Gambler Sues Casinos for $20 Million

NASHVEGAS

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Here is a law in Nevada that might apply to this situation (were the law suit in Nevada):

5.011 Grounds for disciplinary action.
The board and the commission deem any activity on the part of any licensee, his agents or employees, that is inimical to the public health, safety, morals, good order and general welfare of the people of the State of Nevada, or that would reflect or tend to reflect discredit upon the State of Nevada or the gaming industry, to be an unsuitable method of operation and shall be grounds for disciplinary action by the board and the commission in accordance with the Nevada Gaming Control Act and the regulations of the board and the commission. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following acts or omissions may be determined to be unsuitable methods of operation:


1. Failure to exercise discretion and sound judgment to prevent incidents which might reflect on the repute of the State of Nevada and act as a detriment to the development of the industry.

2. Permitting persons who are visibly intoxicated to participate in gaming activity.

3. Complimentary service of intoxicating beverages in the casino area to persons who are visibly intoxicated.

[4 - 9 omitted]

10. Failure to conduct gaming operations in accordance with proper standards of custom, decorum and decency, or permit any type of conduct in the gaming establishment which reflects or tends to reflect on the repute of the State of Nevada and act as a detriment to the gaming industry.

One could easily argue that she was "visibly intoxicated" even if she hadn't had a single drink.

B&M casinos really do have a responsibility to not take unfair advantage of customers who are not of sound mind. I wrote a chapter in my book about a an incident where I used 5.011 while playing poker to have a poker player removed from the table.

--Eliot
Eliot, if any the above were remotely consistently enforced , the casinos would be empty (a little bit exaggerated but still). Not saying the casinos will not use the above selectively but on the whole absolutely no way are any of the above enforced consistently or without the request of another patron and that is no gurantee. I know how the Nevada Gaming Control Board works and I believe you do also...Hope all is well!....BTW, if she is lucky an out of court non disclosed settlement! Sheldon A. would tell her to go to hell!
 

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Kudos to the casino you're talking about...That's the way it should be handled, in a perfect world. ;)


I understand that you can't hardly walk 100 feet in a casino without seeing a sign that has a number to call if you think you or someone you know has a gambling problem...the problem is 99% of all problem gamblers won't call that number (or at least follow through with it) unless they've already hit rock bottom. You can lead a horse to water....

With the 'sue-happy' mentality of today, casinos who do take action and ban suspected problem gamblers take the risk of being sued...so basically they're screwed if they do, and screwed if they don't.


I did the self exclusion here in Canada, they say they have facial recognition software etc..I live on the West Coast and we have about 7 local B&M casino's, I did a 1yr exclusion.....I played every week for that year without being spotted, so it is my conclusion they have it only in place in theory to upease the local communities and for the governement to appear responsible (FYI, Canadian Casino's have a major government influence, most being operated by lotteries comission in each province).
 

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nash i agree with u 100%!they let u hang urself all the time ..speaking of venetian lost over 2m there so believe me i know first hand
 

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I did the self exclusion here in Canada, they say they have facial recognition software etc..I live on the West Coast and we have about 7 local B&M casino's, I did a 1yr exclusion.....I played every week for that year without being spotted, so it is my conclusion they have it only in place in theory to upease the local communities and for the governement to appear responsible (FYI, Canadian Casino's have a major government influence, most being operated by lotteries comission in each province).

Plus you cannot request being comped fpr your play. It's a win-win for them.
 

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The bottom line is - it is the individual who needs to determine whether or not a gambling problem exists - and it is up to the individual to stop.

You cannot rely on others to police your actions. You are on your own.

One can argue back and forth about the culpability of the casinos, but at the end of the day it doesn't make a difference. A life has been affected, not much you can do about this - you can't turn back the clock, and money won't fix the problem.
 

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The bottom line is - it is the individual who needs to determine whether or not a gambling problem exists - and it is up to the individual to stop.

You cannot rely on others to police your actions. You are on your own.

One can argue back and forth about the culpability of the casinos, but at the end of the day it doesn't make a difference. A life has been affected, not much you can do about this - you can't turn back the clock, and money won't fix the problem.
True of any addiction including online gambling!!! But it is just as wrong for the addicted to be enabled as they are the world's best manipulators!!
 

