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Golden Palace Progressive

Discussion in 'Online Casino Archive through Dec 2001' started by splitem, Nov 6, 2001.

  1. splitem

    splitem Guest

    I just got an email promo from GP. In it they state that they recently had a winner on their Caribbean Poker progressive for $340,000.00.
    I have not seen this games total exceed $60,000.00?!?!
    In fact, other than a win waaaay back on one of their progressive slots I have not seen any GP winners, and I follow all the major progressives from Crypto, MGS, KS etc.
    Has anyone else noticed this?
     
  2. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    The guy above makes a good point...The infamous Golden Palace seem to be advertised almost everywhere..Notably the Wizard of odds....I hope mentioning the wizard of odds site does'nt get regarded as spamming.I believe the site is well known as a players site...Well i saw a really wonderfull piece on how the wizard acknowledges the Palace have behaved within reason.If the man aboves question is valid,then a quiet word from the OPA to the Wizard may be in order. I mean,possibly (alledgedly) falsely advertising a $300,000 + payout borders on internet gaming blasphemy...Does'nt it?
     
  3. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    I think your wrong about the Wiz adverting GP.

    In his Ask the Wizard column of August, it states
    that is website partner Webstorm accidently advertised them, and that this was unacceptable to him, and he contacted Webstorm again, and they
    agreed to eliminate the ads.

    If you want I'll reprint this for you if necessary, right from his website.
     
  4. socal

    socal Dormant account

    Opened an account at Golden Palace recently after hearing Howard Stern promote them. Won a lot playing BJ (2K)... then lost it all being greedy. Since I wager mostly on sports, these casino exclusive establishments are (were) not familiar to me. Stern's promo was good enough for my very small depo to try it out. Anyway... since my "test drive" went as well as it did, I've become much more curious about playing on a regular basis. I decided to do my homework and have been visiting/lurking/reading many different forums and opinions. It was a surprise to read the many negative comments about GP and their recent lock outs due to bonus abuse. That has fueled my motivations to keep researching and accumulating info. For the time being, I am going to continue play at GP and test out the payout promptness. Other than those bonus lock-out posts, I've not read anything bad about GP and MY personal experience has been very good.

    I'm way off on a tangent now. The actual reason I wrote was because this thread seems to indicate that GP has lower rated progressives. If your refering to Poker ONLY.... Yes, the Carib Poker is at 60k right now, but their slots (.25, .50, $1, $2, $5, $5) are at 45k, 49k, 215k, 330k, 218k, and 225k respectively. I have no clue if someone reset the carib poker by winning it, but these slot progressives are kinda high.

    I am going to continue playing there because I've received excellent svc, some comps, and I was able to win quite a bit (before getting "gambling fever" greedy). If anything should prevent me from collecting down the line, I will take my story to every forum including to Stern. I've played UG - BJ at several sportsbooks before and have had the sense that something was amiss. My GP gaming experience was much more secure in the randomness. Anyway. that's my stream of consciousness 2 cents. Hopefully I'll be posting my "2 grand" next.
     
  5. linda127

    linda127 Dormant account

    Give me a break...is the above post the biggest spam post you have ever seen!!!! GP is dishonest. It has been proven time and time again.

    As far as Howard Stern promoting it...that is called advertising. Ever see a commercial where they promise your teeth will be 10 shades whiter in 2 weeks? What they really mean is that your pocket will be lighter within 2 seconds of you reaching the checkout counter!!!!!
     
  6. mary

    mary Dormant account

    "Other than those bonus lock-out posts, I've not read anything bad about GP"

    And those aren't bad enough? What, I haven't posted enough about the connections to telemarketing fraud?
     
  7. gramsey

    gramsey Dormant account

    just wanted AIB to know i am :boring: I still miss playing there :(
     
  8. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    I could swear i read an article in the Wizard regarding how he sees G/P's point and that he was wrong to blast them on his site previously..
     
  9. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Why not email and ask him...and then post his response here?
     
  10. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    Dear Jetset.
    Here is what i sent.
    And...
    Here is his answer.

    Hi Amanda:

    Here you go: You must register/login in order to see the link..

    Regards,

    Mike

    Michael Shackleford "The Wizard of Odds"
    For the best in gambling advice visit www.thewizardofodds.com
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Amanda Matthews
    To: This email is not visible to you.
    Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:39 PM
    Subject: G/Palace


    Dear Wizard,hello,Amanda here...

    I don't know where to find any archives regarding your site.

