Golden Palace vs Sunpoker.com

Casinomeister

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Sunpoker had just released a press release yesterday announcing their winning bid:

SunPoker.com Advertises on Pregnant Woman's Belly
Friday February 11, 9:28 am ET


WILLEMSTAD, Curacao--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
Feb. 11, 2005--From billboards in Las Vegas to magazine
and television ads around the globe, SunPoker.com has
been making its mark in every advertising venue imaginable,
and now is taking its message where few have gone
before...a woman's pregnant belly.


SunPoker.com won an eBay auction at a price of $8,900 which
is sure to help Elise Harp, a single Mom-to-be from Atlanta,
Georgia buy enough diapers and baby formula to last quite a
while. SunPoker.com plans to use its newfound ad space to
advertise their online poker room, which is one of the largest
on the Internet. They will have to hurry though because it's
only going to last another 45 days. Elise is due March 30th.


"We're not really sure of where this will lead, but we do
realize people like to see and feel a pregnant woman's belly
so we thought we would use the space as a new form of print
media," laughs Nick Melrose, SunPoker.com's Poker Manager.
"Seriously though, it's a tough thing to be a single mother in
today's world, and we hope the money helps Elise and her baby."


Elise has already attracted international recognition from
numerous media outlets including ABC's Good Morning America,
CBS News Atlanta, FOX, and several newspapers. So much so,
her eBay auction page had maxed out on its bandwidth capacity
due to all the visitors looking for a glimpse of the former Miss
Hawaiian Tropic beauty.


Looks like GP made a side offer. :D
 

oldman

Dormant account
Bryan, here is even more news from good old Golden Palace:

The online casino GoldenPalace.com bid the highest in an unusual eBay auction and obtained the right to change the name of Bostons FleetCenter Sports Center to its own name -- GoldenPalace.com -- for one day.

A bid of $35,099 was what it took to turn a center for professional team sports and other events into an online casino. The one-day name transition has just passed -- February 16, 2005. And yesterday the GoldenPalace.com Sports Center, so to speak, had an advertising presence at the Jumbotron for the Boston Celtics and Memphis Grizzlies NBA game.


GoldenPalace.com also replaced the FleetCenter name on the FleetCenter's Website. When phone callers called the FleetCenter's automated phone system on Wednesday, they were greeted with a friendly voice that welcomed them to GoldenPalace.com.


:notworthy :D
 

caruso

Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll
Yaaaaay, good ole' fun-loving, rascals-you-love-to-hate-but-who-still-make-you-smile Golden Palace.

Golden Palace, who stole somewhere between $150,000 and $300,000 of players' money in early 2000, lost their Microgaming license then used that stolen bankroll to finance their rebirth under a new provider.

Golden Palace, who are now "accepted" and whose unresolved, unrepented crimes are forgotten.

Golden Palace, who are no longer "rogues" because anything with a date-stamp older than three years doesn't matter.
 

Casinomeister

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caruso said:
Golden Palace, who stole somewhere between $150,000 and $300,000 of players' money in early 2000, lost their Microgaming license then used that stolen bankroll to finance their rebirth under a new provider.

Golden Palace, who are now "accepted" and whose unresolved, unrepented crimes are forgotten.

Golden Palace, who are no longer "rogues" because anything with a date-stamp older than three years doesn't matter.
If you can back any of this up with factual evidence (please don't point me to some un-moderated thread posted at WOL or wherever). Then I will re-rogue them in a heartbeat.

GP was one of the reasons the rouge section was developed in the first place - they were the poster child. But after a number of years passed by, the past offenses became a blur. And with a number of updates, they were subsequently removed.

IMO the rogue section must remain dynamic - to place someone there and just let them sit there and forget about them for several years is not painting an accurate picture. As of now, the only thing that GP is guilty of is slow payments and stupid promotional stunts (they are there listed under the "Stupid Casino Tricks" section by the way).

Fair is fair. Again, if you can provide evidence to support your allegations, I'd me more than happy to showcase this
 

deezamn

Dormant account
Ahh...so that's where my monthly bonus money from Caribbean Sun went...to ink a pregnant woman's belly. I guess that's a good cause?
 

kengam

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they closed 2 of my accounts at Golden Palace and sister site with about 4k in them total in 2000. I had other monies in other sister sites, but I was fortunate enough to wok out a withdrawal deal with them on those.

I can assure you that there are several players who have yet to receive any money from their seized accounts.

Bryan, are you saying that the industry should recognize a statue of limitation on blacklisting a casino due to illegal seizure of funds? I am getting older, but I stilll have vivid memories of this incident. How quickly some can forget the theivery and barbaric treatment this outfit has shown players in the past. We are talking the year 2000, not all that long ago.
 

eek

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Would be more profitable than bonus scamming....

Open a casino, nick $200,000. Get blacklisted.

Spend $50,000 a year on beer for 4 years.

Reopen again 4 years later as an ok place
(albeit with a major hangover).
:D
 

Casinomeister

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kengam said:
Bryan, are you saying that the industry should recognize a statue of limitation on blacklisting a casino due to illegal seizure of funds?
Nope not in the least bit. Give me a few days, and I bet I can come up with a few unresolved issues. Feel free to PAB and I'll put something together.
 

oldman

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eek said:
Would be more profitable than bonus scamming....

Open a casino, nick $200,000. Get blacklisted.

Spend $50,000 a year on beer for 4 years.

