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Guts.com best proof for manipulation(pics)

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Non-Bonus Issues' started by Bogl, Oct 10, 2014.

    Oct 10, 2014
  1. Bogl

    Bogl Dormant account

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    Hi everybody


    This post cost me 600 dollars

    but some how it worth it.

    Guts.com is the best proof for, that games from Netent, Quickfire, Next Gaming etc. can be manipulataed fixed and rigged without any problems....theres no licens giving controlling on some isle states and if theyre not a hindrance...

    Theres no other explanation for that crap.
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    1.20 euro cents bet. 7 freespins :0.00

    Guts.com best proof for manipulation(pics): suckoutcasino.gif,Oct 10, 2014
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    0.50 euro bet. 10 freespins WIN 3.15

    Guts.com best proof for manipulation(pics): suckoutguts2.gif,Oct 10, 2014
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    1.00 euro bet. 10 freespins : WIN 3.10

    Guts.com best proof for manipulation(pics): suckoutguts1.gif,Oct 10, 2014
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    1.25 euro bet. 4 freespins : WIN 5.90

    Guts.com best proof for manipulation(pics): Suckoutguts.jpg,Oct 10, 2014

    i had a lot of such freespins and bad wins and ongoing suckouts till i began to do the pics....shell i would have even more.

    So everybody who wants to get suckout and wants to feel and not only know that games are manipulated - go play at GUTS.COM
     
  2. Oct 10, 2014
  3. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    I lived in Switzerland for a while, and really liked the country.
    Now, most of the people there were really easygoing and passive, in a good way.
    It doesn't seem like you are one of them:)

    Just pulling your leg, but in all earnest i suggest you calm down, and read up on the whole process of gambling.

    I don't know if you are a long time gambler, but playing slots on or offline, is an expensive business, unless you win, and the longer and more often you play them, the more you will come to realize, that those examples you posted are nothing out of the ordinary.

    A lot of the modern slots, following the high variance trends, naturally have more dead spins and low paying features then for instance most slots from 5 years back or more. I am certain if you do some digging, you will find slots to play which have a feature that will guarantee a certain x bet return.

    Those might suit you more, but be aware it might still be a losing session.
    For one thing Guts is one of the best places out there to be playing any slot, since IF you are lucky, you'll definitely get paid, and their support and management is also top notch.

    Just take my advice, and check out the forums content about RTP, the average amount of spins that you will do to trigger a feature vs the average payout of said feature, low and high variance slots, and whatnot: there's a wealth of info here that will improve your knowledge, likely improve your bankroll management, and hopefully increase your chances of not coming in here and being dealt the tin foil hat card straight away:)
     
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  4. Oct 10, 2014
  5. Bogl

    Bogl Dormant account

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    Ok does that mean that the most games just shredder money and a few after a calculated number of spins do payout?

    Why is there such a big difference between the same games on different plattforms...?

    I believe that on the net, every casino plattform can set theyre own payoutrate. And theres no question that it can even be set that every customer gets a custom made luring payoutrate...

    No matter on wich plattform he plays cause at the end where all playing at netent or nextgame or quickfire or microgaming servers wich identifie us on every game with our ip and login.

    Thats a big difference betwen a real casino. There the slot machine cant recognize you as the user who right befor did win or lose.

    (sorry for my english)

    long speech short sense.... Guts did suck me out gruesome :) I hope i can prevent at least one from such a suckout...

    So beware of Guts.com
     
  6. Oct 10, 2014
  7. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    Silly statement :rolleyes: People who don't know the game should not gamble .......

    Let me tell you something. Please warn people from playing at ALL SITES. Because in the end my Friend they WILL and yes they WILL suck you dry.
     
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  8. Oct 10, 2014
  9. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Are you kidding? NetEnt slots are the bomb! Sure they go through sucky sessions (the same as any other software) and then BAM they hit you with a 15000x bet win.

    And you can't blame Guts (or any casino) for a poor session. If you played every day for 6 months and you had the same luck, then maybe you could come in talking about how Guts sucks. But if you played every day for a month, you'd probably win something and you'd change your mind. :p

    Seriously though....Guts is a great casino, and just because you didn't win this time doesn't make them any less great. They have lots of people winning every day. Today wasn't your day, but maybe tomorrow - or next week - or a month from now.
     
