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chiya

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This is rogue and i see no way you do not lose your accreditation once the admin comes along.

Some casinos do have this but do no apply it unless it is noticeable. I have played at betsson doing $2 bets and then lower to .80 and it was fine. When I asked about it they said it more applied if I was doing $5 and then lowered to 50 cent. Which I still think is BS.

Some people like to mess around and bet a bit bigger for awhile example betting $2. And then go back to their comfort zone. You really going to take peoples winning because of this?

Be a good casino. Give the player their money and change your terms. I see this as your only out to not lose complete respect. Its not caving or pride, its the right thing to do.

Losing accreditation over this will never happen. I've once questioned about the rogue-ish terms of one another accredited casino, which I can't remember right now. I believe I was told by the Meister himself that the bonus rules of a casino do not affect whether the casino gets accredited at all.

Also this thread clearly proves that most of you never read the T&S at casinos. This rule about halving your bet is nothing new. I've seen it countless times, and it's a rule I more or less expect a casino to have. Even if the terms don't straight out say the specifics of the rule, every casino usually has a rule about reserving the right to void winnings if they deem your play "irregular". Playing like this would classify as that. Therefore whenever I play at casinos I fully expect them to use this rule against me if I play like this.

I too sometimes raise my bet from the lowroller zone to try few spins on a bigger bet. Sometimes I get lucky and win. If it's a massive win I'm not just gonna drop back to 0,20 from 2. Instead I might drop to 1,50, and after a while drop to 1 .. never got into trouble this way.

Though I do still sometimes wonder what does classify as "significant increase" in balance, and if winning such sum means you actually can't ever go back to low bets. What I described above is what I'd do but whether I've got lucky or that's actually allowed I do not know ..
 

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Also this thread clearly proves that most of you never read the T&S at casinos. This rule about halving your bet is nothing new. I've seen it countless times, and it's a rule I more or less expect a casino to have

where on earth do you play?

i play actively or semi actively on maybe 2-3 dozens of casinos and not a single one has this term. Are you hand picking casinos with crappy bonus terms or how does that work? :oops:
 

CasinoNinja

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I agree with what has been said here, there is NO reason for a casino to have this term. The bonus wagering + the fact that a slot returns less than what you put in on average should be enough.

Lowering stakes does not lower the wagering requirements, it just makes it last longer but you still just have to be as lucky to clear it. It's not a "strategy" it just makes the fun last a bit longer.

This is a BS term for casinos to be greedy.
 

AnnaTS

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This reminds me of something i did last year that i had totally forgot about when i was playing at Slots magic while having a bonus active.

Usually my bets are between 40p - 90p but sometimes i like to try my luck and do bets up to £1.50.

What i actually did was i had been betting between 40p - 90p as usual but none of the slots were doing anything and i was getting a bit fed up and i had £200 balance left, So i decided to go on magic mirror and do 100 spins at £2 a spin, I was really lucky because 5 ladies came in and i won £1000.

I posted this win in the screenshots explaining what happened and it's not something i do a lot, But after i won this i went back to doing my normal 40p - 90p spins.

So because i tried my luck at a higher stake than what i usually and won, Then went back to what i usually bet that's now abusing a bonus ?

So according to this casino what i did, I should've had my winnings taken away is disgusting.
 

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Of course players are going to protect their balance and grind out the remainder. With a cash out so close in sight it's what every gambler would do when playing with a bonus.

This casino knows gamblers' patterns and has constructed a term around that. It's foul and if anything goes against the 'spirit of the bonus', this surely is it.

I don't see the long- term benefit for the casino here either. Player retention is going to be near 0, and all to save a few hundred here and there from confiscations??

These are the dying embers of the bonus system quite obviously, it's been coming for a while. This is about as far removed from the early introduction of bonuses as is possible and makes a mockery of honest players. Just so the casino can go
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Accredited my arse, as Jim Royle might say :cool:
 

Lucas

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Wow, I'm really surprised reading this thread. It seems like most people still don't read the rules, and I don't just speak about the OP because this is a common rule who have been in many casinos for many years.
It's there to just prevent people from signing up and try to take advantage of the welcome bonus by playing max bet and if they win high, they reduce the size to lowest bet, grind the wagering, cashing out never to be seen again.