    I am either asking you where i find back copies of your site or for your input regarding.....

    Golden Palace.

    I recall reading an article on your site where you say you see Golden Palaces point as made regarding bonuses and player account lockouts of a while back.

    Would that be correct or a misrepresentation?

    I look forward to your reply.Amanda.

    p.s,thanks for teaching me how to play Jacks or Better via your site....ajm


    He answered the next day.
    I have definately seen a G/P advert on his site lately.(wherever it came from)
    I think the article does not actually concede thier point(G/P),so i apologise for misquoting him.I would like to add though,the article does'nt fall far short of condoning thier actions.It's a bit like religous text really,"all in the interpretation",so to speak.

    What say you?

    p.s.May i say i like the Wizard site.I don't know how this all works really.If posting his email reply to me is wrong and/or bad,then hopefully all parties accept my apologies as of now and Admin just delete this post without banning me from this forum...ajm
     
  11. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    Dear Dave r

    If you say he cancelled the adverts,then a quiet word in the Wizards ear would be pointless.He's obviously heard it before,so your point is made...

    I eat my words.(story of my life)
     
  12. socal

    socal Dormant account

    Linda127 has deemed my post to be "the biggest spam post [ever]" and opa Mary questions why I would play at a casino knowing they have locked others out for abusing bonuses.

    Well, what can I say to Linda except...you're wrong if you think I am a GP shill or know anyone at their establishment beyond that of being a new client. I posted my semi-good fortune of a great BJ run ($200 depo run up to $2300) which I couldn't hold onto. No big deal though. I can see how you might think I'm spamming for GP from that part of my post, but the truth is, I was sharing progressive info from a casino I had some fun in. That was the extent of my intentions.

    And to OPA Mary, well, your statements about telemarketing fraud and GP are news to me. How about posting a link or directing me to the latest news archive so I can get up to speed.

    And as for the lock outs of bonus abusers. I can't help but think there must be more to the story. It would be interesting to learn more about these players specific cases. I envision that there are probably MANY players out there who nickle and dime these casinos to no end by scheming ways to play for free. Opening multiple accounts, etc. Personally, I don't want to belong to numerous casinos and I don't deposit to the ones that I do belong to based strictly on bonuses. There are benefits to be had by being a loyal, regular customer. I've evidenced this via my play at internet sports books over the years. If GP reg/loyal customers were screwed...that's another story... I just have the sense from what I've read that the lock-outs were of people that were trying to obtain these tiny bonuses via various methods and withdraw them very quickly.

    However, If there are regular and loyal players who were locked out... then GP made a grave mistake. Me? I'd be waiting outside H. Stern's door until he heard my story. He'd pull the advertising for sure and he'd probably make a project out of running them out of business if the info was presented to him correctly.

    Anyway.. I've been unable to put together another BJ run and am taking a break. Perhaps the ensuing posts will be informational. I hope so.
     
  13. mary

    mary Dormant account

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Telemarketing Operation Fined a Record $300,000 Under the Competition
    Act For Scamming Thousands of Victims

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    The Competition Bureau announced yesterday that 3076784 Canada Inc.,
    carrying on business as National Clearing House-Nationwide Clearing
    House and The National Clearing House, and the company president,
    Jack Stroll a.k.a. Jack Strulovitch, pleaded guilty to the highest
    fine ever imposed against a deceptive telemarketing firm under the
    misleading advertising provisions of the Competition Act.

    A fine of $290,000 against the corporate entity and a fine of $10,000
    against Mr. Stroll were imposed by the Quebec Superior Court.

    Prize-pitch deceptive telemarketing is a serious problem in the
    marketplace. This case demonstrates our commitment to attack the
    various forms of deceptive telemarketing in co- operation with other
    law enforcement agencies. The Bureau's law enforcement partners; OPP
    Project Phonebusters, The Montreal Metropolitan Urban Police Force
    and the R.C.M.P. provided valuable assistance that contributed to the
    successful conclusion for this matter.

    The charges relate to deceptive telemarketing and direct mail
    practices carried out by the Montral area operation during the
    period of November 1, 1994 to October 31, 1995. National Clearing
    House mailed "Official Claim Certificates" to consumers in every
    province of Canada with the exception of the province of Qubec. The
    mail piece stated that they had been selected to receive at least one
    of five valuable awards, but stated that to be eligible to receive
    the awards they must call the firm within 72 hours. The odds of
    receiving the various awards, and that a purchase was required to
    receive the awards, was disclosed in very small print on the reverse
    side of the mail piece. Consumers responding to the mail piece were
    told that to be eligible to receive the awards they had to purchase
    grossly overpriced promotional items.

