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Gamblingcommission.com

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by sirius, Mar 10, 2004.

    Mar 10, 2004
  1. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    This looks to be another crap site. A lot of the 'approved' casinos are terrible. They state that their mission is to help regulate gambling and claim to perform random audits on the casinos. They have a seal :
    These are on the approved list:

    Winward Casino

    Delano Casino

    Club Dice Casino

    Bingohall.com

    Golden Comps Casino

    Five Roses Casino

    Onluck Casino

    Columbus Casino

    Lucky Liner Casino

    King Solomon's Casino

    Hampton Casino

    Mapau Casino

    Casino Fortune

    Miami Beach Casino

    World Wide Vegas

    Roman Palace

    Bingo2bingo

    LuckyDragon

    Bet on Sports

    Big Tex Sports

    Party Poker

    Aloha

    5 Dimes

    Slotland

    Geisha Lounge

    GC Sports

    Roman Casino

    Goldenballs Casino

    Cyberbingo.net

    Allpokergames

    Showtimepoker

    Cascade Sportsbook

    Amigo Bingo

    Bowmans Sportsbook
     
  2. Mar 10, 2004
  3. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Hmm, is it a trained seal? Does he do tricks for fish??

    Looks like about 50/50 on the casinos. Half good, half bad.
     
  4. Mar 10, 2004
  5. love2vegas

    love2vegas Dormant account

    Location:
    Maine
    Probably one of those casino-owned sites which throw in a couple of others to make it look good??
     
  6. Mar 11, 2004
  7. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmeister and mom.
    Location:
    Vancouver Island
    It's been around a while. Just a casino promotion site masquerading as something it is not.

    I wonder whose it is. No name, just more b.s. on the registration.

    Gambling Commission Organization (QTLTDKOBJD)
    1818 Ventura Drive
    Washington, DC 20005
    US
     
  8. Mar 11, 2004
  9. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    according to mapquest, that address doesn't even exist
     
  10. Mar 11, 2004
  11. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmeister and mom.
    Location:
    Vancouver Island
    Ah yes, the path to rogueness widens for the "Gamblingcommission".
    Mwa ha ha!
     
  12. Mar 11, 2004
  13. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    Somoeone should tell Slotland to stop boasting about its affiliation with gamblingcommission.com. This is from the faq and gives no link to the site but the logo/seal is on the main page.

     
  14. Mar 11, 2004
  15. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Based on this, I declare myself a gambler who's approved by the Gambling Commission. I'm drawing their seal on my monitor right now!
     
  16. Mar 11, 2004
  17. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmeister and mom.
    Location:
    Vancouver Island
    LoL jpm.

    That fact that Slotland has the Gamblingcommission banner sucks. It's obviously just a part of a link exchange with that site, but they should use more discretion. Sheesh. :(
     
  18. Mar 12, 2004
  19. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    I'll give Slotland a heads up on this. This is obviously a very old old link, probably been there since the 'git go. I know that the Gambling Commission handled some player complaint about a year ago, but I can't remember what it was. I've never met these guys. They don't get out much - very low profile which is odd for a "commission".
     
  20. Jul 26, 2004
  21. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    I just checked on slotland again (months after this thread started) and they still talk about the 'gambling commission' in the FAQ and their security page: You must register/login in order to see the link.

    The actual gamblingcommission.com site seems to have cut down on the number of casinos listed there as approved but it still has some dodgy ones. This is one of the criterion for Casinomeister's reputable list: "They must have no affiliation with "fake" players' advocacy groups.". There is also something I'm not sure about yet at slotland too (more details later).
     
  22. Jul 26, 2004
  23. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    On the same page:

    Slotland Entertainment S.A. is an established internet gaming operator with several years of experience in the industry. The company is fully licensed and registered by the Government of Anjouan.

    How bizarre! It's a small island off the coast of Madagascar - who said playing at on-line casinos isn't a way of learning about the world...
     
  24. Jul 26, 2004
  25. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    But maybe dealing with their licensed casinos isn't top priority just now!

    You must register/login in order to see the link. :D
     
  26. Jun 9, 2005
  27. jamiester

    jamiester Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Overnight dispatcher
    Location:
    Hampshire County, MA
    slotland still using Gambling Commission ruse..