Many praised Betat for years and they had that rule. Don't know if it's still there but probably.

I have never heard about a casino who use the term against normal players, who actually plan to return to the casino. They normally don't play like that anyway.
No, I don't like the rule at all but I've never been bothered about it and I can see the casinos side too as usual.

What bothers me though is that I told Lucas about that stupid rule about risking your winnings by entering a forbidden game the very day they opened. Still they haven't fixed it:eek2:

Hi Tirilej, apologies for the slight delay. seems that the first sentence was removed when you had initially brought it to my attention. I realized that the part of the text towards the end of the said paragraph was still showing. It has now been updated.

you can lose everything if you dare to open some games .

Hi colinsunderland, as per above the term implying players may have their winnings voided if you enter said group of games has been updated accordingly.

Having said that, please note, that even though the term was still showing as it did to date, It was not possible to breach the said term due to the feature implemented at our casino that should a player click intentionally or unintentionally on a stated restricted game while having an active bonus, the system would automatically not allow you to proceed.

Kind Regards,
Lucas
 

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Hi Tirilej, apologies for the slight delay. seems that the first sentence was removed when you had initially brought it to my attention. I realized that the part of the text towards the end of the said paragraph was still showing. It has now been updated.



Hi colinsunderland, as per above the term implying players may have their winnings voided if you enter said group of games has been updated accordingly.

Having said that, please note, that even though the term was still showing as it did to date, It was not possible to breach the said term due to the feature implemented at our casino that should a player click intentionally or unintentionally on a stated restricted game while having an active bonus, the system would automatically not allow you to proceed.

Kind Regards,
Lucas

Thanks. However you still haven't stated what a large win is? How are players supposed to know what they can bet if you don't state a figure? Like I said, my definition of a large win is probably different to someone elses.
 

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Welcome colin.

And as per earlier posts we are taking into consideration all of the remarks & feedback to make the bonus terms yet even more friendly.

Feel free to keep an eye out on the forum here as we announce further updates across all of our product offering coming up.

Regards,
Lucas
 

colinsunderland

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Welcome colin.

And as per earlier posts we are taking into consideration all of the remarks & feedback to make the bonus terms yet even more friendly.

Feel free to keep an eye out on the forum here as we announce further updates across all of our product offering coming up.

Regards,
Lucas

Not answering the question makes you seem shady at best. If you don't know what a large win is, then how on earth is this term not unfair or rogue? Some games say BIG WIN after 10x stake, some 20x stake, some 50x. Mega win can be 100x, 500x. TBH, by refusing to answer what a large win is, just makes it look like you decide what the figure is when you feel like confiscating funds. You use the term 'large' in your T&C's. You must be able to specify what 'large' means.

If you want to have that term thats fine, I won't play there, but as long as its clear, I don't have a problem with it. However it is far from clear.

@Casinomeister any views on this please?
 

Lucas

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Hi Colin,

I'm sorry you feel that way. If you look at the term in question you'll notice it states: "increasing your balance after placing high value bets and thereafter proceeding to place bets of less than half of the prior bet value, in order to meet bonus wagering requirements" .

We understand that this bonus term may not be liked by some users, and we genuinely appreciate all feedback relating to this bonus term as replied to in previous posts, we welcome remarks and strive to have all rules as clear as possible.

Re; actual figures of balance amount increase stated:- this has been noted, & we'll inform everyone in the event that this is updated.

Kind Regards,
Lucas
 

lockinlove

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Good job Lucas sticking around and answering questions. Alot of reps hide when things go down.

I know you arent the owner and possibly dont have any say in this but maybe link the owners to this thread so they can see the mountain of negative feedback by many different posters. This is an awful term. Its unfair.

Nobody can take a shot or do big bets for a little bit and then drop back down? You take away from fun and the gamble.

We can all agree that the house has the advantage and slots are -EV. Isnt that enough?

So many times. Most session I will do some $2-$5 down to a certain point and go back to betting normal. Most people wont hit anything and it favors the casino anyways and the one time someone might get lucky, now they have to beat rogue terms too.

I will not ever play in this casino because of this and I bet alot of people wont. So so so bad.

