Game providers have a reason to rig slots

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pinnit2014

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Peoples expectations have risen as the increase in HV offerings has continued. I'm personally guilty of it as well - in a previous life I'd be like, woohoo 100x - now it's shifted to 500x for the same. Though to be fair, when you sit through games that sometimes only bonus once in 500 plus spins there is a pre setting in your head that things 'it ought to give a half decent return'

Maybe there'll be a shift back the ways to more wins in and around the 200x mark; string a couple of those closely together and it's not a bad withdrawal, I dunno.

HV slots, whilst great when you hit them (and I have the odd time on JJ/DOA2), really do a number on you if you spend too long on them - and, having seen some of them, who can blame players but it comes with a price - your sanity :p
 

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To be fair, I do understand what some people in here are trying to convey. I mean it's uncanny how things seem to work with the slots time after time. A few examples...

Slot sessions are dead for x amount of time. Doesn't matter what casino you play at, which providers you play, volatility of games etc it's just pure dead. Everywhere. Precious little bonuses and balance not going above start.

Slot sessions are hot. Every game you play, every provider suddenly paying out...your sessions last for ages. Feels like you're on cheat mode.

Get a massive win. Go back to that game and it's stone cold, doesn't matter what casino you play at it's dead...far worse than the 'average' gameplay you'd usually expect. This is EVERY single time. Is it really 'random' and bad luck that these dire spells always happen after an insane hit?

The ceiling- you hit a decent win early on but then become 'capped' at a certain monetary amount. Balance fluctuates around that value but feels like you cannot break through that capped balance. Your balance goes down, you hit a bonus and it pays the exact x amount to take you back to that cap. Seen this so many times.

Of course, this might all be in people's heads but it is funny how so many people clearly report the same patterns. It's almost like how RTP is irrelevant and it's all about how that RTP is managed/manipulated for the end user.
 
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Reporting the same is the key words here, never any underlying stats. why can't some of the tinfoils document extensive gameplay and show all of these so called clear patterns?

call me cynical but bloaties eye test won't cut it for me.
 

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Reporting the same is the key words here, never any underlying stats. why can't some of the tinfoils document extensive gameplay and show all of these so called clear patterns?

call me cynical but bloaties eye test won't cut it for me.
Well personally I'm not interested in stats. I play for fun and have no axe to grind. It is what it is. Mine are purely observations.
 

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I'd actually say the bigger problem which is driving the, must be rigged, narrative is the abundance of shockingly designed slots over the last few years. You are always going to become more frustrated when faced with an ever increasing wave of slots which will eat 100x of your session money in 15 minutes. With larger, longer and more costly losing streaks the temptation to look to more dubious reasons is high.

This sums up every single Pragmatic slot released the last 1,5 year. Well designed games with high quality graphics and sounds, but every time i play one i end up leaving without having had the free spins, having spent more money than it would cost to buy the free spins instead.

Things might have changed, with less playtime for your money, but i don't think it's because of foul play. It's just a combination of increased volatility across the board and reduced RTP on many slots.
 

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Thanks.. didn't show as a link on my phone.
So now I have read the whole thing, the excerpt you copied and pasted in no way proves or even semi-proves anything. It is nothing more than guess work from people who don't know how games work or how testing and RNGs work.

Now, did BetSoft or the casino cock up with regards to the jackpot prize - possibly yes. However, all the claims and statements made after that are pure bullshit guesswork designed to inflame.

The RNG is tested independently to the game. It has to be certified separately and undergoes very rigorous testing (feel free to look at the freel available technical standards for information on what is required). The game then uses this RNG to determine its results, and when the game is tested, and issue with the RNG (if it was tampered with) would likely become apparent. Also, the RNG is a protected module, so if it were changed, the checksum would change and it would be obvious to any test house that this had been done.

So before you start throwing wild claims around, why don't you do some simple research and actually get the facts, rather than some fake news (damn I can't believe I said that!) that you have found on the internet and posit as true.
Confirmed trump guy! You said fake news!!!
 