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  10. Oct 10, 2014
  11. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    I understand what you are saying, but how about this: i am up on Guts, about 2K.
    I was lucky: the fact that i am up more or less means that 100 others are down.

    And then this, the slot machine may not be able to identify you in a Land based Casino, but the cameras sure can, and if you believe people can and will rig the payouts on a personal basis, then be assured they would also do it there. And btw, if you use a playcard, that is common in most Casinos nowadays, there is also data on it which can "recognise" you..

    But that is the wrong way of thinking, there are certainly possibilities, technically achievable ways of rigging machines, or even influencing payout percentages I.P. based.

    If you really don't trust it then don't gamble anywhere else then at your poker table at home, with a few friends. (who might also cheat you btw.)

    The thing you mentioned that would be interesting to break down, is what you said about why the difference in payout in different Casinos:

    This is not a fact that is a feeling you had, based on random occurrences, as that is exactly what slots are, machines that randomly or pseudo randomly generate results from a pool of possible results, that are dependant on various factors.

    Now most of the results are you losing, or winning a fraction of your bet back.
    That you won in one Casino doesn't mean you will win again in the next, playing the same slot and getting the same feature, if you know what i mean.

    I really advise you to check this forum out , for a week, and search for the topics i mentioned, i really think it will help. if you still feel the same way afterwards i'll gladly resume our discussion!

    Oh, and maybe stop playing in the meantime.
    First "work" then play:)

    And just to let you know, i have also had similar feelings, there sometimes are sessions that are no fun at all, and kill you in a heartbeat, and then you might feel like everything is rigged and even personally against you, and if you have partial knowledge about payout rates etc, this might lead to strange ideas..:D
     
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  12. Oct 10, 2014
  13. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Amazing post thanks so much for sharing. I have been waiting so long for proof that casinos are truly fixed and here you come and prove it.:rolleyes:

    Seriously tho how often do you gamble. The screenshots you provided are quite normal. Never had a win on golden goddess myself which I why I never play it and your penquin screenshot paid more than I have got on few sets of free spins I won.

    To now come out and say GUTS is totally rigged because you lost is bang out of order. It is the same as any other casino some times you win other times you lose. I expect to lose on most deposits if I win its good but I don't deposit thinking im going to be rich soon. From reading some posts on here I really believe people expect every bonus to pay loads and are so shocked when they realise that bonus rounds very often can and do pay nothing.
     
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  14. Oct 10, 2014
  15. Nifty29

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    I can recommend a few excellent milliners from which to purchase your new and well deserved shiny headgear.

    You can find them here:

    http://www.crapmeister.com
     
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  16. Oct 10, 2014
  17. lotusch

    lotusch Noob Webby webby PABaccred mm2

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    OP you should really get a quick course about online gambling.
    Those screenshots mean nothing to any longtime online gambler as we all have had them,loads of them.
    Gambling is risky,most of the times you lose but that is the same when you go to a land based casino so no difference there.

    Go have a look at the different online slot providers and find a brand that suits you best.
    Netent is known for their rubbish bonus games so the chance of hitting something decent on them is not great but if it does hit,it will be lot's of times a monsterhit,especially on the higher variance games like DOA,Jake and the Beanstalk and recently The Wishmaster.

    If you like to win at least 10x stake in the bonusrounds I advise you to play WMS slots,some of their slots have a bonus guarantee so this means if the free spins pay less then 10x stake the slot will compensate to 10x bet after the free spins have been played.

    Coming here just to name and shame one of the best casino's around is not nice.
    Guts is an accredited casino here and has many loyal players like myself and the managment is 5 star!

    Do you think I win every time when playing there?
    Nope far from that.

    But that is gambling and I take the losses as I am the one spending it on gambling.

    If you can't take the bad beats maybe online gambling is not for you because no matter what casino you play,you will get more of those in your carreer. ;););)

    I wish you best of luck anyway.

    But STOP naming and shaming one of the best casino's out there!
     
