Free Spins

[tim5ny]

Wtg m8

But only, proves what I said before, the Free Spins seem to be coming more on lower bets to me too and I have won a few hundred. i was even shocked when i won 150 on CashaLot as it's my highest win on it, then again I played over 2200 spins.

Could use that 800k plus, lol

Thanks

You may be right. When I got ahead on the slots, I bumped it up to $1.35/spin and never saw another bonus round. This was after having an amazing run at .45/spin. WTF is up with that?

 

[tim5ny]

Ok I think I murdered myself trying all Free Spin Games.

I done another 3k I think and got not where and then Mega spin game rescued me back to 2500.



I then played Cabin Fever and got battered until i raised my stakes to around 50 bucks a spin and then won 5k I think it was.

Thanks

Please post these screenshots when you get them. It's not often we see a $5,000.00 winner on Cabin Fever or big hits on the Mega-Spins.

 

[Slotster!]

FWIW, Ladies Nite at 32RED gave me FIVE free spin features in the first 80 spins earlier today. Nice double re-trigger too.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Stats

Perhaps we all need a means to pool our stats in one location for mutual benefit. Seems many of us run the odd experiment on one game or other, producing thought provoking data, but never enough of it to prove a point scientifically.
It is odd how a random game (as claimed), such as a video slot, can suffer a long term change without changes to the reel bands or paytables. This cannot happen, as it is the reel bands and paytable that determine the probability of each combination over the long term. If the slots were "weighted" (thus not entirely random), or operated as a "prize bingo" as the new style "random" UK video slots do, then it would be possible to tweak the game in a hidden manner.
As a seasoned UK Fruit Machine player I know the tedious way to extract the reel bands for all MG slots. I tried the other way but the crafty MG rotters do not store the data as reel bands, but as 2 symbol bands (one static & one spinning) which are knitted into the individual 5 reels when the game is loaded.
Considering a 30 symbol and 5 reel slot has 30^5 possible combinations, I am surprised to often see the same ones over and over on some slots, particularly 5 reel drive (although I believe this has less symbols per reel). This makes me suspect "prize bingo" randomness rather than a slot game.

It would be nice if MG would provide a "download as excel format or CSV format" option in Playcheck and Cashcheck, would make it easy for players to analyse. Currently it needs repeated cut and paste.

 

[mariagextra]

FWIW, I played Thunderstruck at roadhouse reels last night, and hit a ton of free spins.

I guess that made up for the lack of them I saw last week at Belle Vegas. (985 spins before my first free spin).

 

[liquidsoap]

well for what its worth played ladies night a bonus from lake palace for spotting babook

got the freespins 3 times, in 40 spins with a retrigger
and was only betting 18 cents, won 42 on the one set, not bad little over 230 times my bet

 

[cheekymonkey]

ooohh...very pretty!

but rubbish outcome - 60.00 total winngins

 

[Bal]

Please post these screenshots when you get them. It's not often we see a $5,000.00 winner on Cabin Fever or big hits on the Mega-Spins.

Sorry all for the delay

I'll see if I can get the screen shots up, but games like Cabin Fever I won't be able to as the wins on free spins aren't shown.

Just to update you all why I haven't posted much of late here is below.

I have decided to give up on, online stuff as I can't believe that I could be up 6-10k (UK) for a good period of time upto the updates, when we were saying that free spins seems to be worse now, I have lost well over 20-30k including what I made as profit.

I even had someone from a known casino which I think is featured here call me and try to explain something that nothing is wrong with the games.

I played GoodToGo for hours and played nearly 4k and then deposited another 8k I would say staying on this game, as I thought at some stage it must give the feature.

Did I get it? Noooooooooooooooooooo

So you are talking about wagering over 20k-30k with not even one feature including lowest one of just two symbols.

Did this guy think any of it, Noooooooooooo

You know what he said, Oh if you look at previous plays on other games like Secret Admirer you have done good. This went onto other games as well but I said, I don't agree as games you play on at that time are only relevant otherwise you can go on quoting wins from 6 months ago.

So I quoted again that I am not asking about any other day but this day. I asked him, can he honestly say that a game is playing right when over 12k has been deposited on it and over 20k has been waged on it and it hasn't given any decent win apart from one win of 648 I think it was.

He didn't seem to understand my point of view that if a game is listed with the high payouts then at least it should give a decent win or even the feature, be it be a small win. I would have lived with getting a feature and then for it not to give anything but, when you see no sign of it then something has changed as I use to get them no problem. I mean that I get the features and sometimes it gives you a small win of say just 200 on 11.25 or 22.50 a spin.

