Fruit Party - Pragmatic Play

ultra100

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. A casino can buy different RTP models for different markets, it's their choice as long as the players in those markets are correctly informed.
This is a good point. Operator in question changed to lower RTP version at some point, without any notification. You wouldn't expect from players to check out help file every time before playing particular game.
 
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And, it's also worth mentioning that if you play practice mode at operator in question, the RTP for the Fruit Party is listed as: 1619583185365.png ; while a real money mode gives you RTP of: 1619583248260.png

In other words, you get different results from practice/demo VS real-money mode. IMHO, this is very misleading to players.
 

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yes but my point is they don't have any small print like an advert on TV for a car would. They always have that line of text so as it can't be accused of being misleading.
Pragmatic Play are misleading customers by stating one RTP.

Netent are even worse, state one RTP then have this on their website

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Can RTP be changed by the casino operators?​

Not for NetEnt games. Our games are only certified at the RTP that is stated in the game rules.

Do free-to-play games have the same RTP as the real version?​

Yes, they are the exact same games. For example, on games.netent.com, you can try all NetEnt games for free. This gives players a good chance to get a sense of the gameplay before playing for real money. In many countries, it is required by law that all free games are the same as “for money” games. NetEnt ensures that this is always the case.

Maybe @burgstrom would like to explain why they are lying to customers?
Hey All,

It would be inappropriate for me to comment on NetEnt as I no longer work there.

One thing I would state as something generic. The Free To Play RTP should be at the same as the real money version on an operator's website. As Providers generally don't offer a real money version - they tend to offer either the most popular or highest RTP versions on their websites. I don't think that Providers can be expected to provide the right RTP according to which casino you like to play on, seems unfeasible.
 

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I think he means that the games are extremely volatile. Well if you ever wondered why and how a fast quick win came in so fast... It means that at the other end of the spectrum some other players are losing significant.
 

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I explained that in my last post. The developers respond the demands of their customers, the casinos. Plus some of them provide games to both land-based and online where margins are very different, so have always had variable maths models like WMS and IGT and Novomatic.
Those developers exclusively offering online games and with varying maths do so because their customers demand it. Why these customers demand it, whether through necessity or greed, we don't really know at this time.
You'd better get used to it, as soon a slot developer only offering fixed maths will become a rarity and won't survive in the modern online slot era - unless A, the RTP is fixed at a crap level anyway or B, the games are so hugely popular that the casino will take a hit on them and subsidize it from other games with nerfed RTP.


"a slot developer only offering fixed maths will become a rarity and won't survive in the modern online slot era"

Really? How come the game of Blackjack has survived since 17th century, with the RTP of 99%+?

"Why these customers demand it, whether through necessity or greed, we don't really know at this time"

Well, I have seen both sides of the coin and I know it. Players/Operators. It's the 2nd one ;-)
 

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@ultra100
Blackjack may have a 99% rtp, but that's with playing the optimal strategy on a permanent basis. If you sit down recreationally with only a very basic knowledge of how to play, there's a good chance you're not going to hit that 99% rtp, especially if you're also playing more than one hand at the same time.
Or some paraletic drunk who can barely see the cards might sit down alone at a table in a casino and piss off the dealer taking ages with having to put his nose to the cards each time in order to work out what they are, like I did the last time I went to a live casino for a No Limit holdem tournament and had a sudden urge to sit down with some of the winnings on the high roller black jack table. ;)

I would also think that since it's such a popular game, it brings more custom to the casino where inevitablely a large portion of that custom will also at times be spending some of their money on other games, or if on a land based casino, perhaps have their friends join them occasionally for a night out as well.
 
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