Since you guys have a max bet safety guard in place, may as well make an a safety guard in case someone bets below your 50% amount
 

colinsunderland

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Hi Colin,

I'm sorry you feel that way. If you look at the term in question you'll notice it states: "increasing your balance after placing high value bets and thereafter proceeding to place bets of less than half of the prior bet value, in order to meet bonus wagering requirements" .

We understand that this bonus term may not be liked by some users, and we genuinely appreciate all feedback relating to this bonus term as replied to in previous posts, we welcome remarks and strive to have all rules as clear as possible.

Re; actual figures of balance amount increase stated:- this has been noted, & we'll inform everyone in the event that this is updated.

Kind Regards,
Lucas

Sorry if I used the word large if it isn't in there, my mistake as I'm not home and hadn't refreshed my memory before posting.
However it is still clear as mud. So does that mean if I deposit 100, get a 100 bonus, so balance is 200, play 2.00 on one game, first spin win 4.00, balance is now 202, then go to another game and play a stake of 0.80, then you will void any winnings?
 

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My apologies for not posting earlier, I was in the States last week and have just returned.

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And the most shocking part is it comes from accredited casino.

seriously how does a place like this get accredited to begin with? a few years ago accredited casinos were actually good casinos with no traps and random stuff, and now we have to read their terms with our lawyer before we start playing there.

tldr: if places like this can keep being accredited it kinda defeats its purpose. imo, of course.

This is one of the reasons why we have the BBF. As mentioned earlier, apparently this was missed by both me and the members here. If we had caught this, then I am sure this term would have been removed or modified before accreditation.

I knew you be only one to put in a defence for a casino.......
Why is it that we can always rely on your trollish comments - an attempt to poison a thread? Hats off to Tirilej to not take the bait and turn this in thread into a tit-for-tat spat. You've been warned plenty of times for this anti-community behavior. If you are trying to be funny or controversial, it's not working. Don't be a jerk.

Losing accreditation over this will never happen. I've once questioned about the rogue-ish terms of one another accredited casino, which I can't remember right now. I believe I was told by the Meister himself that the bonus rules of a casino do not affect whether the casino gets accredited at all...
That's not true. A number of casinos have had their accreditation suspended or removed because of bad bonus terms, (i.e. spirit of the bonus, etc.). So please don't distribute false information about how we deal with bonus terms. Thanks!

Anyway, this is a bad term. And if I had been aware of this earlier, their accreditation would have been held back until it was either removed or made crystal clear. At the moment, this term needs to be either removed or modified.

I remember some time ago a casino manager (Enzo from 3Dice) stated that there was no such thing as bonus abuse - only bad casino math. This term is convoluted, vague, and seemingly unfair. I don't think there is a player here that supports a term like this.
 

Lucas

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Hi lockinlove, thank you, and am happy to be here participating in all discussions.

And we'll be looking into whether we'll need to implement a safety guard for this term as per your suggestion and a couple of other posts reflecting the same feedback.

@ colin - winnings would be voided if the bonus was actually abused and bonus terms indeed breached.

Kind Regards,
Lucas
 

colinsunderland

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Hi lockinlove, thank you, and am happy to be here participating in all discussions.

And we'll be looking into whether we'll need to implement a safety guard for this term as per your suggestion and a couple of other posts reflecting the same feedback.

@ colin - winnings would be voided if the bonus was actually abused and bonus terms indeed breached.

Kind Regards,
Lucas
But in my example the bonus terms would be breached. Have you ever considered a career in politics, as your refusal to answer simple straight questions would be excellent in that scenario
 

SpinUk

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Hi lockinlove, thank you, and am happy to be here participating in all discussions.

And we'll be looking into whether we'll need to implement a safety guard for this term as per your suggestion and a couple of other posts reflecting the same feedback.

@ colin - winnings would be voided if the bonus was actually abused and bonus terms indeed breached.

Kind Regards,
Lucas

Lets not beat around the bush. A safety guard will be impossible to implement unless you give a precise figure for the increase, be it an amount or multiplier of initial deposit.

Which you won’t or can’t. Either way it makes no odds.

As it stand it would look better if you DID state something solid on this, or remove it completely, because it is annihilating your accreditation status and yours and your casino’s credibilty here.
 
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