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If I can just chip in here - not aimed at any specific poster - but I think a lot of what is said here and in other threads, well its not *what* someone says, but the way in which they say it.

In the majority of cases, people are banned from forums, become disliked, attract conflict or lose the respect of others without realising that this is the reason. You often see posts from banned posters on other forums saying they were banned because they said something out of turn, when in fact it was how they said it and more often than not, their lack of respect for other people's opinions.

If everyone took on the philosophy of reading their own posts back putting themselves in a) the recipients position and b) a casual observer's position, they would probably recognise the antagonism a lot easier and the quality of posts, debates and even arguments would become a whole lot better and would also probably achieve more.

It's human nature to think that you're right and the other guy's wrong. It's how you negotiate that obstacle that determines the end result.

It's like the phrase "the customer is always right". We all know that's bollocks but it's misinterpreted. What it means is "the customer needs to think they are always right". The same principle applies in most conversations where there are conflicting opinions and if your aim is to get something from the other person, or to get them to alter their opinion, you often need to present a case in a way which they feel means that they don't lose face.

The best place to start: read your posts back before you post them and see how you would react if it was aimed at you.

End of chip-in. Carry on campers :D

Cheers

Simmo!
 
I'm surprised at your lack of support.
I'm surprised that this was allowed to go on...
I'm surprised that this is what is allowed to happen in a society forum - where we have all been.
I'm surprised NO ONE - not ONE of you stepped in to say - Guys - this is enough.
Guys this is ENOUGH!
To be fair, this all "kicked off" late yesterday when I only briefly saw a few posts, then I was out today until about an hour ago and on checking now it seems you made something like 30 posts (?) in that time!
You SERIOUSLY need to turn your PC off for a few hours & calm down a bit.
You're just posting the same things over & over again - you need a break!

For the record, I support what you are saying about Tradition casino; They screwed up, they admitted it, they apologised and they appear to be trying their best to put everything right. They are not rogued - only not recommended, which are two different things.

I think when it sinks it what they've done to affiliates though you will drop them like a hot potato; They screwed up, they admitted it, they refused to apologize and their attitude is just "tough - live with it".

Now turn-off and chill - PLEASE! ;)

KK
 
Guys this is ENOUGH!
To be fair, this all "kicked off" late yesterday when I only briefly saw a few posts, then I was out today until about an hour ago and on checking now it seems you made something like 30 posts (?) in that time!
You SERIOUSLY need to turn your PC off for a few hours & calm down a bit.
You're just posting the same things over & over again - you need a break!

For the record, I support what you are saying about Tradition casino; They screwed up, they admitted it, they apologised and they appear to be trying their best to put everything right. They are not rogued - only not recommended, which are two different things.

I think when it sinks it what they've done to affiliates though you will drop them like a hot potato; They screwed up, they admitted it, they refused to apologize and their attitude is just "tough - live with it".

Now turn-off and chill - PLEASE! ;)

KK

KK - this isn't just about Tradition. Sorry - it went way beyond that and started with Wannabet - to 3dice then Tradition affiliate.

You seem to forget that I DO have friends in different forums in different places... That MIGHT mention "SNIDE" comments that were made in reflection about me.

Ask those involved directly what they might have said to someone else OFF CM...

Oh - and let's not play games KK - like I said this isn't high school - and I AM very verbose

And while I may sometimes "sound" high handed or whatver because I post A LOT of words at once... I'm not that way - and Those of you who have KNOWN me for almost a decade know that.

No people - sorry - this WAS a DELIBERATE attack.

Tradition was just used as a vehicle...

Hmmmm shall we say I point out just ONE post to prove my point?

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Wager Witch,

Have you ever wondered why more folks do not thank your posts? They are full of too darn many words, and too many of them are out of line or do not make sense. In more than one way, in some of them.

"If you know ANYTHING about manipulation - these words are a classic example of someone throwing a temper tantrum."

