Gaining the most from a bonus

Mouse75

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So, recently Will Hill through which I play poker had a poor offer, gamble £100 for £20 free at 30x.
On the face of it... about pants as it hard to do £600 wagering although I did get it through twice.
The promo was for all games listed in their game tag. This includes 20p roulette so you can get the £20 for a cost of £3.60, distinctly more worthwhile.
Now.... there are a number of games around such as Wolfhunter and Double Dragon by Yggdrasil, and others such as captain cashfall and Caribbean wilds which have progressive bonuses, in that if something happens a number of times a bonus will trigger.
On Wolfhunter you need 100 kills for either Hunter .
What I did, was build up these games to one away from a bonus with my free money, then exited the game and attempted to complete wagering elsewhere. Once bonus funds done and dusted, return to the game in real cash and within a few spins trigger a bonus!
This worked reasonably well for a daily profit of between £8 and on one occasion £94 for the last two weeks.
Not a kings ransom, however hours of entertainment at no cost with the chance of a beauty ( the winnings from the £20 are uncapped so if you got something huge you just had to hit wagering)
I'm a strictly small stakes player anyway....
However has any one done similar with a much larger bonus such as £200 plus £200?
In theory you should be able to get 2 or 3 games or more bonus ready, so even if you don't hit wagering you can recoup on the lined up bonuses...
One game this may work particular well on is Wishmaster ( I think this is right) trigger a decent scroll and as you have to pay for each spin, go back to the game later with live money
Thoughts please?
 

SteveBr

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I think that's known as bonus abuse?

Edit to add, that might only apply if you exit the game in the bonus round and go back to it later once the wagering has completed.
 

bowki

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Wishmaster is in every exlcuded when using bonus money list I can think of.

Im pretty sure what you are doing is seen as bonus abuse by most of the casinos.
 

sapit222

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If by free money you mean the bonus, then its bonus abuse and the casino will/should confiscate it all.

Most casinos has bonus rules against this.
 

nutnut

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So, recently Will Hill through which I play poker had a poor offer, gamble £100 for £20 free at 30x.
On the face of it... about pants as it hard to do £600 wagering although I did get it through twice.
The promo was for all games listed in their game tag. This includes 20p roulette so you can get the £20 for a cost of £3.60, distinctly more worthwhile.
Now.... there are a number of games around such as Wolfhunter and Double Dragon by Yggdrasil, and others such as captain cashfall and Caribbean wilds which have progressive bonuses, in that if something happens a number of times a bonus will trigger.
On Wolfhunter you need 100 kills for either Hunter .
What I did, was build up these games to one away from a bonus with my free money, then exited the game and attempted to complete wagering elsewhere. Once bonus funds done and dusted, return to the game in real cash and within a few spins trigger a bonus!
This worked reasonably well for a daily profit of between £8 and on one occasion £94 for the last two weeks.
Not a kings ransom, however hours of entertainment at no cost with the chance of a beauty ( the winnings from the £20 are uncapped so if you got something huge you just had to hit wagering)
I'm a strictly small stakes player anyway....
However has any one done similar with a much larger bonus such as £200 plus £200?
In theory you should be able to get 2 or 3 games or more bonus ready, so even if you don't hit wagering you can recoup on the lined up bonuses...
One game this may work particular well on is Wishmaster ( I think this is right) trigger a decent scroll and as you have to pay for each spin, go back to the game later with live money
Thoughts please?

Yes I do this ALL TIME.

When bonus active trigger bonus round of £2/£4 on Bonanza move to TED £2/£4 and keep closing the games. Then when I have 2/3 big stakes bonus rounds lose the bonus money quickly then play out bonus rounds.

Never had any issues withdrawaing.
 

nutnut

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I only do this on Willhill I might add as they don't seem to have a issue, never tried it elsewhere.
 

brianmon

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So, recently Will Hill through which I play poker had a poor offer, gamble £100 for £20 free at 30x.
On the face of it... about pants as it hard to do £600 wagering although I did get it through twice.
The promo was for all games listed in their game tag. This includes 20p roulette so you can get the £20 for a cost of £3.60, distinctly more worthwhile.
Now.... there are a number of games around such as Wolfhunter and Double Dragon by Yggdrasil, and others such as captain cashfall and Caribbean wilds which have progressive bonuses, in that if something happens a number of times a bonus will trigger.
On Wolfhunter you need 100 kills for either Hunter .
What I did, was build up these games to one away from a bonus with my free money, then exited the game and attempted to complete wagering elsewhere. Once bonus funds done and dusted, return to the game in real cash and within a few spins trigger a bonus!
This worked reasonably well for a daily profit of between £8 and on one occasion £94 for the last two weeks.
Not a kings ransom, however hours of entertainment at no cost with the chance of a beauty ( the winnings from the £20 are uncapped so if you got something huge you just had to hit wagering)
I'm a strictly small stakes player anyway....
However has any one done similar with a much larger bonus such as £200 plus £200?
In theory you should be able to get 2 or 3 games or more bonus ready, so even if you don't hit wagering you can recoup on the lined up bonuses...
One game this may work particular well on is Wishmaster ( I think this is right) trigger a decent scroll and as you have to pay for each spin, go back to the game later with live money
Thoughts please?
Wishmaster is already excluded from play with a bonus, at almost every casino. Because of that reason.
So I hope you're checking the bonus-exempt games lists in the T&C before attempting anything.
Most casinos also have a clause in their T&C to cover, playing with bonus funds to progress in a game and then returning with cash to redeem that progress.
So you may find your winnings being confiscated, and your account closed
 

shadow123

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Yes I do this ALL TIME.

