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Frank Scoblete post on Zero House Edge

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by RedArmy, Mar 7, 2008.

    Mar 7, 2008
  1. RedArmy

    RedArmy Dormant account

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    How scared should i be then? :D

    Discovered a post from casinocitytimes.com

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    What about zero house edge games?
    6 March 2008

    By Frank Scoblete

    Dear Frank,

    I have recently come across an online casino which offers a variety of zero house edge games.

    Below are the zero house edge games which they offer:

    Zero Roulette - removed the zero from the wheel, which means you get true odds on every bet.
    Zero Baccarat - reduced the commission on the banker bet to 2.75 per cent
    Zero Blackjack - pay out 2 - 1 for a suited natural Blackjack and a five-card 21.
    Zero Jacks or Better - With a Royal Flush payout 22 per cent higher (Payout for a Royal Flush on zero Jacks or Better with 5 coins is 4880 compared to 4000 of the normal casino payouts.)
    My first question is, now that the unforgiving house advantage has been removed from these games, is there any way of beating these games in the long run by applying various betting strategies, bet spread, money management rules, etc.? Or would the end result just be a no win-no lose situation, i.e. a push?

    Second, since many or all of the methods and advantage plays brought forth by every gaming author is to minimize the house edge, or in the case of card-counting, to create just a slight edge for the player, wouldn't the introduction of these zero edge games magnify the outcomes brought of those strategies? Or would it make these strategies pointless since we don't even have to fight the house edge?

    Sincerely,
    John

    Hi John:

    Even with a zero house edge no betting strategy, money management system, etc., can make it a positive game. Your expectation is to push over the long haul with the casino.

    However, the real advantage-play methods will work much better on a zero-house-edge game than on one where the house has an edge. I made sure that I didn't publicize the site because my guess is that they are going to get hit hard by advantage players looking to win a load of money.

    For your great email, I am giving you a free one-week subscription to my private members-only web site at You must register/login in order to see the link.. I think you will enjoy this private site as we have many message boards and the conversations are interesting, fun, and educational.

    All the best in and out of the casinos!

    Frank Scoblete



    Feedback very welcome, otherwise i'm shutting down!

    :machinegu

    RedArmy
     
  2. Mar 7, 2008
  3. thenmh

    thenmh Dormant account

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    So what are those "real advantage-play methods" which would work better on zero house edge games ? :what:
     
  4. Mar 7, 2008
  5. RedArmy

    RedArmy Dormant account

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    dunno

    let me register and drop some, then i will tell you :)
     
  6. Mar 7, 2008
  7. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    The only people that have to be worried about Frank Scoblete are the B&M casinos that offer craps :D

    But seriously...the key words here are "over the long run"....nothing to worry about.
     
  8. Mar 8, 2008
  9. KasinoKing

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    Rant (constructive criticism):
    I thought the zero roulette sounded like an excellent idea - and it is!
    So off I went & deposited 50 quid to give it a spin. Was I disappointed? Yes!

    First off the graphics are crap; the wheel is too small and spins way too fast to see the numbers clearly. The actual ball animation is poor. I can't imagine that the graphic artist has ever even seen a real roulette wheel in action!

    But that's not the worst of it; I looked at the bottom of the screen & was delighted to see 10p & 50p chips. "Oh good" I thought "Sensible roulette!". So I placed a number of 10p chips around the table, making sure I met the 2 table minimum & hit 'spin'. It didn't spin - instead an error message said "have not met 1 min on some spots. After a while of gradually increasing bets I realised that this actually means it will not accept ANY bets ANYWHERE on the table which are under 1. Which cretin came up with that ridiculous rule? And why have 10p & 50p chips if you can't use them? :eek2:

    Finally, the table limit is 50. A 50 limit with 1 chips? If it is zero edge over the long run and "Roulette can not be beaten" - why such a low limit? What are you afraid of? :confused:

    Sorry, but this game is shyte. Make it sensible (small bets/higher limit) and entertaining (nice graphics) and maybe people will want to play it.
    /Rant

    KK (Honest as always! ;))
     
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  10. Mar 8, 2008
  11. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    Other Zero house edge games

    There are a few zero house edge games around than the ones at Betfair. I found this game at BetDirect casino. Go to

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    and choose "Hi-Lo Gambler".
     