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  19. MillyOfLeValley

    MillyOfLeValley Experienced Member webmeister

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    From a research perspective your data would not stand up, its just not enough.
    You would need to replicate those exact sessions many times to find patterns, which would be impossible because of the random nature of slots.
    On top of that, you would need to replicate those same sessions on those slots at other casinos similar to Guts like CasinoLuck, Next, Vera and John etc in order to prove your hypothesis.
    It would actually be a good PHD topic but I think if you got a funder you could do it and then share the results with us.

    But as it stands, its a bit unfair to cite manipulation and say people should not play at Guts based on your data.
     
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  20. Oct 10, 2014
  21. miksaxxx

    miksaxxx Senior Member

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    :confused:
    I have had in guts.com bonus rounds from 1 x time bet and also 1000x bet.

    It is gambling and you haved bad luck , so you cant blame guts from manipulating games.
     
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  22. Oct 10, 2014
  23. KasinoKing

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    None of the shots he posted was of a NetEnt game.
    I'm not familiar with 2, 3 & 4, but 1 is an IGT game which is not "truly random" by my definition of the term and my guess is the other games are of similar design.

    But regardless of which slots they were, the OP is seriously ill-informed if he thinks the casino has any influence over the pay-outs and would actually have someone sitting there monitoring their customer's play and flicking switches to change their winning chances!

    "Deluded bad loser" is the term which comes to mind...

    KK
     
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  24. Oct 10, 2014
  25. mimi26

    mimi26 Meister Member

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    Annoyed with GUTS, in a middle of a spin CFTBL, got 2 free spin symbols and it just closed while still spinning, sorry but we are doing maintenance, closed for a couple of minutes and reopened but was a different screen to the one that closed and my bet level was back on default :mad:
     
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  27. Tirilej

    Tirilej On a Break

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    Ben was probably in the controlroom for a visit when he saw your x4000 freespin round coming up...:eek:

    Switch turned off and every single customer had to wait a few minuts because of it.

    It's a normal business day in Guts land :p
     
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  29. Bogl

    Bogl Dormant account

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    Why should an license giving office in Malta or curacao be a hindrance to manipulate Games.

    We as user have no chance to validate payoutrates. We have to 100% trust in the license giving companies.


    If anyone has time go to the Guts front page and check the actual winners.... I never saw higher winnings there....always amounts betwenn 1-40
     
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  31. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Because they can't. The game servers are locked up in their licensing jurisdictions and only certain people have access to these. The only real thing that the casino operators have at their finger tips is the player database, and the resources that they directly control are related to management and daily operations: support, marketing, finances, and some technical aspects of the website. The games are out of their control.

    Yes, these payout rates can be validated by third parties. If you want me to forward the contact details of these people, just let me know. It will cost you around $500 - $1500 to validate certain games though. Just so you know.


    Quit being a troll. Guts casino is by far one of the best casinos out there. You are damn lucky you have casinos like this to choose from. There are a crapload of US players that wish that they could be in your shoes right now. Quit whining.
     
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  32. Oct 10, 2014
  33. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    It's called 'randomness' and 'variance' my friend! I personally have a RTP of well in excess of 100% at Guts.com since I've been there. At Bet-at it can't break 91% and I always bust. If you had had several consecutive bonus rounds of 100x stake plus, would you have even posted?
    The casinos have NO control over your session and winnings/losses - it's the software, and only the software. It's like blaming a cat for the fact it has claws.
    Just Tuesday I had 7 bonus rounds on Thunderstruck 2 in 20 minutes, yielding a handsome win. Once I went 1253 spins on it getting NO bonus rounds. It's the way it goes.
    As for your suggestion the slots have some sort of facial recognition system and are against you personally, well that deserves a de-luxe foil hat. The games gives you a result for each go and have no memory.
    If you can't accept the rough with the smooth then maybe online slots aren't for you.:)
     
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  35. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    How about bad luck?

    I'm ahead at Guts Casino. So I can't agree that the games are rigged.
    OP sounds like he is just upset over losses.

    He shows a picture of Golden Goddess. I play that slot in land based casinos and it's common to see non-winning features in that game.

    You need a lot more evidence than that before you can prove that a casino is cheating.
     
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  37. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Best line I read on here all week.:thumbsup:
     
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  39. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Well, at least that proves Guts aren't manipulating/exaggerating the luck of their players (like some we have seen mentioned before.)
     
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