Gambling - Honest Discussion Time

I think KK provides some good advice here for those who find it difficult to 'win' or cashout (I only ever count a cashout as a win)

My average deposit is $50 and always has been. I will play usually without a bonus these days, and this has been a major change in my gambling behaviour the last 12 months. I now have a healthy bankroll which I never had before, and it is the lack of bonuses taken that IMO has been the difference, and its the only point where KK and I differ.

I used to play bonuses, but I couldnt really be bothered marking each spin and keeping track of wagers etc etc as I just wanted to play and enjoy myself and maybe make some money......trouble was, I nearly always busted out before meeting the WR. It occurred to me that many many times I had some really nice hits that I couldnt take advantage of because they were with a bonus and they ended up being whittled away meeting the WR.

So, I decided unless the bonus offered was very generous, I would play with my own funds only and set a cashout level for each deposit. I start with a 5x cashout level, and then cashout in 2x increments if I am able.

E.G. Deposit $50, balance up to $250, then cashout $200 leaving my remaining $50 deposit. If Im lucky enough, each time I get to $100 I cashout $50 to leave the original $50 again etc etc until its gone. You would be surprised how quickly it can build up! Next thing is request a flush right away and log off the PC for an hour or so (go get a drink or snack etc)

So why cashout relatively small amounts? Well its all about keeping the deposit amounts small, and lets face it - those big $1k plus wins are very rare unless you are betting large amounts (and therefore depositing large amounts generally) so it makes more sense to target the $200-$400 wins which are far more likely.

If you deposit your $50 and end up cashing out $300 in total (quite realistic), that is SIX MORE DEPOSITS you have in your bankroll!! That means you get to play at SIX more casinos! (I also dont generally deposit more than once at a casino in one session - if it aint payin then move on is my motto).

Just try this method out for a month if you find that you never seem to cashout or 'win', and its especially good if you're on a budget like me. Just try to remember that its tough to win the big ones, so be content with the nice smaller hits and get them straight into your pocket...and the big ones will take care of themselves (think about it....the more times you get to deposit the more chances you have of getting a biggie anyway!)

Remember, its just the way I do it and it may not suit everyone. :)

If you find you cant follow a method like this (or any form of control for that matter) due to willpower etc, then IMO its time to stop gambling and get some help.

Great thread BTW Witch.
 
1. Yes and no. Honest about the fact I do it, but keep the extent/amount hidden.

2. To win, else I'd only play in Fun Mode.

3. I take full advantage of sites like Wizard of Odds and BeatingBonuses and their "perfect play" tables/programs. Wether that's "manipulation" is up to you I suppose.

4. Don't really have a budget

5. Haven't been asked to give it up.

6. No!
 
One more question at the end of this post: Yesterday I played in a Rival casino, deposited 30 and reached 350 when the WR were met (Scary Rich - long live those bloodsuckers). I continued to play and eventually cashed out 160 Dollars. Instead of being happy because of having won, I was mad because I didnt stop at the peak balance. I would like to know if other players experience such situations in a similar way. Is there a way to keep control over greed?

Cheers Balky

I never stop at my peak, by design. If I'm at a peak, it means I'm winning, and want to keep the streak going. The trick is to stop once you start losing before you've given all your winnings back. You should be happy you did.
 
Hiya: I also agree with Nifty. imhop, A bonus can be more of a trap than a way to enjoy the game, or make money. To me, the restrictions are not worth it. With your Own money you can do what you want, when you want.

imhop, again, Unless you are going to be a Bonus bagger, and go after as many Bonus offers as you can get, and have the funds to do this, and slow play them in small ball, to meet wagering requirements, and take the profit that is left over, "And this can be done", Then maybe a Bonus offer is not as good as it seems?
 
Again - thank you to everyone who has responded so far.

I really appreciate the in-depth look into yourselves... and I appreciate the HONEST answers that you are giving.

Hmmm Nifters methinks that yes - a bonus has a two-fold purpose: One to draw the player in - and two to keep the player playing just in case they actually do win - in order to lighten the load.


For me - bonuses are a godsend cause they allow the entertainment and spinning reels to keep spinning. And I like to play for hours and hours and hours at a time - hoping to win... LOL!

But - I truly never thought of them as a manipulation to get winnings - although, now thinking about it - yes they are... LOL!

Good points and good discussions guys.
 
Per request I'm going to 'Sticky' this topic for a week or two (that means it will stay at the top of the forum, no scrolling down like the rest of them).

This is a temporary thing and will come off (without notice) once the topic ages a bit.