    The awards offered ranged from a Ford Explorer to a diamond &
    sapphire pendant. Investigators did not uncover one winner of the
    Ford Explorer or of the other valuable award, the satellite tv dish.
    Consumers received the same three awards; the diamond & sapphire
    pendant, the airfare for two to Hawaii, and the cellular telephone.
    However, so many terms and conditions applied to the airfare to
    Hawaii and to the cellular phone, that they had essentially no value,
    and the diamond & sapphire pendant was comprised of a low value
    commercial grade diamond. The conditions applicable to the awards
    were either not disclosed or were only partially disclosed to the
    consumer at the time of the transaction .

    In addition, the Court imposed a Prohibition Order to prevent the
    repetition of the anticompetitive conduct against the corporate
    entity, Mr. Stroll and against the following managers and
    telemarketers:

    Joel Greenspoon also known as Joel Green,
    Mark Francis,
    Leo Hackenbroch also known as Leo Hack,
    Robert Martin Schwartz also known as Robert Martin,
    Myra Kerzner Cohen also known as Myra Kerzner,
    Ann Slodovnick also known as Ann Slade and
    Velna Bernice Griffith-Johnson also known as Bernice Johnson.

    For further information, please contact:
    Joanne John
    (819) 953-4257
    GOLDEN PALACE ONLINE CASINO SETS UNWANTED PRECEDENCE AND OTHERS FOLLOW... Written by Sting
    06.26.00
    Now that we have determined the Golden Palace Casino, one of the oldest in the industry, to be based in Antigua and licensed by that tiny island nation's government, the next question is why has the government not taken action to rectify a situation that continues to get way out of hand? Making matters worse in fact is Golden Palace's response to the accusations regarding "bonus confiscation" AND the Antigua government's announcement that their license was reinstated....as if we really needed to hear THAT.

    Once again, while I am no advocate of "exploitation" of online casino and sportsbook bonuses, I find it reprehensible that a book would simply take it upon themselves to confiscate such monies regardless of whether the individuals chose to continue patronizing the establishment or just did so only to take advantage of the bonus offer. It is the operator's responsibility to establish ground rules prohibiting individuals from "abusing" bonus programs. Whether persons in this situation engaged in so-called "bonus abuse" is a nonissue. The issue centers around an online casino's confiscating money from players accounts at will.

    Now we learn that other online casinos have also begun engaging in similar practices. Casino Depot is the latest. They too use Microgaming software.

    Our own online casino expert pointed us in the right direction. "Sting, the following comes from a post at You must register/login in order to see the link.. James (Layland) is part of You must register/login in order to see the link. and is a frequent poster and expert on casinos and their bonus policies. He is quite sharp, an engineer I believe. He once wrote he was making more than double his income playing bonuses by the casinos rules."

    <,<,Dear Mr. Francis (Casino Depot),

    On April 27th, Casino Depot removed $6995 from my account. (Actually, make that $7025, since you charged me $30 for a wire you didn't send.) See attached log.

    You have stated that you feel this action is justified because I defrauded your casino by playing according to your rules. Personally, I feel the fraud is on your side, but let's not point fingers right now.

    You have informed Dov at Gambling Grumbles that you will consider accounts on a case-by-case basis; I assume from our previous conversation that my account is already well-considered and closed.

    You feel that I have defrauded your casino by playing in previous promotions and winning a total of about $7000. I feel that you have stolen $7000 that is rightfully mine.

    I am a gambler, and as gambling is the business of a casino, I propose we play double-or-nothing.

    1) You put $7000 back into my account and re-open it. 2) I deposit $7000 into my account, which is roughly the total of my winnings over the past 6 months at Golden Palace and Casino Depot. 3) I gamble in your casino, giving total action exceeding $50,000 (or until broke), verified by Microgaming. 4) In the event that I win, you PAY me. I have copied this to Microgaming, Antigua Gaming, Gambling Grumbles, Got2Bet, and the newly forming Online Players Association, in hopes that they will be interested in overseeing the fairness of any deal. 5) Win or lose, if you keep your end of the bargain, I will post on all the message boards I frequent, and on my column at www.gamemasterarcade.com, that my case was resolved to my satisfaction.

    Details are negotiable.

