Fruit Frenzy Layout at Doyles...hmmm....

[mac-online]

I just found out that RTG was busted in a court of law by some freeky slot player who videoed a zillion spins. He proved that RTG rigged the billion dollar Progressive jack pot. Any body have that thread in GPWA? It would be a gas to read. KJ?

 

[vinylweatherman]

I just found out that RTG was busted in a court of law by some freeky slot player who videoed a zillion spins. He proved that RTG rigged the billion dollar Progressive jack pot. Any body have that thread in GPWA? It would be a gas to read. KJ?

We also need the official court report too. RTG are probably immune though, having hidden themselves away in Costa Rica. We would certainly be interested in HOW he managed to amass proof good enough to convince a court that RTG were cheating, and what was considered "cheating" by this court.

 

[hippo925]

IMO, RTG does a GREAT job! the software controls they have are like every other half way decent software provider, land based and online. All casinos need the ability to tweak things.

Example. Las Vegas law (last I checked) mandated that slots RTP MIN is set to 75%!! 75% !! This is robbery,,,,I think the lowest setting for any slot is 86% and many min are in the 90%! This is much more fair then Las Vegas! and Atlantic city is about 80% I think so still in line....

When you play a slot at a land based casino what % is it? Some might have 2 -3 advertised at 99% or whatever, but please note, these numbers change very often at landbased also.

I speak for the casino i work for and not RTG, and I think there are a few good software makers out there....But I think sometimes RTG gets blamed for things, or suck with things, that is not really their fault...

first, appreciate your posts casinojack! Just wanted to add my opinion to your statements about landbased RTP's. Yes, the minimum allowed by law seems low, but landbased casinos do not use the minimum or anything even remotely close to it. The RTP's reported by vegas casinos (though it does include video poker) are much higher than the legal minimum.

Now.... if online slots are MUCH better or MUCH fairer than landbased slots, shouldn't they actually play MUCH better?

Also, Nevada, as you pointed out, has jurisdictional laws controlling RTP's and fair gaming. Who has jurisdictional legal control over online casinos? If a minimum 75% RTP is robbery, what would no minimum be?

Just adding my two cents, respectfully. I understand your point that not all casinos should be labeled negatively just because they are Rtg, but you can see why issues like this thread raise concerns... Unfortunately, RTG and most RTG casinos are not as open or transparent as you are. (kudos for that, by the way!)

 

[mac-online]

The best part about KJ post is that he is talking, smiling and making himself available!!. I respect that. (Kudos for that) I like that saying"Kudos" where did that word come from?

So RTG is in CR wow. You mean that the software is developed here? The actual work is done here? far out.. I have lived here for 25 years. I love it here... the sun, the mountain air and once every so often the beach. My kids grew up here. I have been working a flower and palm farm for perhaps way too long... I put that in the post to help your mental picture of this peaceful country. There are a few industries that CR is good for, argiculture, casinos and computer technology to name a few. The people wear smiles and the law is lazy, lazy. Not like the first world's. But it is a double edged sword.

 

[RobWin]

I just found out that RTG was busted in a court of law by some freeky slot player who videoed a zillion spins. He proved that RTG rigged the billion dollar Progressive jack pot. Any body have that thread in GPWA? It would be a gas to read. KJ?

Mac, I think it would only be fair to RTG if you are going to make a statement like that here to actually back that statement up with some facts or at the very least a link or two.

How did you just find this out anyway, what is/was your source for making this statement?
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[mac-online]

Totally correct. Give me about 10 hours and i will post what I have been told.

Thank you very much for your conscern with details. I was tired when i posted that. I should have been more "there".

 

[pinkfloyd]

I'm surprised there's not more interest in this thread as it is VERY significant in terms of RTP...

ive been following the thread with interest , but havent posted incase i shoot myself in the foot ,well loaded the gun here goes

if a casino claims that fun mode is exactly the same as real mode

if we got 30 players all on fun mode to have 1000 spins and post the % should we get a small idea of a games payout ?
or would that be not a big enough databse to judge off ?
could we do it with 50 people and 10k spins ?


allso one thing is confusing me a little ,,,, will take the results on the chin

if auditors find a machine to be truly random or a machine is truly random how can it pay out 97% ? would the machine not have to be pool or pot driven like the fruity slots ? ie take in 110 fix reel payout of 100 .

if i play 100 bux on a machine thats truly random , havent i got a possibility that i can spin $0 on every spin 100 times ?

if i made a coin flipping machine the probability is 50% chance heads or tails but if i did not fix the payout you could , call heads 100 times and lose ...so the machine has no fixed payout ... just a probable payout . do online machines have a probable payout over many spins or a fixed payout ?

hope this makes sense and hasnt derailed

 

[Casinomeister]

Admin Warning: false statements

I just found out that RTG was busted in a court of law by some freeky slot player who videoed a zillion spins. He proved that RTG rigged the billion dollar Progressive jack pot. Any body have that thread in GPWA? It would be a gas to read. KJ?

