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[jetset]

Warren's reply at CAP.........

Thanks to CM and Pinababy69 for bringing this to our attention. We have removed their listing but will keep this forum open (for now) to allow the management at Jackpots Heaven to address the issues raised. We do our best to ensure there are no outstanding player or affiliate complaints before a program is listed on CAP, but it seems like a good idea to involve players in testing before we accept new softwares.

Pinababy69, do you think it would work if we funded five players every time we receive an application to get listed on CAP from an operator with new software? It would be really useful for us to have player perceptions.

It has also been suggested to me (re: new software) that we also check if the owners have a criminal history, the casino has a valid license, and is certified by the TST. I think this is doable, but are we missing anything else?
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Re: Warren's reply....come on, get real! CAP's primary goal is to protect the affiliate, right? Well let me rephrase that, they are supposed to protect the affiliate. but now they want to put the responsibility of checking new software off on some players and have them check it for them? This is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever read.

Dom.......I like you and I respect you, but like others I don't understand you hanging in there with CAP. Whether you want to think it or not, you being there gives them a tiny bit of respectability, even though they certainly don't deserve it and they have proved it over and over again.

I think Warren must have kissed the Blarney Stone at least half a dozen times LOL - he certainly is fast on his feet and quite adept at deflecting attention from his own flaws.

Old political trick - tell 'em what they want to hear!

I keep getting told that almost all affiliates are active players as well, so that one doesn't fly with me Dom.

bb28 is right - imo you are doing yourself a disservice by continuing to involve yourself with CAP and allowing yourself to be used as an 'unofficial' spokesperson by Warren here and probably elsewhere.

 

[winbig]

What are these Daily Pageviews and Daily Ads Revenue numbers?
Pageviews stand for the number of Pageviews for all visitors, do not confuse this with unique visits (1 visitor can view 3 pages, that count as 3 pageviews). Daily Ads Revenue is the amount of money that we estimate that a certain website can earn if advertisement ads will be shown on all pages.

While this holds true in regards to someone that's selling "static" products say at $39.99 a pop, it doesn't hold true the revenue that can be obtained from the same amount of people visiting a gambling site that may dump $1,000 or more a day/week/month into a casino..

So in essence, this site is virtually useless for judging the value of affiliate sites - albeit for online casinos, B&M casinos, hotels, etc. - that are paid on commissions and not ad revenue.

 

[Webzcas]

Rob,

I agree with Dom here. Cubestat and other sites that 'value' websites are not accurate at all. For instance according to Cubestat Dom's site is worth less than my own, at just over $10k

Dom can I buy GamesandCasino.com off you? Will you take a cheque? LOL

 

[Casinomeister]

Cubestat - 100% inaccurate. They don't have my log files, so they have only a guess-timate on my traffic. Obviously, they don't have my financial statement either. Google is a publicly traded company - so those stats are published by Google. The rest is all guess work.

Back to CAP:

...We do our best to ensure there are no outstanding player or affiliate complaints before a program is listed on CAP, but it seems like a good idea to involve players in testing before we accept new softwares.
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Why is Gambling Wages being advertised there? It's a well known fact that Gambling Wages/Virtual Casino group refuse to pay this player who had legitimately won $1.5 million. Warren heard out Amit and heard me out as well in Vegas about this player issue.

This is some major stuff - the player was cheated, period. No one in their right mind should be giving this casino group the time of day. Personally, I won't deal with them anymore - I've had (and seen) enough.

Gambling Wages is a long time member of CAP, and I predict that this relationship won't change anytime soon.

 

[dominique]

Very true. And you will find similair situations on the other aff message boards.

And that is precisely why I want an affiliate driven evaluation.

Between the fact that the gambling wages forum contains nothing but payment complaints, and the soon to be affiliate evaluation, it should be clear as day to any affiliate what to think of promoting them.

Again, I am not part of affiliate media and I don't want to be and it is not my goal to run that company.

My interest lies solely in the CAP community, and at this juncture I have cleaned up free speech and banning issues and the information exchange is running nicely.

So now it's time to address the age old issue of affiliate boards and paid advertising. CAP is by no means the only one accepting advertising at large. The Jackpots thing IMO was stupid but it has spawned efforts to create a better screening process for the future. I for one will be interested to see what happens on that front.

Meanwhile, I don't want to wait until the world of advertising changes but want to counteract the effect it has always had.

Hence the affiliate driven evaluations, and no one has told me yet that there is a flaw in the affiliate driven evaluation process. Now, constructive criticism of that process, that would be helpful. It hasn't launched yet, there is time to make it better before it goes live. The point of the mail on the top of this thread was to alert CAP community members to the effort and to gather input and catch flaws before launch.

Why do things have to be destroyed instead of fixed? I was raised with the motto: "If it's broken, fix it!" And that has always served me well. I am not a young woman and I have my share of screw-ups under my belt. What matters in the end is that I always fix what I break. I expect the same of others, no less.