Reopen again 4 years later as an ok place
(albeit with a major hangover).
:D
REALLY excellent idea! :lolup:
but that after-4-years-boozzzing hangover... :eek2: :D
 
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oldman

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A question

But who gets attracted/seduced by their ridiculous publicity and play at their casino? somebody definitely must, since they still are here... :confused:
 

caruso

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I think Kengam knows more about this than I do - and I'll take a guess that Ted Loh's in there as well with some useful info since he was involved at the time - but I'll also look to ferreting out some candidates.

I thought it was common knowledge that they had huge unpaid debts. The fact that time has passed changes nothing. 300K is always 300K.
 

largeeyes

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deezamn said:
Ahh...so that's where my monthly bonus money from Caribbean Sun went...to ink a pregnant woman's belly. I guess that's a good cause?

Yep, definitely explains the drop in all sorts of bonuses at the group. Must have hired GP's pr firm..... :lolup: :lolup:

BTW, why am I Gnome ******. Makes it sound like I molest gnome's or something. I simply put Gnome Leader.........
 

tim5ny

Quit Gambling
Golden Palace, with all their crazy antics and weird Ebay purchases, has found its way into the mainstream media in a way that no other online casino has that I am aware of. When a first time player comes along, they are more likely to play at a casino that they've heard of. Wheather it be for paying tens of thousands of dollars for a partially eaten grilled-cheese sandwich, or the publicity gained from buying a walking cane with ghost included, you have to admit that their advertising dept. is very creative, and wheather silly or not, the name is getting exposure. I believe that GP, in its wisdom, has realized that a sucker is born every minute, and that they can make a very good living by getting a good share of the new online gamblers even if they only get one or two deposits from each of them before the customer moves along to someplace that is more reputable.
 

paul1

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I may be very wrong here. My memory is vague. But when I first started learning about online gambling a few years ago, I read about the GP fiasco.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they actually do something at someone's HOUSE? Someone who "badmouthed" them on the Boards or something like that? Seems to me I remember reading something about something like that. Some kind of threat or knocking someone's trashcans over or something.

If I am wrong and no one can remember this story, perhaps I can delete this post in a few days. I certainly don't want to unfairly talk about something I don't know about. But my vague memory sure is ringing a bell on it.

Can someone verify this? If not, I would ask the Casinomeister if I can delete this post.
 

Casinomeister

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paul1 said:
I may be very wrong here. My memory is vague. But when I first started learning about online gambling a few years ago, I read about the GP fiasco.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they actually do something at someone's HOUSE? Someone who "badmouthed" them on the Boards or something like that? Seems to me I remember reading something about something like that. Some kind of threat or knocking someone's trashcans over or something.

If I am wrong and no one can remember this story, perhaps I can delete this post in a few days. I certainly don't want to unfairly talk about something I don't know about. But my vague memory sure is ringing a bell on it.

Can someone verify this? If not, I would ask the Casinomeister if I can delete this post.
I have all of the information on this. It included threatening phone calls and tires being slashed. The problem is who is to be believed here? The "victim" is serving a number of years in a federal prison for fraud and tax evasion :D
 

Slotster!

I predict a riot.
CAG
This thread gives me a great idea!

I'm thinking of auctioning advertising space on a certain part of my anatomy too... Ahem.

Actually, I've just realised... I'll be fine if "32RED" or "1on1" win it, but I've had it if "Sands of the Caribbean" or "Royal Vegas Online Casino" come in with a winning bid :eek2:
 

Casinomeister

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Slotster! said:
This thread gives me a great idea!

I'm thinking of auctioning advertising space on a certain part of my anatomy too... Ahem.

Actually, I've just realised... I'll be fine if "32RED" or "1on1" win it, but I've had it if "Sands of the Caribbean" or "Royal Vegas Online Casino" come in with a winning bid :eek2:
:lolup:
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
One fact that is beyond dispute is that Mark Francis as Security Manager and his little gang clearly acted with the approval of the owners in screwing dozens of players out of monies that were due to them. Even back then leading message boards like this one and WOL were full of very active threads from players claiming that they had been ripped off.

Many of them were known and well respected posters who would have no reason to lie, and there was the criminal background that was associated with the owners, who had previously paid a massive (a record for Canada at that time) fine for telemarketing fraud.

I wish The Original Mary was still active, because she did some fantastic public document research that exposed much of the unpalatable nature of Golden Palace associations back then.

The players never abandoned their claims, and attempts to start a boycott failed. GP effectively got away with it and despite the huge amount of bad publicity and damage to reputation they accrued they were clearly able to survive, presumably by offering more bonuses and targeting the newbie players.

Few of us around at that time will ever forget what GP did, and despite the noticeable lack of current complaints few will ever forgive. GP went on to become even more profitable and successful, yet never once did they consider doing the one thing that might have helped them retrieve something of their reputation - offering reparations to everyone they screwed back in 2000.

I don't see that happening - ever.

But the argument on rogue status is a valid one. With no apparent operational misconduct over a period of years, GP has presumably learned that screwing players is not very smart in a business sense, never mind the honesty ethic.

So you're left with five year old history associated with their name, and the bitter memories of those who suffered at their hands and still post. I suspect the minority of players who research before playing may regard that as old news that can be disregarded with safety based on current record. Others will be more sensible and more cautious, working on the theory that this leopard doesn't change it's spots.
 

Casinomeister

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jetset said:
I wish The Original Mary was still active, because she did some fantastic public document research that exposed much of the unpalatable nature of Golden Palace associations back then.
I have these all archived, and as I remember, there was some pretty crazy stuff. I'll take a dig into these next week. It's a weekend, and I shouldn't be bothering with this stuff :D
 

eek

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The original telemarketing scam that Mary connected to GP.
(Jack Stroll and Mark Francis)

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