Sorry Casinomeister. I was posting out of frustration with Full Tilt. I should have kept my head down & soaked it up for a week but their scamming just got to me yesterday. OK ill go through it.
On February, I was reccomended to sign up as an affiliate under Full Tilt. Big mistake. Since then I have introduced 55 players/20+ real money players
On march I picked up a player. looking at the stats. I saw that he only produced $30 in rake but cost me more in transaction fees. This confused me as he was a penny rake player. I guessed he made a large deposit but I contacted full tilt just to check & give me a breakdown of the charge. No response which I have since come to expect as the norm.
Awaiting march payment, it never appeared. I checked my stats. On the day of payment a $460 charge had been thrown in on top of the charges the player had already cost me. It was deemed a fraud charge. Now as I am only charged 20% of the actual cost of the fraud to Full tilt, this was a fraud of $460 x 5 = $2300.
I consider $2300 fraud as pretty significant. To cut a long story short it was explained that it was my fault for allowing the player to click on one of my banners from the WWW
I asked for further information. I was ignored several times in email untill I got this response..
Hi,
We can remove the player XXXXXXX who is the reason that deductions were made to your account. We can remove this player from your account therefore the charge will be removed and you will get the commission generated by the rest of your players.
If we do remove this player then we will not be adding them again in the future when their fradualent activity stops.
Best Regards
KXXXX
The Affiliate Team at Full Tilt Poker
OK, I thought this was an odd response. It is basically stating that Full Tilt allowing a $2300 fraudulent player to continue on their site but I had no other option but to accept the loss of the player to receive my affiliate payments from the other players I had aquired. I never received payment. I foolishly decided to sweep it under the carpet and give Full Tilt another chance.
Although the player fees are a bit questionable to say the least, I received my april payment. the same players give me about 4 times the value at other sites. I can question their calculations of rake and deductions but that is a whole different case.
Now this same player is still on my books. I have acccepted that they delete the player so they could receive 100% of the rake that he brought in so I just assumed that although his name still appeared on my list, the fact that he had no transactions over April & May that the account was no longer there.
So again I am waiting for May's payment.$400 was deducted. I had checked the stats the previous day so I was a bit surprised. Low and behold this same player had appeared on my active player stats again. No player activity other than a $400 fraud deduction. Again that is a $2000 fraud.
My problen with this issue
1) Player fraud but no explaination as to what the fraud was about
2) The email clearly indicating that the fraud was not fraudulent enough for full tilt to close the players account.
3) For Mays fraud charge, the player was no longer on my affiliate program
4) not once did Full Tilt contact me to tell me of the deduction or that there was irregular activity reguarding one of my players
5) after committting a $2300 fraud, the player was allowed to commit a further $2000 fraud 2 months after Full Tilts own detection
Yes I am suggesting that Full Tilt are running a scam affiliate program.
If any site is going to run poker bots on their site it will be a dishonest one. I consider Full Tilt in that catagory. The site uses Blackhat SEO techniques, they scam their affiliates. Who knows how they are extracting money from the players, over and above the rake they are collecting?