This guy said he would come back to me but, has never come back as I asked him to get the stats for that day only. He was still quoting for whole of December which you know you would have done good one some games and bad on others.

On the last point, he said something about the games are set to payout on a ramdon basis ( I think) at a given time of play. He said this, a game will pay at a random time of play so if you were playing to get features then it isn't guaranteed as it would form part of your play at that time. In brief , I could play at 10pm and hit a big win on either the feature or normal play regardless of how long I play. So if I then carried on with my big win, I may lose it all as the games are set to pay at random times.

So does this mean, we all should be listing the best times we play and win??? Noooo as I tried this method as I use to do well on a Saturday night but, this went down hill from noticing free spins weren't coming no more.

The main reason I am giving up is that, takening into account that what this person said, the odds of you winning are hit and miss on the basis that you would have to play at a given time you thought was lucky to you.

Maybe why I haven't been as lucky on UK sites, but lucky on US one's when I have been on leave as I use to play in the daytime which would be early morning US.

I have just worked out that I have better odds just playing once in a blue moon on a PJP for small amounts and not to play big no more as the loses outweigh my wins, leaving me slightly in debt.

If you are doing well then wtg on you all, but from my experience of years of play, what this guy said makes some sense in that the games must be tweeked if they can be set to give payouts at given time periods.

This probably would also be backed up as my fave casino never had any big wins for weeks when we were all complaining then suddenly over 10 big wins occured just after the new year.

Maybe nothing, maybe everything.

I'll be back oneday but I am sticking to the UK Lotto as i have done better on that, lol

Thanks

 

[tim5ny]

I wish you well Bal! I am sorry to see you leave.

 

[Bal]

I wish you well Bal! I am sorry to see you leave.

Thanks

I not leaving here but putting a hold on casino's.

Maybe Summer was my lucky time and not Autumn/Winter

Thanks

 

[BrianC]

"On the last point, he said something about the games are set to payout on a ramdon basis ( I think) at a given time of play. He said this, a game will pay at a random time of play so if you were playing to get features then it isn't guaranteed as it would form part of your play at that time. In brief , I could play at 10pm and hit a big win on either the feature or normal play regardless of how long I play. So if I then carried on with my big win, I may lose it all as the games are set to pay at random times.

So does this mean, we all should be listing the best times we play and win??? Noooo as I tried this method as I use to do well on a Saturday night but, this went down hill from noticing free spins weren't coming no more"

Bal,

From my experience this does seem to be the case. Time does matter.
That is why you need to make your deposit, use a small amount to
"sample" the game and if it's hot, stay with it. If it's not, LOG OUT (this starts a new "session") and return in a couple of hours. If still not too good, come back on a different day.
I think why your doing poorly because you stay on a slot even though it is clearly in a cold cycle. If your finding yourself saying "this just isn't going to payout" and if your gut feeling is the same, then simply stay away from it and come back another time. Video Poker is the same way.


Brian


Brian

 

[tim5ny]

"On the last point, he said something about the games are set to payout on a ramdon basis ( I think) at a given time of play. He said this, a game will pay at a random time of play so if you were playing to get features then it isn't guaranteed as it would form part of your play at that time. In brief , I could play at 10pm and hit a big win on either the feature or normal play regardless of how long I play.

Bal,

From my experience this does seem to be the case. Time does matter.

I'm surprised that this guy would give up this kind of info. If that's the case, then this is not good. Very disappointing! What happened to randomness? The games have random payoffs but not at random times?? I don't understand... or at least I hope I don't understand correctly.

 

[Bal]

I'm surprised that this guy would give up this kind of info. If that's the case, then this is not good. Very disappointing! What happened to randomness? The games have random payoffs but not at random times?? I don't understand... or at least I hope I don't understand correctly.

Brian

It's not simply the case no more.

See the big difference that we are talking about is that, Free Spins happened alot despite the spin amount i.e for me 11.25 -22.50 average. Since around November 2005 I and not only me have noticed that Free Spins have been hard to get now. That's why I made records that I seem to only get Free Spins on lower bets and not big bets.

Maybe what has changed now is that, you win big on random times, rather than random Free Spins or random payouts.

It not simply the case of the games isn't doing well so come back another time. I have tried that many times over and I am not giving up simply because I have lost a lot lately. I have lost 20k before and won 26k back in 2 months, but to me it has come a time where I have noticed major changes and you can't simply say that nothing has changed.

On the other hand, I know the method you mean of coming back at another time as you ever played the bar and clubs fruit machines? Well same applies for me, as I use to win alot more if I played for a bit, then came of the machine for a few minutes until it reset and then played on it again. I seemed to do much better than staying on it for hours.