    Think about it.

    - James Layland<,Dear Mr Layland

    I have looked over your accounts and your proposal. The first point that I would like to bring up is regarding your proposal. Mr Layland I have one question for you: Haven't we paid you enough already? I mean seriously we have been more than generous by offering these promo's we have paid you thousands of dollars already. Rather than being content you choose to try and argue for something that is really not yours. You call yourself a gambler well you certainly did not prove that to me. We have actually taken a decision to lock you out and ban you from our casino and we will suggest that our competitors do the same. You are obviously not content with the thousands of dollars in promo monies you've received, it does not seem to be enough for you to promote us already. So in answer to your proposal I will sum it up by saying "thanks but no thanks" I have done something even better.

    Just to show that it is not about the money I have taken the promo monies retrieved from your account and sent it to the IGC for them to donate it to a charitable cause of their choice, you see Mr Layland it is not about the money but the principle.

    Regards

    Mark Francis Credit Manager>,>,

    What these operators do not understand is that this bonus money, regardless of HOW MUCH they offer, is a GIFT.....and gifts cannot be taken back then sent to some other agency. This is completely intolerable in my eyes. Antigua needs to take a stand on this issue. The online gaming community is becoming quite antsy over what is taking place.

    A new precedence has been set where operators can just remove monies from players accounts. THAT bonus money is rightfully his! It is the casinos job to make sure their bonus program does not get abused BEFORE THE FACT, NOT AFTER.
    GOLDEN PALACE AUDIT...Written by Elizabeth May
    10.04.00
    Once again Golden Palace has dodged a bullet. In June, a group of players lodged a complaint against Golden Palace Online Casino to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission in Canada, where Golden Palace is now licensed. These players, and others, provided documentation that they had been locked out of their accounts by Golden Palace, and that money still in their accounts had been seized by the casino. Golden Palace agreed that they had, in fact, taken this action against players they termed "bonus abusers". Golden Palace, through their spokesman, Mark Francis, also stated that the money confiscated from players accounts had been donated to the IGC to be given to a charity.

    The Mohawk Territory Kahnawake Gaming Commission has set themselves up to authenticate the honesty of the entities that are licensed under their jurisdiction. This commission, in June, concluded that "Golden Palace's actions in the disputed case were 'justified and did not contravene the provisions of the (Kahnawake) Regulations.' " *

    Microgaming, who licenses the software for Golden Palace, authorized an audit of Golden Palace by PriceWaterhouseCoopers, the accounting firm retained by Microgaming to audit their gaming software. This audit was to be completed with the stipulation that "all parties" would be bound by the results of this audit.

    The results of this audit have yet to be published anywhere. However, it would seem that given the public nature of the announcement by Microgaming of the audit taking place, it would be incumbent upon them to publish the results of the audit. They make a selling point of the results of audits of their websites. Recently, I received the following reply to an inquiry from me about this audit.

    "Dear Elizabeth,

    Thank you for contacting me.

    Microgaming facilitated the audit by in PwC in an attempt to settle this dispute, however, apart from paying for it, we are not actually involved.

    I understand the matter has been settled amicably between all concerned, have you contacted the parties who were involved in the ruling?

    Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

    Kind regards

    Lisa Wycherley.

    Ms Wycherley is listed as Vice President of Operations, Microgaming Systems. Presumably, she would be privy to anything affecting the operations of Microgaming casinos.

    Microgaming's integrity is in serious jeopardy here. The recent change to Firecash for their online financial operations has already caused a number of players to express doubts about the safety of playing in their casinos. Firecash has had numerous instances of double-billing players. There is still a question whether Firecash contacted all players who were double-billed to correct the players accounts. Lack of candor from organizations with such a close business relationship does not bode well for the trustworthiness of Microgaming in the future.

    *Fred Faust, RGTonline.com

    GOLDEN PALACE CONTINUES TO STALL - BUT CLEARLY THREATENED...Written by Spearmaster
    11.12.00
    The ongoing saga of Golden Palace continues, with the Online Players Association digging up tons of useful information about Golden Palace and its owners, while Golden Palace keep threatening but are clearly backtracking - perhaps a final solution and payment of winnings to players is near.

    Golden Palace, through their lawyer Fred Seller, alleges that President of the Online Players Association (OPA) Steve Adkins continues to slander them - yet Adkins has not only backed up his words but come up with additional information about the shady background of the Golden Palace owners and senior management.