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The ceiling- you hit a decent win early on but then become 'capped' at a certain monetary amount. Balance fluctuates around that value but feels like you cannot break through that capped balance. Your balance goes down, you hit a bonus and it pays the exact x amount to take you back to that cap. Seen this so many times.

At the other side of the medallion you gotta be lucky enough for a hit coming in like this:

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No it does'nt work every day but it's there. I might add on top of this that, after a big withdrawl, winning over time is quite difficult. At first it sets you to whatever value it can / will give you, holds you there for a while exactly as you described, and then either tumble down (which is 9 out of 10) or push you ahead.

If you gamble away that portion it's sort of in the box that the next time you are able to push it more easily. In my understanding you gotta wager around alot, and at some point it starts paying back. As i said i knew a guy who booted 10 euro paysafe into the 6k marks time and time again, that was untill he start withdrawing obviously. Party was over.

Initial "new" signup to a casino as well. Like anti-cheat mode is on and litterally on any slot like it's a free trial. Previous year i kicked it with ease to 20k mark. It kept me there for hours and hours, simply put a limitation put on what i could won.

I understand a casino could have safety features, but it's a gambling establishment. Being capped at your win kind of ruins the idea that every spin is thought to be random. Today as well. Instead of buying on extra chilli i went the playing / wagering way at 10 euro a spin. At some point the 500 euro buy dropped to 370 something or so. Game chrashes, or at least does'nt respond anymore, i come back, the feature is back to 500. What kind of shit is this really.

I opened up instant a support email; but i know they are going to answer at least tomorrow or in 2 days on avg... How is this possible? Having your feature price being reset. They sure could track that down into my playing logs. I bet there will be zero compensation for that shit.

Also; whenever i play big; suddenly the collecting of bonus points (as part of a loyalty member program) was stalled for the last few days. And i wagered really alot that the numbering should be in the thousands. Not that you cant do much with it looking at it's minimum 39x wagering requirement, but still.
 

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Bloatgoat is all over the place, impossible to engage in a debate with because you address one thing and then just throws five other random accusations out there, each vague enough to not even be argued.

But people keep saying how strange it is that you end up at a "ceiling", that your balance "resets", "I lost $600 and then, I won $600, surely rigged!"

If you think about it for just one second; with a trtp near 100% the highest probability is always going to be getting back to just under your initial balance but probably no further. If you looked at the probability of what your balance will be after 100 spins it would be a bell curve with the peak just under your initial balance. Then after another 100 spins it would be just below the last balance. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower, but always the most probable outcome is almost getting your balance back.
 

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And in regard to the £65K Chilli win, how many time’s did it work? How many times have you made that much since on it? How much have you given back from the 65K?

Yes i am interested in this too. Is he saying that they have changed it so he cant win ?
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They clearly adjusted chilli just so he can’t win now after his ‘65k’ monster.
and all the providers, the casinos and even the mods are in on this terrible conspiracy against him... it’s that simple! Don’t you get it! ha
 

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Yes i am interested in this too. Is he saying that they have changed it so he cant win ?
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They clearly adjusted chilli just so he can’t win now after his ‘65k’ monster.
and all the providers, the casinos and even the mods are in on this terrible conspiracy against him... it’s that simple! Don’t you get it! ha
[/QUOTE]
1) yes, the 65k would have killed the casino, provider and the industry. As a side note every casino should allow any stake on any game. Because fuck exposures right?
2) I can confirm that me and trance and like 1000 others got a meeting tomorrow to agree how we can best keep the scam going
3) bloaty? Ur a vip that spends a few hundred a week and are still an super important vip and end up break even in the end? Excuse my French, but fuck that and stop speaking bullshit mate. Give us some real numbers for the gambling. PS. Do better than calling me stupid now ;)
 

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Yes i am interested in this too. Is he saying that they have changed it so he cant win ?
They clearly adjusted chilli just so he can’t win now after his ‘65k’ monster.
and all the providers, the casinos and even the mods are in on this terrible conspiracy against him... it’s that simple! Don’t you get it! ha
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To be fair; if there were a legitimate exploit, they would indeed patch it.