Like that guy was trying to state my win ratio on other games on that day. I have expressed on this thread or another that the Oline games should not differ that much from actual fruit machines you get in bars and clubs. I mean in the term that say a jackpot machine of 500 would eventually payout be it if I had to put 450 to win the 500. Also these games should be showing some wins be it small or big but shouldn't be dead as that just puts off new players.

I have joined other online casino's and after say 2 days playing at it I don't win nothing much, I close my account as I put it down to that casino not being lucky to me.

So for me, when I have been playing on my regular casino's for years and won say every other month and lost the month between, it's not a coincident that suddenly all the ones I played at suddenly stopped giving Free Spins on big bets or you now sometime get Free Spins above 600 spins to start with.

So for Tim5ny I will say this much.

It is most likely that casino's have reduced the amount of Free Spins on big bets and gone with the method of giving wins on a time based.

What I don't understand and maybe will never know is, if a player can be set to have a win at certain times. In other words, can a casino somehow fix a win for a player who has deposited alot and lost, but to make sure that player doesn't leave, the next time they play they do well.

This is sort of the point I was making above that some months I lost 20k but won it the following month. In one month I checked my deposits against my payouts and found that I had deposited 40k and won 45k, so only won 5k.

Don't be put off by what I am saying as if your luck is in, ride with it but just be careful that you do not fall for the old trick of thinking you can win big in one big go. We have all been there and even when we have had payouts pending and decide to reverse some of it upto reversing it all and losing it.

I'm gonna sort my finances out first as I have explained, that I am taking a break but, it isn't strictly to do with my recent loss but, more to do with my bank and online banking as it never showed my true balance, so I went over my set limits on how much I wage.

I won't be using my debit card again as alot of the casino's were taking over a week to charge me.

Thanks

 

[BrianC]

Bal,

I hear what your saying and understand you completely.
I wouldn't be suprised at all if they vary the payouts at times. It's probably
as easy as clicking a few buttons of the mouse for them to do that.
I don't play those slots that have the free spins often. Mostly because, for me, they have been FAR too volatile and easy to get addicted to.
I like sticking to the Video Poker and a few select slot favorites.

Remember, they designed those games to have you get hooked on landing
those free spins. They appearantly have done just that for a lot of people so
I don't need them - or, I'll play them in free mode only.

I hope things improve for you.


Brian

 

[mitch]

Bal

Please consider what you are doing.

If you are playing slots with an expectation of winning money in the long run, you are in trouble mate. Bonuses will not save you unless you are incredibly lucky (or follow the KK method )

You may have a gambling problem and need to consider this. Other members of this forum can give you better advice than me on how to deal with this.

Kind regards

Mitch

 

[BrianC]

One more thing Bal -

RE: "What I don't understand and maybe will never know is, if a player can be set to have a win at certain times. In other words, can a casino somehow fix a win for a player who has deposited alot and lost, but to make sure that player doesn't leave, the next time they play they do well.

This is sort of the point I was making above that some months I lost 20k but won it the following month. In one month I checked my deposits against my payouts and found that I had deposited 40k and won 45k, so only won 5k."

I absolutely, positively and undeniably think that yes, they can and do exactly this. I have seen it far too many times myself.
I call it "catching you up to your losses". Lets face it, the casino can't afford for you to 'never' win or even for you to suffer large loses because you'll leave them in no time and they'll lose "long-term" profits. By limiting your losses and bringing you some return, you begin to feel more trusting in them and end up staying. For me, usually when I 'catch up' and recover my loses, I find that it's nearly impossible to make anything over that (in other words, start accumulating loses again until another "catch up" period).

It's the vicious cycle of gambling.

Brian

 

[Pinababy69]

I am also in the midst of a terrible drought. I do occasionally play some three line slot games, like High Five, or Cash Clams...but for the most part I play the bonus round video slots and the free spin video slots. And to go 500 plus spins with no bonus rounds is becoming the norm. I am seriously considering giving it a break as well...it's not just the money, it's the lack of entertainment. I do not mind spending money if I enjoy myself, but when it's not fun.....maybe it's time to give it a rest. I get the occasional session where I switch around games and maybe get up a bit, but not enough to cashout. And inevitably I hit that "wall" that everyone speaks of, and lose whatever small gains I made in minutes. I'm sure it will come around again, but I have gone five months without a single cashout, big or small, and that is just too long.