Hope it helps. :)
 
Originally Posted by Balky View Post
"One more question at the end of this post: Yesterday I played in a Rival casino, deposited 30 and reached 350 when the WR were met (Scary Rich - long live those bloodsuckers). I continued to play and eventually cashed out 160 Dollars. Instead of being happy because of having won, I was mad because I didnt stop at the peak balance. I would like to know if other players experience such situations in a similar way. Is there a way to keep control over greed?

Cheers Balky"

In the beginning I was a child in a candy store with very low patience level. But after seeing how fricking quick the 'down-suck' can be, I basically grab and run now. :D
 
After reading another thread


1) Are you HONEST about YOUR gambling with your family and friends?

My parents would not understand it, so I just don't talk about it, as it would only worry them.

2) Do you play to WIN or do you play for ENTERTAINMENT?

Both. But mostly entertainment. And as losing is not very entertaining, I play to win. :D

3) Do you use anything to manipulate your winnings?

I hired a voodoo priest once and asked him to do ritual winning dances during my play, but it didn't work and the jumping up and down behind my back got irritating after a while.
But no, I don't use anything, just hit that SPIN button and hope for the big one.

4) Do you OFTEN spend over your budget? (and do you have a budget?)

Yes I have a budget, very small these days, and I never go over it, simply because I can't.

5) Do you ever promise anyone else that you WILL NOT gamble?

No.

6) When you win - do you often gamble most of the winnings back?

Not anymore. I learned to hit the cashout button when I found this forum back in March.
Ofcourse I had to learn it the hard way, as usual. :oops:
It was after my Roxy Palace disaster that I realised I had to quit completely or find a way to control my play.
Roxy Palace was my first MG casino.
I had played some at Playtech and RTG, but then I found Roxy Palace.
Made a 100 deposit with the 100% SUB, and wow, those games...
As I'm a lover of fantasy and Sience Fiction, Avalon immediately grabbed my attention, and my beginnersluck kicked in..
Betting 1 per spin, I started winning, and winning, and even more winning..
I played 3 sessions of 6-8 hours each, and my balance was over 1600 at the end of the third day!:eek: All withdrawable.
I only played slots. Hit a jackpot on Quest 4 Beer, could not lose on Stash of the Titans, kept hitting large bonusrounds on Franken Cash, man, I loved these games!
But instead of cashing out, I made my second biggest mistake ever, I upped my bets.
And gone were all the free spins and bonusrounds, it took me 3 days to build my balance to 1600, it took me less than 2 hours to lose it all.:oops::oops:
Sick of it, I made my BIGGEST mistake ever, I started to chase my losses.
I went nuts, tilted, and lost 12 deposits of 100 each in a few hours.
As a result, I could not pay some of my bills, had to choose and decided not to pay my provider, so no internet for a few months.:(

After this I decided to do some research first, found this forum and changed the way I played completely.
Only 35 per week max., and only low rolling works fine for me.
I like to play with a bonus, it gives me something to aim for, and if I'm up, I cashout as soon as I meet the WR.
If I win, I can play some more, if I win big, I can buy something and play some more, if I lose, better luck next week..

Btw, I live alone, no kids.
 
1) Are you HONEST about YOUR gambling with your family and friends?
I don't borrow money so no need to tell them anything. My family knows I play online casino games.

2) Do you play to WIN or do you play for ENTERTAINMENT?
Both but mainly to win..I'm freaking annoyed as my computer is dead and I have to download every casino again to my laptop.
3) Do you use anything to manipulate your winnings?
No..didn't know that you could do that.


4) Do you OFTEN spend over your budget? (and do you have a budget?)
If I win I will and sometimes ok most of the time I go over my monthly budget but at least I don't get crazy now

5) Do you ever promise anyone else that you WILL NOT gamble?
No...I like to play but not on a laptop...I don't like the flat keys.

6) When you win - do you often gamble most of the winnings back
Yep, unless it's a significant win then it's flushed immediately and then I gamble some morre when it hits quicktender but most of it goes back to my bank.

I do remember about 5 years ago winning 12k at royal vegas...9k was in my bank within 3 days and eventually during that week I lost the whole thing back and then some. I tilted heavy that week and didn't stop...I use to do crazy gambling and wager anywhere from 9 to 25 per spin...had never low rolled until this year. I hadn't played in a year and when I came back I realized that the games were not as I had left them and I've considerably reduced my deposits to about 400 a week.

The good old days of ACH...no fees just money going back into your account without any hassles.
 

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