Before making brash and unfounded/false statements like this, please review the forum rules - especially 1.6. Your statement is utter nonsense.

 

[thelawnet]

ive been following the thread with interest , but havent posted incase i shoot myself in the foot ,well loaded the gun here goes

if a casino claims that fun mode is exactly the same as real mode

if we got 30 players all on fun mode to have 1000 spins and post the % should we get a small idea of a games payout ?
or would that be not a big enough databse to judge off ?
could we do it with 50 people and 10k spins ?

Depends on the game.

You can expect a slot machine to have a standard deviation of between 4 and 10, probably more towards the lower end in most cases.

If you want to be 95% sure that you've got things to +-1% of the actual return, then:
(rn + 1.96s*sqrt(n))/n = r + 0.01
so
n = 196s*sqrt(n)
i.e.
n = 38416 * s^2

so the number of spins you would need to be in a 95% confidence interval of +-1 would be for a low variance slot (sd of 4) 38416 * 16 = 615,000
For a higher variance slot (sd 5) = 960400. And for a very high variance one 3.84 million

With 30,000 spins, forget trying to draw any conclusions. You need six figures.

allso one thing is confusing me a little ,,,, will take the results on the chin

if auditors find a machine to be truly random or a machine is truly random how can it pay out 97% ? would the machine not have to be pool or pot driven like the fruity slots ? ie take in 110 fix reel payout of 100 .

if i play 100 bux on a machine thats truly random , havent i got a possibility that i can spin $0 on every spin 100 times ?

That depends how the game is set up. Better to look at 10 spins - you can spin 0 10 times, for sure. Equally you could hit the jackpot first spin. The 97% refers to the theoretical payout if the machine. This is like saying that on average if you roll a dice 6 times, the sum of the values would be 1+2+3+4+5+6=21. In reality it probably won't be, but that's the way it's designed, and if you took the experiences over a million spins or so that's how it would average out.

 

[mac-online]

Before making brash and unfounded/false statements like this, please review the forum rules - especially 1.6. Your statement is utter nonsense.

I finally figured out how this quote thing works... YEH!!

Your right and I have thanked you. I will tottaly improve my style.
In 8 hours I can get some info on what I heard.

Again I appologize.
It does seam outragous that it could be proven in a court of law.

I will get back... to either totally desolve my ego online or prove my slanderous remark is true.

B

 

[casinojack]

The best part about KJ post is that he is talking, smiling and making himself available!!. I respect that. (Kudos for that) I like that saying"Kudos" where did that word come from?

So RTG is in CR wow. You mean that the software is developed here? The actual work is done here? far out.. I have lived here for 25 years. I love it here... the sun, the mountain air and once every so often the beach. My kids grew up here. I have been working a flower and palm farm for perhaps way too long... I put that in the post to help your mental picture of this peaceful country. There are a few industries that CR is good for, argiculture, casinos and computer technology to name a few. The people wear smiles and the law is lazy, lazy. Not like the first world's. But it is a double edged sword.

I have an office by downtown san jose...want a tour ???

 

[thelawnet]

I finally figured out how this quote thing works... YEH!!

Your right and I have thanked you. I will tottaly improve my style.
In 8 hours I can get some info on what I heard.

Again I appologize.
It does seam outragous that it could be proven in a court of law.

I will get back... to either totally desolve my ego online or prove my slanderous remark is true.

Of course it's not true.

 

[mac-online]

No It is not true and I appologize.
I appologize to CM the readers and RTG.

I just went back to the loose talk guy and found that he is changing his tune.

I learned a lot from this and am learning a lot in other threads as well. I am learning not only what i am hearing but what I am saying.
I thank everyone for putting up with my unlearnt style. i will be much more careful in the future.

In fact i will listen more and type a LOT less.

Thank you