  12. Aug 3, 2008
  13. Alexishot69

    Alexishot69 Banned User

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    just read this post after coming across an online article written by this guy scoblete reaad this and laugh...

    Meditation is done internally; slot playing is done externally. Go up to your favorite slot machine, put in $20 or $100 or whatever you want and load up the credits. Now hit the spin button. As the reels spin, close your eyes, take a deep breath, exhale; take another breath, exhale and inside your mind say, Ah-ching, which is what you want the machine to dogive you a lot of coins (or paper wins with coin sounds). Now open your eyes and see what has happened.
    Then repeat the process.

    Every spin of the reels is a moment of meditation for you. It is fun because as your eyes are closed and your mind and body are relaxing, Lady Luck , that fickle temptress, is deciding your fate. Its like making love with the lights out, which is what many people do if their spouses are hideous-looking.

    There is a thrill in the midst of your mediation. Each time you open your eyes, you are hoping for a nice win. But regardless of Lady Lucks disposition on any given spin or any given session, using the Scobe Slot Meditation System (SSMS)of course I named it after me!is a great way to do something healthy for yourself as you enjoy those wonderful machines.

    Now the only caveat to this great way of playing the slots is that after awhile you are going to be so rested and so relaxed and so damn healthy that you arent going to want to meditate anymore. That is fine. Give yourself 20 minutes of playing this way each and every session you have on the slot machines. Doing this once, twice or thrice a day will have wonderful effects on your body, mind and bank book. Oh, and, playing this way will slow down your pace and that is also a good thing!

    Frank Scoblete is the #1 best-selling gaming author in America. He is executive director of the Golden Touch advantage-play seminars in craps and blackjack. Looking for great gambling products and gifts? Go to You must register/login in order to see the link.. His websites are You must register/login in order to see the link., You must register/login in order to see the link., and You must register/login in order to see the link. in association with CasinoCity.com. His newest book is The Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution! For more information or a brochure, call 00000000000 or write to Frank Scoblete Enterprises, PO Box 446, Malverne, NY 11565.



    never in my life have i seen so much drivel written by anyone attempting to get people to play slot machines...lol:lolup::lolup::lolup:
     
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  14. Aug 4, 2008
  15. Wisenheimer

    Wisenheimer Dormant account

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    On You must register/login in order to see the link. there's a roulette with no zero on it, and you can bet from 1 all the way to 1000 Euro on red or black. I always put 1.10 on red and 1,00 black, and following Martingale's strategy won 300 Euro this way during the last two weeks. Who says equal odds games aren't profitable?
     
  16. Aug 4, 2008
  17. aka23

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    Martingale strategy is not profitable when you have a non-infinite bankroll. Eventually, you'll have enough sequential losses that you'll be betting your full bankroll. And if you lose that bet...
     
  18. Aug 4, 2008
  19. GaryWatson

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    Zero house edge was a great idea.

    It can be beat, if they offer bonuses on these games but Im sure the sites will have excluded them from their playthroughs.

    As aka says, the streaks will kill anyone following the martingale strategy eventually.

    Zero house edge is great for players and great for the sites IMO. Most people dont play to optimum strategy. I dont no if there is any issue with bots but either way, the player can expect to break even so it is only taking up bandwith.

    Players will move on to other areas and sites will profit. Players play over their bankroll and usually go bust even with the 50/50 chance.

    I think its good all round. Players have a better chance of cashing out but the sites still make more through an increase in traffic. I like the idea
     
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  20. Aug 6, 2008
  21. funky_seagull

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    :eek2: I hope your were just playing for fun KK
     
  22. Aug 12, 2008
  23. Grey

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    In any case the games with equal odds ( the name of Betvoyager Online casino) and Zero House edge games( Betfair casino) is better than ones without them.
    Not clearly why at Betfair limits differ for usual games?

    But Betvoyager does not change limits for games with equal odds.
     

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