For example, this quote of yours above is pretty much what you do in far too many of your long winded posts, yet you feel it is your duty to do the same thing? Just because you are saccharine sweet and use tons of LOL's, and you change size and color in your posts, you are still doing the same thing. You are shaking your finger at people like they are five years old, IMO.

I know I am going to be told I am doing the same thing!

I am not part of a "clique" here or any clubs here, shoot, I barely have any friends here. But I beg you, get help with your posting style, either from all your friends here or at GG. I do know I can NOT be the only one that feels like this, although I am speaking only for myself? I am sure I will find out! )


Read it again.... READ IT.

Now - really KK... Are you putting on your blinders for a reason?

What?

Because it is OK for a FORUM member to go around beating up people - because why??? Because it looks so good? Because the popcorn is refreshing - because it's so entertaining?

WHAT?

No matter what - I have NEVER cut down people PERSONALLY - I have been upset with people for their words and their actions - but never BULLIED them.

I'm sorry - again - YOU GUYS have known me for years.


I have always and WILL always probably be long winded. Sorry - I apologize for your eyes already.

But I am no PERSON to be stepped on and abused readily over and over.

Personally - I think it's simply because of the Wannabet post I mae - and then rushed upward in an attempt to find a way to get even... It seems that is the mode of attack - and how it has always happened.

Spend a couple hours and do the damn research yourself.

Hell - YOU HAVE SEEN IT YOURSELF time and time again.

Give me a break.

I plan on taking time off - but not until you GET it through your head that this type of behavior is NOT OK.

No one should be treated like that.

EVER.

It is NOT JUSTIFIABLE ever.
 
In other words

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT BECAUSE OF THIS BEHAVIOR?
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR FEELINGS HURT BECAUSE OF THIS BEHAVIOR?
HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T POST BECAUSE OF THIS BEHAVIOR?
HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T BOTHER TO SIGN UP BECAUSE OF THIS BEHAVIOR?

How does that affect the bottom dollar at CasinoMeister?
How does that affect the CasinoMeister Credibility?

How does that affect YOU?
 
Wait - hold on...

Maybe here would be a better QUESTION:

DO YOU THINK THE TREATMENT DISPLAYED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE TOWARDS ME WAS WARRANTED, JUSTIFIED OR NECESSARY?
 
Wait - hold on...

Maybe here would be a better QUESTION:

DO YOU THINK THE TREATMENT DISPLAYED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE TOWARDS ME WAS WARRANTED, JUSTIFIED OR NECESSARY?




With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plea; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost.
William Lloyd Garrison


Laurie
 
With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plea; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost.
William Lloyd Garrison


Laurie

Aye Laurie - that is a beautiful statement.

Unfortunately - I'm sitting here pleading with people to PLEASE - PLEASE - PLEASE open their eyes - their hearts and be honest.
 
Aye Laurie - that is a beautiful statement.

Unfortunately - I'm sitting here pleading with people to PLEASE - PLEASE - PLEASE open their eyes - their hearts and be honest.


Not to derail but to make a statement


The statement above was wriiten by William Lloyd Garrison who also pleaded with people to change their minds and open their hearts in a paper he published before forums and online gambling wasnt even 200 years from being.

He argued and pleaded, even spent time in jail and had a bounty on his head at one time, he bacame a well respected pioneer in anti slavery rights and the rights of women.

If anyone can read those words and grasp what he is saying, well it fits here perfectly today as well as when it was first published so long ago, time and people change, words dont.

The meaning, the way i read it in todays use:

(1) I will state my opinion to the forum and hope they see both sides.

(2) I will plea to those that are fair and balanced on a forum.

(3) I will not give in to those that want to over power me with their own personal agendas that i dont agree with in my heart and know is right for all.

(4) I will not waste my time on any issue where my words wont be heard in a unbiased forum, for surely it wont be debated open and fairly .
 
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Pina - if you think it wasn't about me - either you're playing games and crying foul or you inadvertently brought this up during the same time the other thread got derailed and it was a VERY BIG Coinkydink.

