Good&Bad Providers when trying to win at slots.

bamberfishcake

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Just a thought -

If all companies within an industry jointly effect the price of a product for personal gain then it can sometimes fall under market manipulation which is illegal under fair competition rules in the UK.

Malta also has competition act to ensure fair markets for the consumer.

Any legal heads in the forum who would be so kind as to entertain this thought?

Quite happy for a 'dont be stupid fishcake, you really should eat breakfast before posting'.
 

pinnit2014

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Just a thought -

If all companies within an industry jointly effect the price of a product for personal gain then it can sometimes fall under market manipulation which is illegal under fair competition rules in the UK.

Malta also has competition act to ensure fair markets for the consumer.

Any legal heads in the forum who would be so kind as to entertain this thought?

Quite happy for a 'dont be stupid fishcake, you really should eat breakfast before posting'.

Not a lawyer (chucked it after Uni and did a pivot) but there’s, AFAIK, no casino with a dominant position, nor are there only 3/4 offering the product etc; plus the fact it’s still above what’s permitted, I would doubt it.....if it was a cartel esque position I think you’d need to show that their actions were prohibiting others from entering the market as well.

In fact, maybe the opposite would apply if you said ‘must be 96%’; some smaller potential operators may argue that such a position actually excludes them from entering the arena.

Pass....
 

paul7388

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Just a thought -

If all companies within an industry jointly effect the price of a product for personal gain then it can sometimes fall under market manipulation which is illegal under fair competition rules in the UK.

Malta also has competition act to ensure fair markets for the consumer.

Any legal heads in the forum who would be so kind as to entertain this thought?

Quite happy for a 'dont be stupid fishcake, you really should eat breakfast before posting'.

Dont be stupid fishcake, you really should eat breakfast before posting . :)
 

bamberfishcake

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Not a lawyer (chucked it after Uni and did a pivot) but there’s, AFAIK, no casino with a dominant position, nor are there only 3/4 offering the product etc; plus the fact it’s still above what’s permitted, I would doubt it.....if it was a cartel esque position I think you’d need to show that their actions were prohibiting others from entering the market as well.

In fact, maybe the opposite would apply if you said ‘must be 96%’; some smaller potential operators may argue that such a position actually excludes them from entering the arena.

Pass....

That all sounds logical.

Thanks, im off for breakfast as per Pauls instructions followed by a bike ride with the kids. My boy has finally lost his training wheels (not a pseudonym for all you jokers out there, hes 4 for Christ's sake!).

So Daddy gets to play on his own bike also now, brrrm, brrrm!
 

ternur

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He said Legal, not Piss :p

I was so saddened by this mean spirited comment, that it took me a day to find the strength to reply*. And still can't find the words, so a song it is.


*) I'm kidding. I was not sober. Therefore, by definition not able to feel sadness.
 

Kroffe

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I can no longer edit my first post, but there are some additions to the list!
Quickspin and Thunderkick joins the list of shame!


NetEnt - some of their slots
Play n'Go - ALL
Thunderkick - some of their slots
Nolimit city - ALL
Red Tiger - ALL
Pragmatic - ALL
Novomatic - ALL
Igt - ALL
PariPlay - ALL
Betsoft - ALL
SG Digital - some of their slots
Quickspin - some of their slots
Thunderkick - some of their slots
 

Nate

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I can no longer edit my first post, but there are some additions to the list!
Quickspin and Thunderkick joins the list of shame!


NetEnt - some of their slots
Play n'Go - ALL
Thunderkick - some of their slots
Nolimit city - ALL
Red Tiger - ALL
Pragmatic - ALL
Novomatic - ALL
Igt - ALL
PariPlay - ALL
Betsoft - ALL
SG Digital - some of their slots
Quickspin - some of their slots
Thunderkick - some of their slots

Do you know which casino has started with Thunderkick and any examples of before and after?

Nate
 

Kroffe

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Do you know which casino has started with Thunderkick and any examples of before and after?

Nate
As far as i know, most Thunderkick slots still only have one version.
Pink Elephants 2 was the first slot they did different versions for (i think).
Vs is using a 94% version of that,

Beat the beast series seems to only have one version, atleast ive only seen those at 96% (even at vs)
I happened to see a game-sheet from an upcoming slot of theirs, and it does not even list a 96% version.
Only 94% so its possible they will make that their new default.
 

MrEvil

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@Kroffe Nice list, seems very accurate.

Pragmatic should be on it's own list, takes a lot of dedication to go from a decent provider to the worst one. Their newer games are super expensive to play, even the ones that arent super volatile.

Pretty sure Street Racer and Dog House Megaways would have been amazing if Blueprint made them. No idea how Pragmatic does it, but every time i try one i leave with a huge loss, and without having had the free spins.

Pragmatic games are well made and nice to look at, but who cares when they need the GDP of a small country to grind out a feature.
 

goatwack

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I almost, almost played that Dog House Megaways after all the recent shenanigans in the comp thread, and the fact that Pragmatic aren't a provider I ever tried with real money. Or fun funds.

Got as far as the start screen, was instantly dissuaded by the 'volatility' meter being at maximum when skimming the screen, and soon beat a hasty retreat. The music was super catchy though.

Went to Bonanza instead, bust out in 35 minutes
 

Kroffe

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I almost, almost played that Dog House Megaways after all the recent shenanigans in the comp thread, and the fact that Pragmatic aren't a provider I ever tried with real money. Or fun funds.

Got as far as the start screen, was instantly dissuaded by the 'volatility' meter being at maximum when skimming the screen, and soon beat a hasty retreat. The music was super catchy though.

Went to Bonanza instead, bust out in 35 minutes
Yeah, it can be a real drain on the balance.
Think i have about 400 spins now without a bonus, biggest win 8x basegame hit.
Never done more than 50 at a time because its so depressing watching all the deadspins.
 

MrEvil

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Got as far as the start screen, was instantly dissuaded by the 'volatility' meter being at maximum when skimming the screen, and soon beat a hasty retreat. The music was super catchy though.

You shouldn't trust the Pragmatic volatility meter, even the ones with half the meter full are more volatile than other providers. Dead spinning your money away until you feel like playing football on the highway just to remember what it feels like to be excited.

If you get hit by a car you can at least claim you felt something, which is more than you can say after playing a pragmatic slot.
 
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