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I wouldn't exactly call these predatory T&C, but they (at least to me) are rather confusing; and I've been mulling over multiple casinos' T&C for ages.
Item #27 from T&C:
Item #31
This is basically saying that anyone in management can revoke a players' bonus that's in their balance at any given time, for no reason at all? What's up with that? Maybe I'm reading it the wrong way, and if so, please correct me.
Hmm, here's more:
#35:
Which is it, 1x the bonus amount, or $100? For instance, say you take a $5ND bonus. Is the max cashout $5, or $100?
#38:
Is this standard for all casinos?
#34 conflicts (sort of) with #40:
then #40 states:
So....is it the managers discretion, or would an additional claimed free $ coupon be subject to voided winnings in any case (other than a retention bonus)...? And what happens if they extend the offer to someone that's only deposited once or twice in 6 months? Will they honor any winnings? What constitutes a "frequently depositing player?" At the very least, that information needs to be outlined in the T&C.
And I think it rather sucks that you limit cashouts to 20x the deposit amount if you take the 150% all games, or 400% slots/keno/scratch card 1st deposit bonus. You might want to re-think this ploy. It's definitely a dealbreaker for me. I'm a low-roller, and I'm definitely not going to deposit $25 for a chance to win, at most, $500 - while still having to roll it over 35x before meeting the WR. If you want to impose a maximum cashout with these initial bonuses offered to new players, then lower the WR, at the very least. I do have to admit that the "all games" 150% SUB looks very attractive, because there's no chance of forfeiting the bonus+winnings if you happened to play a restricted/excluded game. Plus, the 35x WR is still in place for this, even though it's weighted by the games you play. I've seen other casinos offer similar all games bonuses, that were also weighted, but with outrageous WR on up to 99x.
You're tying the hands of new depositors.
Scrolling further down the page, I see that there's more weekly bonuses in which you enforce this max cashout rule. One goes as low as 15x.
Source:
Item #27 from T&C:
Grand Fortune Casino reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of offers at any time and revoke or cancel any remaining bonus balance. It is your responsibility to periodically check here for changes and updates.
Item #31
Casino bonuses are allocated at the manager’s discretion and can be revoked at any time.
This is basically saying that anyone in management can revoke a players' bonus that's in their balance at any given time, for no reason at all? What's up with that? Maybe I'm reading it the wrong way, and if so, please correct me.
Hmm, here's more:
#35:
For free money coupons, and unless otherwise stated, max cashouts will be no more than 1X the bonus amount. For free money coupons below a value of $100, the max cashout will stand at $100.
Which is it, 1x the bonus amount, or $100? For instance, say you take a $5ND bonus. Is the max cashout $5, or $100?
#38:
All first withdrawals are subject to a verification deposit. Only a minimum verification deposit of $21 will be accepted.
Is this standard for all casinos?
#34 conflicts (sort of) with #40:
Players are only allowed withdrawals off ONE free money, no deposit bonus. Withdrawals on further no deposit bonuses will be at the discretion of the casino management.
then #40 states:
If you claim this WELCOME no deposit, free money coupon, you may not claim any other no deposit, free money coupon. Winnings on further free money coupons redeemed will be voided. *Only one no deposit welcome bonus is allowed per player. **Does not apply to registered, frequently depositing players with retention free money, no deposit coupons.
So....is it the managers discretion, or would an additional claimed free $ coupon be subject to voided winnings in any case (other than a retention bonus)...? And what happens if they extend the offer to someone that's only deposited once or twice in 6 months? Will they honor any winnings? What constitutes a "frequently depositing player?" At the very least, that information needs to be outlined in the T&C.
And I think it rather sucks that you limit cashouts to 20x the deposit amount if you take the 150% all games, or 400% slots/keno/scratch card 1st deposit bonus. You might want to re-think this ploy. It's definitely a dealbreaker for me. I'm a low-roller, and I'm definitely not going to deposit $25 for a chance to win, at most, $500 - while still having to roll it over 35x before meeting the WR. If you want to impose a maximum cashout with these initial bonuses offered to new players, then lower the WR, at the very least. I do have to admit that the "all games" 150% SUB looks very attractive, because there's no chance of forfeiting the bonus+winnings if you happened to play a restricted/excluded game. Plus, the 35x WR is still in place for this, even though it's weighted by the games you play. I've seen other casinos offer similar all games bonuses, that were also weighted, but with outrageous WR on up to 99x.
You're tying the hands of new depositors.
Scrolling further down the page, I see that there's more weekly bonuses in which you enforce this max cashout rule. One goes as low as 15x.
Source:
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