Again WW, nothing to do with you personally. BB28 made a post asking a GENERAL question (in your thread) about affiliates who promote rogue casinos...and off you went. You made it about you, it's never been about you only. This particular thread has been here for weeks...and I bumped it because the discussion going on in the other one (yours) seemed more appropriate here, as it DIDN'T CONCERN JUST YOU!! Jeezus...you got that yet?

There is a forum rule 4.4, which is basically what bb28 was talking about in her original post..but had obviously forgotten about this thread here. If she had posted here instead, asking her question...would it still have been about you?

Everytime that you or any other webmaster/affiliate makes a post on this forum..if they have a CLICKABLE link in their signature....they are ADVERTISING for their site. And possibly getting clickthroughs to their site, FROM THIS MEMBERSHIP.

That gives us, the players, the right to question who you (or anyone) promote on that site....if they are a (known) rogue casino. If you don't want to be questioned, REMOVE THE LINK!! What part of that don't you get?

Fact is...if you hadn't jumped in all hell bent on "defending" yourself (from what, I don't know)....it would never have become so focused on you. You were asked about Tradition, and it would have been left at the answer you gave, about not getting to your site for a week or whatever. You were the one who decided that no one here had the right to question you or any other affiliate, for who they promote. As this thread proves, that is not the case.

It was derailed DELIBERATELY - and specifically after the Wannabet post and the 3dice post... and brought to forefront during the Affiliate post...

You really need to give your head a shake...because I don't even know which Wannabet post you're referring to. I made a few in that thread. Jasminebed had asked for info...and a few people chimed in with different things, myself included. Sorry if someone didn't like what I posted.

As to the 3Dice one, think I posted once..that I thought you had gone a bit apeshit on the OP, that's all. Difference of opinion on how the original post had been read.

The only derail I did here was to answer someone who loves to "troll" my posts, and post his smartass replies about how I (and anyone who I may know) abuse the thanking system. Considering what I posted, that's gotta be about the biggest hypocritical statement I've ever read.

And WW, you implied that I "knew" you. I don't know you, nor do I want to. We have never exchanged emails, PM's, phone calls, nothing of the sort. So why would you say something like that...implying, I don't even know what.

This topic was, and is, about affiliates who promote known rogues. If you fit into that category, then be prepared to take the heat that comes with it. And that means ANY affiliate. It's never been just about you WW. You really need to go back and read everything again. The only one who made it about you, was you.

Gimme a couple weeks, and I guarantee that affiliates who promote shitholes, are gonna like me a WHOLE lot less. That's a promise.
 
Again WW, nothing to do with you personally. BB28 made a post asking a GENERAL question (in your thread) about affiliates who promote rogue casinos...and off you went. You made it about you, it's never been about you only. This particular thread has been here for weeks...and I bumped it because the discussion going on in the other one (yours) seemed more appropriate here, as it DIDN'T CONCERN JUST YOU!! Jeezus...you got that yet?

There is a forum rule 4.4, which is basically what bb28 was talking about in her original post..but had obviously forgotten about this thread here. If she had posted here instead, asking her question...would it still have been about you?

Everytime that you or any other webmaster/affiliate makes a post on this forum..if they have a CLICKABLE link in their signature....they are ADVERTISING for their site. And possibly getting clickthroughs to their site, FROM THIS MEMBERSHIP.

That gives us, the players, the right to question who you (or anyone) promote on that site....if they are a (known) rogue casino. If you don't want to be questioned, REMOVE THE LINK!! What part of that don't you get?

Fact is...if you hadn't jumped in all hell bent on "defending" yourself (from what, I don't know)....it would never have become so focused on you. You were asked about Tradition, and it would have been left at the answer you gave, about not getting to your site for a week or whatever. You were the one who decided that no one here had the right to question you or any other affiliate, for who they promote. As this thread proves, that is not the case.