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True of any addiction including online gambling!!! But it is just as wrong for the addicted to be enabled as they are the world's best manipulators!!

very true but...if a casino is informed that there is a problem then they should not cater to that person. they should stop the invites, limos, comps, etc... however it is not their job to police the situation. it is not their job to be on the lookout with facial recognition software, hire extra security to makes sure one does not enter. not their job. this to me is another fantastic example of the "pass the buck" society we live in. figures coming from a lawyer too. she spent her career blaming others for her clients misdeeds now, when she is in trouble, it's someone else's fault. i find it funny too that she lost a million but wants 20. lol. yea ok. let's award her 20 million. let's give all the alcoholics free booze and all the drug addicts free crack while we're at it. sue her freinds. they must have known where she was. sue her co-workers. when she was playing for a week straight someone in the office must have known where she was. she should get NOTHING. if the casino wants to settle then maybe pay for the help and treatment she needs. that would be a nice gesture and hopefully help her. giving her money is admitting responsibility and i do not think the casino is at all responsible.
 

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very true but...if a casino is informed that there is a problem then they should not cater to that person. they should stop the invites, limos, comps, etc... however it is not their job to police the situation. it is not their job to be on the lookout with facial recognition software, hire extra security to makes sure one does not enter. not their job. this to me is another fantastic example of the "pass the buck" society we live in. figures coming from a lawyer too. she spent her career blaming others for her clients misdeeds now, when she is in trouble, it's someone else's fault. i find it funny too that she lost a million but wants 20. lol. yea ok. let's award her 20 million. let's give all the alcoholics free booze and all the drug addicts free crack while we're at it. sue her freinds. they must have known where she was. sue her co-workers. when she was playing for a week straight someone in the office must have known where she was. she should get NOTHING. if the casino wants to settle then maybe pay for the help and treatment she needs. that would be a nice gesture and hopefully help her. giving her money is admitting responsibility and i do not think the casino is at all responsible.
Do not be confused, if so by my last post, hopefully you read the entire thread as I have posted prior basically the same as you...do not confuse inducing (which does not bother me) with enabling (that does and would be if she or anyone else manipulates you,I,whoever to give her money in order to support her gambling addiction)....the casinos will never be my friend although they pretend and I have seen it all, I know what they want but I am responsible for my own actions regardless and if I ever lose self control, only one to blame is myself.....I agree and as I speculated Sheldon Adelson would tell her to go to hell (i.e. she is due zip)....That said, it would not surprise me if the company settles with a token undisclosed settlement out of court as that is somewhat the SOP at least with the Nevada casinos in the recent past...does not mean I think she deserves a dime and she may not get one!!!
 

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Do not be confused, if so by my last post, hopefully you read the entire thread as I have posted prior basically the same as you...do not confuse inducing (which does not bother me) with enabling (that does and would be if she or anyone else manipulates you,I,whoever to give her money in order to support her gambling addiction)....the casinos will never be my friend although they pretend and I have seen it all, I know what they want but I am responsible for my own actions regardless and if I ever lose self control, only one to blame is myself.....I agree and as I speculated Sheldon Adelson would tell her to go to hell (i.e. she is due zip)....That said, it would not surprise me if the company settles with a token undisclosed settlement as that is somewhat the SOP at least with the Nevada casinos in the recent past...does not mean I think she deserves a dime and she may not get one!!!

no i totally agree with you. i used your quote since you brought up enabling. it is the casinos job to enable and lure us in. people dont realize that. i dont have any problem with that so long as they dont do it to someone who is known to have a problem. if someone wants to be cut off then the casino should respect that and call off the marketing dogs. but that is it as far as i'm concerned. the casino business is a dirty one. i joked with my host about it. commenting on some folks who obviously were down to their last nickels. you can spot the scared money a mile away. i told her to "keep em playin". she laughed but knew, that i knew, that was her job. like you said they are not our friends. my gf met my host for the first time and said how nice and bubbley she was. i told the gf that my host wouldnt piss on me if my heart was on fire unless my credit was good.
 

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I would like to question people who say that they gambled "5 days straight". This statement is in itself questionable let alone the rest. Are they meaning to tell us that for 5 days they never slept??? and were fit enough to sit on a chair straight, while playing blackjack?

I can not speak for Blackjack but I have seen poker players
play over 75 hours with no break. I slept a few hours in between
myself. Two guys definately played 75+ hours, no break longer
than 10 minutes. One was on drugs but the other was just
on coffee. It was amazing, but it happened.

"Getting even" can be a powerful tool to stay awake:lolup:
 

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My limit is around 16 hours before I start to really lose it...lol

i can still do 24+ with no problem and my 88 year old grandma did a 36er not long ago. i dont enjoy the marathons like when i was younger. i seem to do the long one on the first few days of vegas since i am so wired and excited about the trip. i find no shame in a good rest these days. still wont sleep more than 5 hours or so though. i remember one week in vegas we bet eachother on who could go with the fewest hours of sleep. i did like 8 hours all week. i am not in my 20's anymore so those days are over.
 
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