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[Jufo]

I have run VP simulations and if you leave the simulator on long enough it always hits the expected return of the game.
You could do this with BJ as well. It would take much less time to see the expected return in BJ compared to VP.

Yep, on a fair game this always happens. Mathematically it is the same that if you do a random walk starting from zero then you will eventually come back to zero at some point in the future.

But what do you think of the following actual bankroll graph?

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[petro]

I was making my own graph for a certain VP game at a certain casino but then gave up becasue *if* it was rigged it would have cost me into the hundreds of thousands to see.

That graph is only really useful if it is at the same casino on the same BJ game imo. Also, you would have to compare it to a BJ simulator to see if 20k hands is enough to make a fair judgement. Wizard of Odds could prolly tell you how many hands is enough to make a judgement with the rules of that BJ game.

 

[Jufo]

I was making my own graph for a certain VP game at a certain casino but then gave up becasue *if* it was rigged it would have cost me into the hundreds of thousands to see.

Yep, that's the problem. It is an expensive trial to find out when the casino is not willing to provide data.

That graph is only really useful if it is at the same casino on the same BJ game imo. Also, you would have to compare it to a BJ simulator to see if 20k hands is enough to make a fair judgement.

The graph is from one single casino (not 32Red) across several games. There are ways to correctly combine the statistics across multiple games. I have done detailed analysis of the results (still need to do some updates), the analysis has been verified by a 3rd party, and I will publish the evidence at a later point.

 

[09237653]

Intresting results. Id imagine graphs made from slots play would look the same or worse , seeing as a CS admitted my actual slots rtp was 83%. which was, his words "a bit low".

 

[retlaw]

The problem with video poker is it's high variance, so a 95% return is not a least bit abnormal as the return percentage will shoot up every time you hit a royal. The games where it is the easiest to prove manipulation are the low house edge, low variance games such as blackjack.

I agree.As the probability of a RF is approximately 1/40000 , manipulation is impossible to proof with real money playing.
A RF accounts for about 2.0% in RTP!!!!