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Grand Prive: New T&C

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Scampo, Dec 13, 2005.

    Dec 13, 2005
  1. Scampo

    Scampo Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    work
    Location:
    in the sea
    I have received a nice gift of 300 credits no deposit from Bella Vegas but I can't get my head round the t&c - here's an extract. Am I right in thinking this is a 30x sticky bonus with all games allowed? thanks for any comments..

    "Prior to cashin a balance equal to, or greater than, the bonus amount must be in your account. This means that if you receive a $777 bonus, you cannot cashin before you've met the wagering requirements, and will have a balance of $777 left in your account after you cashin."

    So what happens to the left over cash? Can I bet it on roulette? :D I mailed support a day ago but no reply (probably as it makes no sense to them either)
     
  2. Dec 13, 2005
  3. gmblpdam

    gmblpdam Dormant account

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    Webmaster
    Location:
    New York
    I believe your refering to Bella Vegas. I looked into yesterday and heres how it works:
    you have to wager your deposit once. Then the bonus is credited to your account.

    Bonus amounts credited to a Players bonus account are subject to 30 times play through before they may be cashed in.
    Different games played may contribute a different percentage of the wager - up to 100%, towards the required play-through.
    The contributing percentages are as follows:
    (a) Slots, American Roulette and Parlor Games count 100% towards wagering requirements
    (b) Table Poker, all Roulettes excluding American Roulette, Casino War and Sicbo count 50% towards wagering requirements
    (c) Video Poker, all Blackjacks except Classic Blackjack, Craps and Baccarat count 10% towards wagering requirements
    (d) Classic Blackjack counts 2% towards wagering requirements

    kindof a new way to do wagering requirements, i thought it was interesting.
     
  4. Dec 13, 2005
  5. Scampo

    Scampo Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    work
    Location:
    in the sea
    but is it sticky?

    Thanks gmblpdam,
    I'm still not clear on whether it's sticky or not. Must say I have never heard of a sticky MG bonus.. also this was free money and it is not mentioned at all on the T&C. Got my 300 up to 940 now so might as well carry on and hope for the best.:)
     
  6. Dec 13, 2005
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    It's a phantom bonus, but (deliberately?) worded in a way that makes it sound like it's sticky!

    More from their T&C's:-
    This sounds exactly the same as the bonus at Global Player (equally confusing - I've played there for 3-months but STILL haven't worked out how the bonus works!!)

    It sounds like you have two separate accounts with the casino - a 'real' one & a 'bonus' one, because it says you can choose to play real or bonus cash.
    If the cash was all in one account, how could you choose?
    But this can't be right either, otherwise you could just play with your bonus & never touch your real money!

    Now I've confused myself even more! :eek:

    These are the most unclear T&C's I've seen in a long time - but one thing is for sure: if you withdraw your cash the bonus is lost. i.e. it's definitely phantom. :mad:

    I'm sure this offer is not as good as it sounds - any volunteers to try it...? :rolleyes:
     
  8. Dec 13, 2005
  9. Scampo

    Scampo Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    work
    Location:
    in the sea
    my brain hurts!

    Thanks KK, I only have one account - made 800 from the 300 "gift" so I will try to cash out 500 and see what happens. I have been playing all day so must have met any wagering requirements - put a coulple of screenshots up. My eyes are like this anyway :eek2:
     
  10. Dec 13, 2005
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Yes I saw there was only one account by delving deeper into their website after my last post.
    But I have still not figured out exactly how you convert your bonus cash into real cash...:confused:

    I have the same problem at Global Player - I deposited about 3-months ago & got $30 bonus. I have played Roulette for many many hours (very low stakes, admittedly), my balance never went below $30, and yet to date I have only somehow converted $7 of the bonus into real withdrawable cash! :what:

    Your brain hurts? I'm going to have to operate Mr.Gumby!! ;)
     
  12. Dec 13, 2005
  13. Scampo

    Scampo Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    work
    Location:
    in the sea
    Now It's Clear

    I didn't think of looking in the banking section, lo and behold you can actually see how much you can withdraw. Much to my delight I'm in the money! :)
     
  14. Dec 13, 2005
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Result! :thumbsup:
    Looks like you didn't wager much - which game(s) did you win so much on?

    Your case is simple because you only started with bonus money.
    I still can't get my head around how it works if you deposit....

    Things are further complicated by this apparently awful bit of maths in their T&C's:-
    Slots count 100% and Roulette 50% towards wagering, so how is "$2500 in slots and $750 in Roulette" 50% of $3000 ??? :confused:

    Also they are supposed to only remove the bonus when you cash in.
    In the above example, if you had met 50% of the WR your 'bonus balance' would be $50.
    Therefore $500 - $50 = $450, not $250 :what:


    I'm very interested in this offer as I love to play Roulette but usually don't because it's not included in WR at most places. :eek2:

    Hmmmm... might be worth a bash! :cool:

    Any Meisters out there know how it really works???
     