    I just wanted to let people know that Slotland is STILL trying to justify there site behind the Gambling Commission seal. I have been playing the Magic slot at Slotland for the past couple of months. I have kept data on my last 15000+ lines (is this a good sample size?) and my payout is only 86.1% using PERFECT strategy. That seems low to me considering that the slots are supposed to payout around 93% (98% - 5% for the progressive). Anyway, I have been having quite a long back and forth with Robert the customer service supervisor. One of the questions I asked him was whether the random number regimes were constant. He tried to assure me by stating (I won't use a direct quote) "we would immediately lose our seal from the Gambling Commission if we were able to alter our payouts".
    Does this sound like he was trying to mislead me, or at least convince that there are some controls on Slotland that simply don't exist?
    Doing a search on "Slotland" through the forums has given me a lot of information that I wish I had a couple of months ago, but also a lot of ammo in my discussions with Slotland :D
    I guess now that I am here, are there any statisicians who might be able to tell me whether 3086 spins on a 5 line slot is a big enough sample size to draw any conclusions if my results are 7% below the expected results? (It should be noted that if I was flat betting, my return would be 78.9%, over 14% below expected!)

    Thanks, Jamie
     
  28. Jun 9, 2005
  29. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    The standard deviation on a slot machine could be 10 for a single line! If it was a single line you could have anywhere between 40% to 150% payout after 3000 spins. If you assume a covariance of zero (not likely) then after 15000 spins, you still expect to have a payout between 65% to around 120%.
     
  30. Jun 10, 2005
  31. jamiester

    jamiester Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Overnight dispatcher
    Location:
    Hampshire County, MA
    slotland stats

    Sirius wrote (how do you get those boxes of quoted text?):
    The standard deviation on a slot machine could be 10 for a single line! If it was a single line you could have anywhere between 40% to 150% payout after 3000 spins. If you assume a covariance of zero (not likely) then after 15000 spins, you still expect to have a payout between 65% to around 120%.

    You are talking a little above my head. How do you determine the standard deviation for a slot machine? Wouldn't it depend entirely on the structure of the pay table? You say after 3000 spins you could have a 40% to 150% payout. I know ANY payout is possible, but what level of confidence are you talking about, 90% (ie 90% chance that the value would be between .4 and 1.5). That just seems way too wide, especially for a machine that pays out a substantial portion of its payouts in the small prizes. Also, what is a covariance and how do you determine it? And, if I continue to hit at .80 to .86, how many spins do you think I would have to get up to before I could reasonably conclude that I wasn't playing on a .93 machine (what is minimum sample size at that return?)?
    Oh, and THANK YOU very much for the reply. Slotland apparently doesn't have a mathematician on site, because the numbers you gave me are numbers they would have loved to have thrown in my face!
    I am going to post my data from my 15420 lines just so you get an idea of the prize distribution. The prize levels are 2x, 5x, 10x, 20x, 50x, 100x, 250x, 500x, and 1000x. Obviously, some prizes are mutually exclusive on the same spin, but most of the common small prizes can be hit on different lines of the same spin:
    3084 spins, 15420 lines
    1000x: 0
    500x: 0
    250x: 0
    100x: 7 .04539
    50x: 21 .06809
    20x: 77 .09987
    2x-10x: many, .5221-.5270 (messy stats at this level)
    Bonus round: .12004

    total payout: .86101
    payout if flat-betting: .7890
    Note: spins are at 50 cents a line for bonus noneligible spins and $2/line for bonus eligible spins. At this point, it woud be too complicated to break it down into the categories of spins.

    Thank you for any help. Even if it turns out that my numbers are believable and Slotland's Magic does indeed pay out at .93, my dealings with them in this matter have shown them to be deceptive. Something is fishy at this casino. I may get into it in a new thread.

    Jamie
     
  32. Jun 10, 2005
  33. maxlevine

    maxlevine Webmaster webmeister

    Location:
    Montreal
    When you want to post a message, instead of clicking on "Post Reply", click on "Quote" at the bottom right corner of the poster's message you want to reply to. You will see his/her text in your message inside the
     
  34. Jun 10, 2005
  35. jamiester

    jamiester Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Overnight dispatcher
    Location:
    Hampshire County, MA
    Thank you

    This is strange, I hope it works...
    \0\05{\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0vine]When you want to post a message, instead of clicking on "Post Reply", click on "Quote" at the bottom right corner of the poster's message you want to reply to. You will see his/her text in your message inside the
    Ha! Thanks. And I thought that was a little tag that denoted a person's favorite quote!

    Jamie
     

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