me, or in this case, onto you.

    The good news, is that the technology will improve, and the faceless companies, will become more real, to prove their identity too.

    With webcams and microphone technology, it's nice to be able to make a real contact with someone, even if they work thousands of miles away.

    Global business is changing because of the internet.It's taking that old fashioned bulletin board system back in the 80's and globalizing it.

    I hope that you and Money bookers will work out your business problem that you have with them.

    With what you can disclose, have things in your dispute improved, since my thread message to you?

    Best wishes.

    Nobunaga
     
  28. Dec 9, 2008
  29. greek39

    greek39 Dormant account webmeister

    Occupation:
    cyber forensics/webmaster
    Location:
    canada
    I received one these not long ago. I threw to the side and labeling it "phishing email". MoneyBookers usually request this information via upload within their site.

    greek39
     

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