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2005
  16. Dec 13, 2005
  17. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    Global Player has the best bonus system, unfortunately it is less generous now than it used to be. The idea is that if you lose, a certain percentage of your loss, depending on the game, is taken from your bonus balance, and the rest from your withdrawable balance, so as you play, your bonus balance decreases gradually. You can always withdraw your withdrawable balance, you just lose your bonus balance. The great features of this system are that there is no WR, and you can never be worse off than if you had not taken a bonus.
     
  18. Dec 13, 2005
  19. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I think I can shed light on this.

    Having seen the screenshots I now see what is going on. I played at Lucky Chance before it closed, and they had this type of bonus system in a single account, so NO, Grand Privvy did NOT come up with this themselves.
    Lucky Chance was simple, and this looks similar. All the money is in one account, but partitioned into 2 segments. As you played, for each $100 wagered 2.5% converted into cash and could be withdrawn. At any withdrawal, any amount that was still bonus was lost. As the software cheated though, it was impossible to win by playing Blackjack basic strategy and win bonus back at 2.5%. The Blackjack game was just a slot in disguise.
    With MG, I believe Grand Privvy will get "eaten alive" by the bonus whores, who will simply play Vegas Strip and/or Atlantic City at 10%, or small slot wagers that count at 100%. (Unless there is something I have not spotted in the edited version T & C!). Naturally, if Grand Privvy fail to pay out, or continue to be a source of problems, this scheme will be of no benefit.
    It proves one thing though, MG casinos ARE capable of producing a tool for players to see how much towards WR they have made - this would be what makes this "Easy", not the convoluted T & C.
    I am tempted to sign up, so will go away for xmas till the feeling goes away!
     
  20. Dec 14, 2005
  21. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

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    Did I miss something? What problems? I've played here a lot and, touchwood, not had a cashout issue other than being given an unwanted bonus on one occasion.

    I also got the VIP freebie - and can now provide some redress to the opening screenshots I posted in my "nightmare screenshots" thread: two redeposits necessitated by pulling 88 with insufficient funds, then pulling another 8. That on the back of a spectacular run playing BJ at Spin Palace earlier today, and I'm currently in the mood to forgive Microgaming everything, up to an including Golden Palace.

    ...just not Ecogra. :)
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2005
  22. Dec 14, 2005
  23. trade

    trade Senior Member

    Occupation:
    recruiter
    Location:
    ontario
    Still wondering myself...

    I received the same Xmas gift, and read thru the T & C, without finding much clarity. It does not say anything about this gift going into a bonus account, but I guess (?) that's what happens... now Scampo, when you say you are in the money, is the "money" actually $667.87? The $79.11 where it says "Current Playthrough Achieved" is that only if you want to continue playing the bonus in hopes of increasing your cash out? What's with the "bonus money" of $140? which will be deducted if you cash out? Is that something available if you lose your $667.87 still available to you in this case? And if that was the scenario, does it go into your real account or something only cashable if you meet the $4200 play thru??>> Sorry, I have never played with this kind of bonus account so I am totally clued out on this. I would never deposit for a bonus that required a 30X play thru, but the $300 is a "gift" no deposit required, so I am not complaining about the wagering requirements. I just don't understand how, if this is a "bonus account", works from your banking screen shot- the lower info is kinda confusing re. your play thru. Help!
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2005
  24. Dec 14, 2005
  25. tombomb

    tombomb Dormant account

    Location:
    right here
    got $300 no deposit bonus also

    Claimed the bonus and received it.played alot of the new dinosaur slot and video poker. Went to the withdrawal page and it said I had 1240 available in the cash account and $10 left in the bonus account.the way I read the t & c's it said my cash balance could be withdrawan at any time with the bonus account going to zero.Made the withdrawal so lets see if I get paid.
     
  26. Dec 14, 2005
  27. tombomb

    tombomb Dormant account

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    tried to post a shot of my withdrawal page.didnt seem to work.I'll try it again
     
  28. Dec 15, 2005
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Problems.

    I was referring to all the problems posted about players having continuing problems with banking, particularly Neteller, and the casinos passing the buck. If it was a Neteller or MG issue it would not have been just affecting their sites, but a number of others as well. Also reports that players who took part in bonuses suddenly "lost" Neteller on next log in did not do them any good. If they have taken ownership of this and solved it, I have not seen any positive post about this, just a lack of further negative ones of late.
    I got the impression that they made life difficult if you won too much, just like gambling establishments here in the UK do.

    If they make "Accredited" status here though I will consider looking at them as I like the idea of a wagering tool, and the ability to sacrifice bonus chips to withdraw on demand at any time. Most T & C lock you in till the bitter end once even a single bet is placed. Currently, I feel if it's too good to be true, there has to be a catch.
     

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