 

[venetian]

I finally got the free spins on Thunderstruck this weekend @ 1.35 per spin. It retriggered twice and I ended up with only $100. I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the big payoff. That has never happened to me before( the retriggers). Of course upped my bet after that and nothing....

 

[Dewberry]

I'm in agreement with all of you. It seems whenever I have some good wins (around Christmas) the next month is a total washout, at all the casinos I try.

The free spins seem to payout more on the smaller bets - I get next to nothing if I raise it up to $1.35 or more.

As was mentioned here before, a re-trigger only seems to bring more spins of nothing. IMO it appears like the total amount of the spins is decided before you hit the button.

If it wasn't for a big win of $1000 from I Net Bet on their 20X slot bonus (playing the Red something or other) I would be totally in the hole this month.

This isn't fun at all

I do keep trying Harvey though, and have done better at a different casino.

 

[Slotster!]

I've hit free spins at anything between .90p and 45. I'm absolutely certain the bet size does not matter a jot.

Here's my opinion on the thing, and it is only my opinion. I think that free spins are pre-determined in terms of how much you'll win, but that's not to say it isn't random. I.e - at the beginning of the free spins, the computer says you'll win x amount from the spins, so it does the pretty stuff to make it happen. This means you could hit nothing or the jackpot, regardless of how the reels line up. Crypto slots make this a lot more obvious with the bonus rounds, where it's clearly pre-determined - but no less random (if that makes sense?). Like the time I jacked the bet up at Intercasino, and on my first spin at 20 hit a bonus round for 8000 (see winner screenshots thread).

You just get less spins at a higher bet, hence why it seems the feature hits less.

 

[Bal]

Bal

Please consider what you are doing.

If you are playing slots with an expectation of winning money in the long run, you are in trouble mate. Bonuses will not save you unless you are incredibly lucky (or follow the KK method )

You may have a gambling problem and need to consider this. Other members of this forum can give you better advice than me on how to deal with this.

Kind regards

Mitch

Mitch

Little lost here but, as I have explained but, maybe not clearly....

There are two reason's why I am giving up for a while

1) Something has changed on the games and I have never been down this much for years. Maybe nothing , maybe be everything to read from this.

2) I made the mistake of using my debit card and my stupid bank online banking system was incorrect, so I played with money above my set limits I play with.

I could play again and win 500 on smaller bets without a problem and build back up, but I have decided that this was a good omen which made me realise that it's not worth playing big no more as previously explained on many threads and here, that it seems when you win big you seem to lose straight after it and then win back, so you are never really up big i.e win 10k one month, lose 8k the following etc.

If I had any sort of gambling problem then I would not have had set limits I never went above but more of the case I wanted to hit big. Sometimes you have to just accept that, your lucks not in for a big win e.g a Jackpot.

I have never won any of the Jackpots on any game I have played for years but the biggest win I have had was 12k on Thunderstruck Free Spins.

I need to sort my finances first and then decide what I will do as I won't take the risk of gambling more to recover my losses, when I have a greater risk of losing more.

I am gonna re-set my limits again when the time is right.

Thanks

 

[Bal]

I've hit free spins at anything between .90p and 45. I'm absolutely certain the bet size does not matter a jot.

Here's my opinion on the thing, and it is only my opinion. I think that free spins are pre-determined in terms of how much you'll win, but that's not to say it isn't random. I.e - at the beginning of the free spins, the computer says you'll win x amount from the spins, so it does the pretty stuff to make it happen. This means you could hit nothing or the jackpot, regardless of how the reels line up. Crypto slots make this a lot more obvious with the bonus rounds, where it's clearly pre-determined - but no less random (if that makes sense?). Like the time I jacked the bet up at Intercasino, and on my first spin at 20 hit a bonus round for 8000 (see winner screenshots thread).

You just get less spins at a higher bet, hence why it seems the feature hits less.

I hear what you saying and we aren't saying that you don't get Free Spins, but more of the case that it is now time based.

You hitting the bonus on you 20 bet is another sign that, that time of play was lucky for you at 20 bets.

How many times have you seen the Free Spin feature re-trigger and you think I am gonna win a pack now, only to find that the first set of spins give you, say 1000 and then the 2nd set somehow seem to speed up and you win only another 100 on top. I have seen this many times over, even when I have had a re-trigger 4 times and won 2500 on the first 40 spins and then I am lucky to add another 200 on the last 20 spins.

So I agree with you that they are pre-determined on how much the Free Spin win is gonna be. This also goes for when you bet big and somehow you never win much and compared to playing lower bets you would have done better i.e a bet of 45 seems worse on Free Spins than a bet of 11.25 on Thunderstruck, Tomb Raider etc

Thanks