When bonus active trigger bonus round of £2/£4 on Bonanza move to TED £2/£4 and keep closing the games. Then when I have 2/3 big stakes bonus rounds lose the bonus money quickly then play out bonus rounds.

Never had any issues withdrawaing.

Sorry I cant quite hear you , could you say it a bit LOUDER
 

goatwack

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Jesus Nutnut, tone it down with the bellowing, it's overbearing!
 

electronictonic

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Triggering a bonus on normal games them opening them all whilst the bonus is still active should not be classed as bonus abuse, but some casinos seem to think otherwise.....as long as you make sure not to dip
to almost zero which auto cancels the bonus and wagering then open them I don't see how that is abuse, triggering them and playing down to zero them opening them of course is bonus abuse.
 

Mouse75

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To clarify, the game bonuses have not been triggered, the triggering spin will come later.
This is not on banned or excluded games

The bonus triggers later on, sometimes in a completely different session.
 

Mouse75

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If by free money you mean the bonus, then its bonus abuse and the casino will/should confiscate it all.

Most casinos has bonus rules against this.


Most - but there is nothing in Will Hill rules against this - it does not mention progressive slot bonuses in any manner,

Love your - SHOULD confiscate it all ............
 

electronictonic

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To clarify, the game bonuses have not been triggered, the triggering spin will come later.
This is not on banned or excluded games

The bonus triggers later on, sometimes in a completely different session.

Most casinos will class that as bonus abuse...all games that have a mechanic like Wishmaster where you get a scroll with an active bonus then exit the game, bust out on your bonus, then deposit real cash and
then play the bonus out, almost all casinos have that as bonus abuse in their terms, the other way i.e saving 3 scatter bonus rounds has gone tits up for a few streamers whereby they let the bonus drop down to like 0.05 or whatever
and the bonus is auto cancelled and the wagering is gone, then you open those bonuses they will also class this as bonus abuse.

A quick google and it pulls this result, on Calzone as per most casinos

"Delaying any game round in any game, including free spin features and bonus features, to a later time when you have no more wagering requirement and/or performing new deposit(s) while having free spin features or bonus features still available in a game is prohibited."
 

Mouse75

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I think that's known as bonus abuse?

Edit to add, that might only apply if you exit the game in the bonus round and go back to it later once the wagering has completed.

Yeah.... that not the case - bonus has not been triggered - and may take any amount of further spins to do so.
 

electronictonic

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Yeah.... that not the case - bonus has not been triggered - and may take any amount of further spins to do so.

It's bonus abuse, you are gaining an advantage by using a bonus in effect using the casinos money, then coming back with your own money to play it out, and if you do that with the Wishmaster almost every casino would confiscate the winnings from the bonus round and probably give the original deposit back, then probably bonus ban you, because if you played out the Wishmaster bonus in normal time while you still had wagering on your original bonus you would then still be stuck having to wager through wagering...I know UK bonuses are different whereby you play with your real cash first, so technically if you trigger a scroll with your real cash balance then close the game and come back with real funds again later that should not be bonus abuse, not sure of the casinos stance on that for UK players. If you lose your real cash balance then dip into the bonus balance and do the scroll close and come back later then that would be seen as bonus abuse, they can't have it both ways so I suspect it should be fine if you are still on your real cash and you should also be able to play any games on your real cash balance.
 
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Mouse75

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Most casinos will class that as bonus abuse...all games that have a mechanic like Wishmaster where you get a scroll with an active bonus then exit the game, bust out on your bonus, then deposit real cash and
then play the bonus out, almost all casinos have that as bonus abuse in their terms, the other way i.e saving 3 scatter bonus rounds has gone tits up for a few streamers whereby they let the bonus drop down to like 0.05 or whatever
and the bonus is auto cancelled and the wagering is gone, then you open those bonuses they will also class this as bonus abuse.

A quick google and it pulls this result, on Calzone as per most casinos

"Delaying any game round in any game, including free spin features and bonus features, to a later time when you have no more wagering requirement and/or performing new deposit(s) while having free spin features or bonus features still available in a game is prohibited."

Yes - I get that, however this is different. The bonus rounds have not triggered and may not trigger for an infinite number of spins.
I am not delaying any game round in any fashion.
 

brianmon

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Yes - I get that, however this is different. The bonus rounds have not triggered and may not trigger for an infinite number of spins.
I am not delaying any game round in any fashion.

It's not just delaying which is considered bonus abuse. here's a clause from WhiteHat Gaming which covers it

Examples of promotional abuse and/or irregular play (otherwise known as promotional play restrictions):
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(iv) “State game abuse” where the use of bonus or cash funds are used purely to progress through the bonus stages (for example, collecting 9 out of 10 coins to reach that bonus feature) and then final stages (for example, playing to collect the final coin to reach 10 out of 10 coins to reach the bonus feature) completed with cash bets when bonus funds have been forfeited, lost or wagering met and converted to cash. These games include, but are not limited to those listed as 0% contribution in the wagering table in clause 5.5 below.
 

Unibet Rep

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Jumping in as a Casino Rep here,

This is in fact across the spectrum of wagering a bonus considered as bonus abuse. It is very known way to all operators out there (this method can be found on pretty much every ''Cheater'' forum on the internet) and each has their own T&C's covering this.

So as a word of advice if you want to make most out of your bonus please refrain from using the described method or you will in fact run the risk of getting caught and forfeiting your right to any possible winnings and having your account closed indefinitely.

Happy Friday,

Ken
 
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