He's never given a clear explanation of his "system" but it seemed to be; buy features 6-7 times and lose, buy a really expensive feature and win, repeat.

It's not hard to imagine that you could get up to a good balance with a few Lucky big feature buys on extra chilli, and as for his pattern, I assume it was just luck, like the time a roulette wheel spins 15 Black's in a row etc.
 

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They clearly adjusted chilli just so he can’t win now after his ‘65k’ monster.
and all the providers, the casinos and even the mods are in on this terrible conspiracy against him... it’s that simple! Don’t you get it! ha
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To be fair; if there were a legitimate exploit, they would indeed patch it.

He's never given a clear explanation of his "system" but it seemed to be; buy features 6-7 times and lose, buy a really expensive feature and win, repeat.

It's not hard to imagine that you could get up to a good balance with a few Lucky big feature buys on extra chilli, and as for his pattern, I assume it was just luck, like the time a roulette wheel spins 15 Black's in a row etc.
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Buy features 5-6 times in a row at 500e, and you will make money. Think that's the claim.
 

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At the other side of the medallion you gotta be lucky enough for a hit coming in like this:

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No it does'nt work every day but it's there. I might add on top of this that, after a big withdrawl, winning over time is quite difficult. At first it sets you to whatever value it can / will give you, holds you there for a while exactly as you described, and then either tumble down (which is 9 out of 10) or push you ahead.

If you gamble away that portion it's sort of in the box that the next time you are able to push it more easily. In my understanding you gotta wager around alot, and at some point it starts paying back. As i said i knew a guy who booted 10 euro paysafe into the 6k marks time and time again, that was untill he start withdrawing obviously. Party was over.

Initial "new" signup to a casino as well. Like anti-cheat mode is on and litterally on any slot like it's a free trial. Previous year i kicked it with ease to 20k mark. It kept me there for hours and hours, simply put a limitation put on what i could won.

I understand a casino could have safety features, but it's a gambling establishment. Being capped at your win kind of ruins the idea that every spin is thought to be random. Today as well. Instead of buying on extra chilli i went the playing / wagering way at 10 euro a spin. At some point the 500 euro buy dropped to 370 something or so. Game chrashes, or at least does'nt respond anymore, i come back, the feature is back to 500. What kind of shit is this really.

I opened up instant a support email; but i know they are going to answer at least tomorrow or in 2 days on avg... How is this possible? Having your feature price being reset. They sure could track that down into my playing logs. I bet there will be zero compensation for that shit.

Also; whenever i play big; suddenly the collecting of bonus points (as part of a loyalty member program) was stalled for the last few days. And i wagered really alot that the numbering should be in the thousands. Not that you cant do much with it looking at it's minimum 39x wagering requirement, but still.
Yes i am interested in this too. Is he saying that they have changed it so he cant win ?
They clearly adjusted chilli just so he can’t win now after his ‘65k’ monster.
and all the providers, the casinos and even the mods are in on this terrible conspiracy against him... it’s that simple! Don’t you get it! ha
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1) yes, the 65k would have killed the casino, provider and the industry. As a side note every casino should allow any stake on any game. Because fuck exposures right?
2) I can confirm that me and trance and like 1000 others got a meeting tomorrow to agree how we can best keep the scam going
3) bloaty? Ur a vip that spends a few hundred a week and are still an super important vip and end up break even in the end? Excuse my French, but fuck that and stop speaking bullshit mate. Give us some real numbers for the gambling. PS. Do better than calling me stupid now ;)
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haha quality post mate!..
the nonsense he comes out with is priceless.

that said...the industry is as dodgy as Jordan’s latest tit job so I’m hardly filled with confidence in them either lol.
 

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They clearly adjusted chilli just so he can’t win now after his ‘65k’ monster.
and all the providers, the casinos and even the mods are in on this terrible conspiracy against him... it’s that simple! Don’t you get it! ha

To be fair; if there were a legitimate exploit, they would indeed patch it.