 

[nitro]

The Jackpots thing IMO was stupid but it has spawned efforts to create a better screening process for the future.

And that is precisely why I want an affiliate driven evaluation.

To screen and evaluate who pays the most money timely to the affiliates.

Hence the affiliate driven evaluations, and no one has told me yet that there is a flaw in the affiliate driven evaluation process.

Sure?

 

[Webzcas]

It is blatantly obvious due diligence does not exist at CAP. Otherwise Jackpot Heavens would not have been listed. The only criteria that exists to get listed is in the form of cleared funds being sent to Affiliate Media.

There are no excuses and any amount of spin by Warren won't wash.

 

[bb28]

Why do things have to be destroyed instead of fixed? I was raised with the motto: "If it's broken, fix it!" And that has always served me well. I am not a young woman and I have my share of screw-ups under my belt. What matters in the end is that I always fix what I break. I expect the same of others, no less.

Sometimes things are broken beyond repair......just saying. Oh and you didn't break it, so why do you feel its your responsibility to fix it? I'm just asking and I don't mean any disrespect, I hope you know that.

I'd just like to see that there was someplace out there that isn't tainted by money or/and a serious lack of scruples and ethics.

 

[dominique]

No offense taken, I don't get offended when people speak their honest opinions, that's what we are here for in the first place.

No, I didn't break it, but I spent 8 years helping to build it and for many years it served the community well and resolved many issues for people.

If you spend 8 years taking part in building a house and someone comes along with a sledge hammer and knocks all the windows out and lets the wind and the rain in, do you shrug your shoulders and walk away or do you try to fix it?

 

[bb28]

No offense taken, I don't get offended when people speak their honest opinions, that's what we are here for in the first place.

No, I didn't break it, but I spent 8 years helping to build it and for many years it served the community well and resolved many issues for people.

If you spend 8 years taking part in building a house and someone comes along with a sledge hammer and knocks all the windows out and lets the wind and the rain in, do you shrug your shoulders and walk away or do you try to fix it?

I can see how you have a lot of time and effort built into it, because 8 years is a long time, but I just wish your efforts were somewhere else. I think the community as a whole would be better served if CAP was no longer in existence, but that's JMO.

 

[RobWin]

Rob,

I agree with Dom here. Cubestat and other sites that 'value' websites are not accurate at all.

Cubestat - 100% inaccurate. They don't have my log files, so they have only a guess-timate on my traffic.

You guys have clearly missed my original point here where I said..."CAP" is not worth what it used to be" .... and it is not, you can check many different sites like Cubestat and see this...Cubestat is only one of them...although you would have had to of looked at it a little over a year ago to see what it was worth then to compare it accurately to todays value.

We all know that any site or anything for that matter is really only worth whatever the market will bring on that particular day you decide to sell it anyway.
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[RobWin]

Between the fact that the gambling wages forum contains nothing but payment complaints, and the soon to be affiliate evaluation, it should be clear as day to any affiliate what to think of promoting them.

And even though it contains nothing but payment complaints, Warren and CAP will continue to promote them and take their advertising dollar and you Dom will fight hell's fire to the end defending the "CAP Community" and how all of this is good archived info for the affiliate community as a whole...and in another breath defend Warren that he is trying to make things better but yet he still accepts money from crooks like these...have I purdy much got this correct here?

Also, if the affiliates say to everyone to not promote them will that also mean that CAP and Warren will drop them also and stop taking their money? You guys are going to evaluate existing programs too aren't you?

Again, I am not part of affiliate media and I don't want to be and it is not my goal to run that company.

My interest lies solely in the CAP community

I still don't understand why you keep trying to deflect the issue that these two entities fall under the same global umbrella! They are one in the same.

So now it's time to address the age old issue of affiliate boards and paid advertising. CAP is by no means the only one accepting advertising at large. The Jackpots thing IMO was stupid but it has spawned efforts to create a better screening process for the future. I for one will be interested to see what happens on that front.

So what has been the screening process for the past (8) years there? The fact that their money is green when it arrives....

Meanwhile, I don't want to wait until the world of advertising changes but want to counteract the effect it has always had.

Hence the affiliate driven evaluations, and no one has told me yet that there is a flaw in the affiliate driven evaluation process.

You haven't told us yet who these affiliates are that will be evaluating the programs either, unless I missed that somewhere. Do these affiliates that will be evaluating the programs have any ethics of their own, what is their moral values, do any of them currently promote a Virtual type casino? That list could go on and on Dom.

What parameters would you set in place for an affiliate to be able to evaluate a new program, how long would that affiliate have to have been in business, etc. etc.?
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[dominique]

You haven't told us yet who these affiliates are that will be evaluating the programs either, unless I missed that somewhere. Do these affiliates that will be evaluating the programs have any ethics of their own, what is their moral values, do any of them currently promote a Virtual type casino? That list could go on and on Dom.

What parameters would you set in place for an affiliate to be able to evaluate a new program, how long would that affiliate have to have been in business, etc. etc.?
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Affiliates at large can vote.