I think that i have learned how 2 get paid from almost all of the casinos from cirrus group and virtual group. My opinion is that they are the same company any way. The key is CDS = central dispute system. I so far have been able to withdraw well over $4000..... yes $4000. Which is by the way more than i have deposited. for me the only way to go about getting YOUR MONEY is this: I have noticed what i call stalling tactics by these casinos. example: "we havent recived you withdrawal documents yet." BULLSHIT. YOU NEED TO send them to [email protected] the name of the casino is, for example [email protected]. yeah? that way you will get at a ticket and you will be able to quote this on live chat. another 1 "IT SAYS ON YOUR ACCOUNT THAT YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO CLAIM NO MAX CASH OUT + NO PLAY THROUGH BONUSES" again bullshit, the only way you cant claim this is if you have claimed more free chips than you have actually deposited. example: if you have claimed $100.00 in free chips(which these kind of casinos give out like toffee sweets) is more than you have deposited, ya f**ked. get it? so i given you some of the stalling tactics that they use. when ever you see these signs just take it to the central dispute system. withdrawals from these casinos will take time, believe me. simply because of the amount of 2'ing and frowing between casino and CDS. i am on a crusade to get as much money as i can from these casinos as possible before they go POP! UK players are more than welcome to join me on this as I'm not sure of American law.