He's never given a clear explanation of his "system" but it seemed to be; buy features 6-7 times and lose, buy a really expensive feature and win, repeat.

It's not hard to imagine that you could get up to a good balance with a few Lucky big feature buys on extra chilli, and as for his pattern, I assume it was just luck, like the time a roulette wheel spins 15 Black's in a row etc.
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Basically Random then lol!..
and I’m sick to death of his chilli win... with his super awesome cheat.. @BTG_Official_ReadOnly3 can you clarify you patched chilli so this guy can’t use his exploit no longer please. Best regards as always
Ben
 

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The misquotes here are harder to read than a kanya west Twitter post.

None of us have or will ever claim there's not shady companies in the industry. But generally speaking they are not regulated, nor do reputable companies act like that.

And again, our licensing and certification carry more weight than bloaty and Andy's eye tests.

But what the hell do I know, the multi billion companies want to lose their license for a few bucks more.

And I don't take issue with people questioning the industry, I take issue with the constant flow of garbage that certain members of the forum spread with no proof.
 

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I'm nearly...but obv not entirely...gobsmacked this is still running.
I mean, it's been put to rest 100x in similar threads, yet keeps making a resurgence.


Either believe slots are rigged and dont play them.
Or accept (by and large) they are legit and carry on.
Reported for not believing ‘bloatgoat’ and his chilli exploits.
 

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The misquotes here are harder to read than a kanya west Twitter post.

None of us have or will ever claim there's not shady companies in the industry. But generally speaking they are not regulated, nor do reputable companies act like that.

And again, our licensing and certification carry more weight than bloaty and Andy's eye tests.

But what the hell do I know, the multi billion companies want to lose their license for a few bucks more.

And I don't take issue with people questioning the industry, I take issue with the constant flow of garbage that certain members of the forum spread with no proof.
So your saying they are rigged and the cheap goat is correct?
 

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Here's the thing.
I don't work for casinos.
I talk to industrry insiders outside the forum (and within) to better understand slots and its and casinos inner workings.


People here, in the forum, that neither represent their casinos nor softwares, and make no effort to 'sell them' take the time and energy to address peoples Qs in order to better educate them (ie to understand them)

Is it good to question things? Absolutely.
Flog the dead horse?
Not so much :)
 

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So your saying they are rigged and the cheap goat is correct?
No I'm saying that a random internet guy that makes his living on shady business knows more about the industry based on the eye test than max, Bryan and all of the people actually working directly in the industry does. Because of course he does.
 

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I'm nearly...but obv not entirely...gobsmacked this is still running.
I mean, it's been put to rest 100x in similar threads, yet keeps making a resurgence.


Either believe slots are rigged and dont play them.
Or accept (by and large) they are legit and carry on.
It's been beaten to death by the same handful of people over and over. But yet somehow it remains at the "gut feeling" level of proof.

I'd be happy to engage in any discussion that involves sanity at any industry event, but that's not what the selected few want.

And the main advocate of this funnily enough tries to be a casino affiliate. Can't even make this up.
 

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Bloatgoat is all over the place, impossible to engage in a debate with because you address one thing and then just throws five other random accusations out there, each vague enough to not even be argued.

But people keep saying how strange it is that you end up at a "ceiling", that your balance "resets", "I lost $600 and then, I won $600, surely rigged!"

If you think about it for just one second; with a trtp near 100% the highest probability is always going to be getting back to just under your initial balance but probably no further. If you looked at the probability of what your balance will be after 100 spins it would be a bell curve with the peak just under your initial balance. Then after another 100 spins it would be just below the last balance. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower, but always the most probable outcome is almost getting your balance back.
Well yeah, but aren't we repeatedly told short term variance trumps long term tRTP for an average session? So I'm not sure a few hundred spins should exhibit that behaviour repeatedly.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. People can't say on the one hand that 'oh your low RTP is perfectly normal as you've only done 2000 spins' and then on the other hand say you can expect to hit the typical bell curve after 200 spins.
 
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