    Among the past problems - owner Jack Strulovitch, alias Jack Stroll, and security manager Mark Francis were implicated and fined $300,000 in a Canadian telemarketing scam in 1996.

    Golden Palace continues to imply that Steve Adkins and the OPA, amongst others, have not provided them with the details of the complaints - yet I personally know this fact to be untrue because I am in possession of many of the same documents. These details were provided to both Golden Palace and their former software supplier Microgaming in great detail; neither of them responded.

    Golden Palace, as you will know, has since left Microgaming in order to use their own new software. Apparently they have been beta-testing this new software since January - Microgaming were said to be aware of this fact. Now Microgaming, in an earlier response to Adkins, said that they would help engage the services of a third party (believed to be PriceWaterhouseCoopers) to audit the accounts of those affected, PROVIDED Golden Palace was willing to cooperate as they were no longer under contract with Microgaming.

    Now you and I will see the great irony of this situation, seeing as that this information has been in their hands for six months now - BOTH parties, in fact, as well as the Kahnawake Gaming Commission have long been in possession of account numbers as well as audits of their deposits and withdrawals. In another instance, a staff member of Golden Palace was caught red-handed posing as a player on one of the message forums, and these details were ALSO provided to all parties.

    The players, meanwhile, have been left out in the cold for six months. So the OPA stepped up the pressure, threatening to bring about a boycott of Microgaming casinos unless Microgaming stepped in and responded appropriately to the situation. They also uncovered all of this additional information about Golden Palace and senior management, intending to show that perhaps Golden Palace were not fit to hold a gaming license of any sort.

    It is clear Golden Palace are on the defensive - their last letter to OPA indicated that "we invite you to forward these complaints with sufficient detail and each of these matters will be diligently handled by our client. If you so wish, and if the individuals agree, our clients are certainly agreeable to handling these matters publicly so that they can be scrutinized by you or anyone else for that matter."

    They already have the sufficient detail - an account number and a complaint AND a transaction audit provided by Golden Palace in the FIRST place - what the hell more do they want, the plaintiff's first-born child?

    Golden Palace, consider this your final warning. The OPA will move full force to expose you and your activities if you do not meet the 10-day deadline for solving each and every one of these cases.
     
  14. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Or...you can read about it in the "Rogue Casino" section. I'm amazed how many people post here and don't realize this is a website that offers more than just a forum.

    I've had information posted about Golden Palace there for over a year! There is also a weekly newsletter that has covered all of this and is archived for the past two years. There is a news section here which includes information about Golden Palace. Should I mention the postings in this forum that are archived as well?

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

    A horse would drown here.


    ~b
     
  15. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hope I didn't sound too blunt...

    Guess I shoulda added some of these! :)

    :D

    ~b
     
  16. mrracetrack

    mrracetrack Dormant account

    Socal,
    You posted the following statement:

    "Me? I'd be waiting outside H. Stern's door until he heard my story. He'd pull the advertising for sure and he'd probably make a project out of running them out of business if the info was presented to him correctly."

    Howard Stern wouldn't give a rats ass
    if you were paid or not by Golden Palace.
    His show accepts advertising from them.
    If they pay the bill for it, their promo's
    get advertised. Case closed. It's all about
    the money. Strictly business. Not about you,
    or anyone else, getting paid casino winnings.
    That's the reality of this.
     
  17. socal

    socal Dormant account

    see below.
     
  18. socal

    socal Dormant account

    As far as leading a horse to water... point taken. Understand though that some people, like myself, will find this web site AFTER having played at some of these establishments in question. A good gaming experience doesn't often fuel initiative to research the annals of previous postings. However, in light of info presented and other avail., I will stop patronizing GP until this pans out.

    And as for going to Howard Stern with a complaint about an advertising enitity. Well, if you believe he wouldn't have fun with it, that's your opinion. I disagree. One account's advertising dollars will not break that show's budget. On the contrary, I think Howard would take keen interest in knowing that his fans are getting screwed over and could very well be prompted to do something about it.

    If I was one of these bonus victims... and the money being withheld was substantial, contacting the Stern show would be a priority. If you think he doesn't care, you probably don't know the show's history. They thrive in going off on tangents like this. OPA, though a great idea, has a limited reach. Damaging reviews on the internet go as far as the readers that surf in. On the other hand, Stern's show reach's millions. GP advertises there for a reason. Negative publicity on Stern's show would likely cripple GP.

    Good luck anyway ya go.
     

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