Grosvenor Casino and Coral now using lower RTP settings

mack341

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Just a heads up, both these (and presumably Ladbrokes) are using the lower RTP settings on Red Tiger and Play N Go (only Coral have PnG)
Play N Go at Coral are now set to the 94% settings, last week they were on 96.

I never thought one of the big bookie groups would need to offer games with reduced rtp.

At this rate playtech slots will start to look attractive :eek2: they must be hoping loads of players don't cotton on for a few months...

I haven't played a slot for 5 weeks now after using the TAB option but this type of rtp cut, if it becomes widespread, will push me to make it more of a permanent break.

Edit: A physical casino's overheads are probably greater than 4% compared to online, [on the basis they offer 90% rtp slots] so it looks like the online sector is starting to feel they can/need to extract the michael.
 
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shadow123

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Havent checked Ladbrokes yet but they will have dropped them for sure
Bit shit as I use them rather than VS on play n go and tiger.
Seriously think 2020 is the year I pack up online gaming for good,
The UKGC has done nothing positive for me,removing feature buys has spoilt most
of the best games, £2 max stakes seems to be on the cards, increased taxes are being
paid for by the players indirectly and the gov is going to review the 2005 gaming act
which does not bode well.
At least I had the chance to enjoy the times when casinos actually valued players and didnt have
all the crappy regulaions to worry about.
 

shadow123

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Just checked Ladbrokes and cant see any RTP changes on Red tiger yet but cant imagine they wont drop them in line with Corals when they get time
 

bamberfishcake

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Trada are also

Edit: FYI, checked through Nov/Dec. I was going to wait until i had checked a few more before showing but while its being discussed heres what i have so far.....

Screenshot 2019-12-27 at 1.17.36 PM.png

Red Tigers are listed out of screenshot but you can see the trend. Ill compile something a bit more friendly and was thinking of updating a thread monthly.
 
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bamberfishcake

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Would be very useful if you could, we need some guidence badly, Red Tiger RTP,s are all over the place

Its the same 3 casinos with lower.......

Screenshot 2019-12-27 at 1.27.44 PM.png

In the thread maybe the community could help by listing what they spot and we will add it to the sheet. Looks like @colinsunderland is on the case already.

This really is a no no for me the more and more i think about it but we do have the power as consumers to influence with our spend.

Edit: This is only for UK but happy to start another sheet for other jurisdictions if people can feed the info.
 

Oscar Arnhem

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Trada are also

Edit: FYI, checked through Nov/Dec. I was going to wait until i had checked a few more before showing but while its being discussed heres what i have so far.....

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Red Tigers are listed out of screenshot but you can see the trend. Ill compile something a bit more friendly and was thinking of updating a thread monthly.


WTF,@TradaCasino , BOOK OF DEAD 91.25%???
 

Mr_Slot5

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In my opinion, it should be regulation that all versions of a particular slot should be constructed at one RTP and one RTP only. No ifs, no buts. Further to this it should be mandatory to flash the RTP up on the loading screen when opening a slot.

The fact that a casino can seemingly switch willy nilly between RTP versions without saying a Dickie bird is, quite frankly, disgusting behaviour.
 

danofthewibble

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In my opinion, it should be regulation that all versions of a particular slot should be constructed at one RTP and one RTP only. No ifs, no buts. Further to this it should be mandatory to flash the RTP up on the loading screen when opening a slot.

Of course, you do that and you get a couple of results. They either all fix at the lowest percentage the operators want, or the operators close operations in the U.K.

It’d probably be a combination of the two if they did that.
 

Mr_Slot5

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Of course, you do that and you get a couple of results. They either all fix at the lowest percentage the operators want, or the operators close operations in the U.K.

It’d probably be a combination of the two if they did that.

It should be regulation full stop, and not just in the UK.

I'm sorry but the more people just roll over and go 'ahhh well it is what it is', the more you get the piss taken out of you.

I've worked in businesses long enough to know that these changes they say are 'necessary' actually just boil down to greed.

I genuinely can't believe how passive the majority of people are about being majorly shafted. Yet very often the same people who'll kick off about the petrol pumps going over a penny or there being a 10p discrepancy on their shopping receipt.
 
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Harry_BKK

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Exactly what I predicted a few weeks ago, sadly! :oops:

@bamberfishcake William Hill has most Red Tiger slots at 94.xx%, which includes the jackpots where applicable. The RTP portion for the jackpot varies between 0.49 to 3% based on what seed value the operator is choosing.

As I mentioned, I see us heading to a 93 - 94% bracket within 1 to 2 years, and that across the board and that only if we are "lucky" enough not to be struck with larger decreases.

And it won't matter to 99% of the players. I can't explain in any other way the huge increases in active players Aspire Global had in the first 9 months of 2019 and that with 91.25% RTP for favourites like BoD. We forum nerds like here on CM or other places are a tiny minority compared to the overall numbers. I doubt that we could cause any of the developers or casino operators to even raise just an eyebrow. :rolleyes:
 

Harry_BKK

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It should be regulation full stop, and not just in the UK.

I'm sorry but the more people just roll over and go 'ahhh well it is what it is', the more you get the piss taken out of you.

I've worked in businesses long enough to know that these changes they say are 'necessary' actually just boil down to greed.

I genuinely can't believe how passive the majority of people are about being majorly shafted. Yet very often the same people who'll kick off about the petrol pumps going over a penny or there being a 10p discrepancy on their shopping receipt.

The UK has it regulated. Minimum is 90% RTP. As long as it is certified, operators can use anything they want and they don't even have to announce it officially. They simply need to have it in the game rules, that's all!
 

myke35

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Sadly seems to be the way things are going now & it's generally a silent rollout. More profit for the casino less playtime for the player.
 

Mr_Slot5

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I agree. It might be pie in the sky but i was hoping a thread named 'What casinos have the highest RTP UK?' might start appearing in a few searches and raise awareness.

In any case, i just check each time i play now.

And this is the crux (and the real reason many businesses go under). Rather than be satisfied with SOME profit, they feel the need to maintain a level which reflects the hay day. This then leads to a deteriorating customer experience and bloated prices. Essentially, their greed is their undoing and they eventually go under as people seek better alternatives.

Treat your customers like mugs all you like, but don't cry when they turn around and give you the middle finger.
 
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goatwack

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It's not like it's not apparent in the average session. I've been banging that drum for a while, tinfoil and without tinfoil, that old and new games have been playing funky for a while now.

Just nice to know I don't need to be wheeled off by the men in white coats. Woo! :thumbsup:

p.s Players need to wake up and smell the coffee. They'll be in some apathetic bliss up until they notice the gameplay being so bad that there's no hiding from it.

Let's just say everyone's favourite games will become unrecognizable, and so it's high-time punters ditched these industry practices, by either going landbased or finding another hobby. Because let's be honest, playing slots at 90% is a completely crap waste of time :laugh:
 

colinsunderland

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I agree. It might be pie in the sky but i was hoping a thread named 'What casinos have the highest RTP UK?' might start appearing in a few searches and raise awareness.

In any case, i just check each time i play now.
'What casinos have the best payout' would be better considering most people have never heard of RTP :(
 

shadow123

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Average rtp should be part of a casinos ratings here on CM,dont know how much good it would do but
at least it might show that there are consequences for running at crap payouts.
Would suggest that 10 PNG,s and 10 red tigers were averaged out to come up a value.
I realize that it involves some work, I could do VS and Ladbrokes, the only 2 casinos where I am active
but on all other casinos if you are not a member you cant get to see the rtp.
Just an idea, if anyone is interested it would mean compiling a list of 20 games.
 
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