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Giant Vegas vs RTG

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by Casinomeister, Nov 11, 2005.

    Nov 11, 2005
  1. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I'm posting this here since this document is public record. If you had problems when Giant Vegas and Kiss Casino switched over to Playtech, now you know.

    Incidentally, the same thing happened to the Black Widow group when they switched over too.

    If these allegations are true, RTG is not looking too good.
     
  2. Nov 12, 2005
  3. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Not very nice, is it.

    Reminds me of what UB just did to Pokershare.
     
  4. Nov 13, 2005
  5. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    If the allegations are upheld, RTG have some serious issues on their hands. Incidentally, we shouldn't jump to any conclusions as we haven't seen the licence agreement so data and licence ownership issues may not necessarily be that clearcut.

    Also interesting to see a legal document refer to "spammers" without any term of constitution. That in itself could string the case out while they prove what defines a "spammer" in legal terms :D
     
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  6. Nov 13, 2005
  7. eek

    eek Dormant account

    From a scan through the document RTG licensees seem to be nothing more than affiliates, like with the Gambling Federation sites.

    Okay so you can customise more things for your interface and offer bonus stuff but at the end of the day you're just a superaffiliate and RTG can pull the plug on you whenever they like, as has been demonstrated here.

    Contrast this with the amount of player problems at different RTG licensees over the years that were totally ignored by RTG or where they just shrugged their shoulders and said there was nothing they could do....:eek2:
     
  8. Nov 13, 2005
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I have a feeling this will only get a lot worse.

    And if this turns out to be 100% true. RTG will have bad, bad problems on their hands. There are a couple of big RTG companies that won't like this a single bit.
     
  10. Nov 13, 2005
  11. suzecat

    suzecat Dormant account CAG MM webmeister

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    Thank you Simmo for the voice of reason. Add to that the fact that a bank (Neteller) is involved and the very strict standards they must follow.

    The lawsuit has been filed in the US, thus giving the US courts jurisdiction over the matter. As far as the definition of "spammer," that is covered by the CAN-Spam act, a US law.

    Let's give the "Devil's advocate" his due and suppose that the casinos involved simply wanted out of their agreements with RTG and suppose RTG did not want that to happen. Clever attorneys were then hired to find a "loophole" in the agreements and the instant lawsuit followed.

    One thing is clear........the unfolding of both sides of this story should prove fascinating. I noticed the suit was filed in September.....has anyone seen the reply filed by RTG?
     
  12. Nov 13, 2005
  13. vedat

    vedat Dormant account

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    i think best is some one from giant vegas or rtg explain this well

    as i think all companys and people are innocent until its proven there are very sirious blames on RTG but as i think most of them should be false there are none other casinos other than giantvegas and kiss have problem with rtg that we heard maybe blackwidow group (and we all know how good they are at screwing ppl :( ) as kiss has changed 3 softwares at bossmedia they couldnt screw any players becouse of webdollar and then they switched to RTG at rtg they offered good bonuses and had problems with payments so they refuse to pay most of customers then y montana overseas force them to pay the problem occured there i think and they switched to playtech and i didnt hear anything good for them (alll the things i wrote is my toughts ):cool:
     
  14. Nov 14, 2005
  15. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Interesting to have a different perspective here on this case, although I think the idea of a licensee going to all the trouble, risk and expense of this sort of litigation just to get out of a license agreement is a bit of a stretch.

    And from my reading of the document it looks as if this all hit the fan right at the end of the Giant Vegas/Kiss agreement with RTG. But the point about the spammer definition in the Can-Spam Act is well made.

    I doubt we'll hear too much more from these parties until this gets to court (or is perhaps settled out of court attended by an NDA) because the respective lawyers will now be manouevring and will not want to give too many of their tactics away. Maybe a denial from RTG because this will attract a lot of bad press I think.

    If there isn't a settlement, the case is going to be a ripper. I didn't see any trial date listed, so perhaps RTG is still busy trying to digest this before deciding how to play it.

    The punitive, compensatory and other costs Interbet intends to claim are not listed either unless I missed that - I imagine they will be substantial.
     
  16. Nov 14, 2005
  17. gmblpdam

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    What effect could this have on other RTG casinos that are not involved in this? Other than bad press for their software provider.
     
  18. Nov 14, 2005
  19. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    I imagine that if these allegations are proved it will be a concern for any RTG operator that their software and services provider is prepared to do this sort of thing.

    That's going to demand some damage control imo. And perhaps some licensees will be considering a more stand-alone infrastructure such as Bodog and other big guys.

    There will also be great concern over the player privacy issues this raises, which I think are probably the most serious concern in an ethical as well as business sense.
     
  20. Nov 14, 2005
  21. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    If this goes to trial, RTG will definitely be scrutinized in a US court. Worst case scenario - it may be discovered that they're violating US law. If that is the case, their licensees may be up the river without a paddle. This is a case licensees ought to pay close attention to.
     
  22. Nov 14, 2005
  23. Simmo!

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    Would it definately be a US trial CM?
     
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  24. Nov 14, 2005
  25. Casinomeister

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    It's already been filed in the state of Georgia, so the answer would be yes unless they settle outside of court. That would probably be the most preferable option.
     
  26. Nov 15, 2005
  27. scrollock

    scrollock Senior Member

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    i have had a read through the thing, but i am bit lost, i'm familar with UK laws (especially after wasting an afternoon wading through the UK gambling bill) and those of her territories (just a reminder to everyone that these can differ depending on the constitutional status of the place).

    so whats the gist of this ?
     

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