You really need to give your head a shake...because I don't even know which Wannabet post you're referring to. I made a few in that thread. Jasminebed had asked for info...and a few people chimed in with different things, myself included. Sorry if someone didn't like what I posted.

As to the 3Dice one, think I posted once..that I thought you had gone a bit apeshit on the OP, that's all. Difference of opinion on how the original post had been read.

The only derail I did here was to answer someone who loves to "troll" my posts, and post his smartass replies about how I (and anyone who I may know) abuse the thanking system. Considering what I posted, that's gotta be about the biggest hypocritical statement I've ever read.

And WW, you implied that I "knew" you. I don't know you, nor do I want to. We have never exchanged emails, PM's, phone calls, nothing of the sort. So why would you say something like that...implying, I don't even know what.

This topic was, and is, about affiliates who promote known rogues. If you fit into that category, then be prepared to take the heat that comes with it. And that means ANY affiliate. It's never been just about you WW. You really need to go back and read everything again. The only one who made it about you, was you.

Gimme a couple weeks, and I guarantee that affiliates who promote shitholes, are gonna like me a WHOLE lot less. That's a promise.

I think you could approach it a whole lot differently.

Instead of launching an attack... you could have come to me and talked to me.

THAT IS WHAT FRIENDS DO.

And sorry - I don't buy your story about it NOT BEING ABOUT ME.

SORRY - I can read.

I can read the words and I can read between the lines - and I've heard some of the comments made off site.

I've also seen you attack other people in what you felt was justified response... Always staying within the boundaries of forum rules - and TOUTING the forum rules as your savior.

It's still BASHING... It's like a policeman who wears a badge and roughs up the crooks.

Sure they're crooks - but does that police officer have the RIGHT to rough them up? NO.

And what makes YOU exempt from the rules?

You know full well you could have come to me and discussed it openly - but you unleashed a war.

WHO ARE YOU TO UNLEASH A WAR ON THIS SITE?

Against anyone? Even affiliates?

Did CM promote you to a special position?
Are you getting paid by casinos to promote them and demote others?

I think if you look back at several months worth of posts - you've found a crusade which you can underhandedly act and everyone feels it is justified because the end result is either the affiliate is swept under the carpet - or you get your way.

Or the other people leave - HENCE YOU WIN.

Yes - you know me - we've read each other's posts for how many years now?

We know people in the same circles for how many years now?

Don't play games with me like that.... That's absolutely silly.

AND having other people work with you to play games too - that's just silly.

I'm tired of this - I'm going to bed - but just know this Pina... I respected you - and had a lot of belief that you usually did the right thing...

But I don't know anymore - your words - your attitude that you are holier than thou... that it's OK to treat people like dog meat...

It's like that cop who kicks the burglar when he's handcuffed on the ground...

It's very interesting...

But I don't know how you've managed it...

I take it you've been running this board for quite some time without other people knowing it - and running off whomever you chose to do so.

At least - that is how it feels right now... And that may simply be because my damn feelings are hurt that you couldn't even BOTHER to come and talk to me before all of this started.
 
For the record, I support what you are saying about Tradition casino; They screwed up, they admitted it, they apologised and they appear to be trying their best to put everything right. They are not rogued- only not recommended, which are two different things.
I once again (with an affy) beg to differ:rolleyes:. Maybe I do not understand the semantics.:rolleyes: That said, agendas are crystal clear.

[post=356485]TRADITION IS IN THE CM ROGUE PIT PER CASINOMEISTER[/post]

Per Bryan aka Casinomeister:

" As for this issue - Tradition's support = trip to the rogue pit."

Off to read the prior new posts in this thread and then bang my head against the wall. I'll meet you there.:D
 
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The only derail I did here was to answer someone who loves to "troll" my posts, and post his very smart (as usual) replies about how I (and anyone who I may know) abuse the thanking system. Considering what I posted, that's gotta be about the biggest hypocritical statement I've ever read, until that is, I took the time to gloss over my own work with all of my hypocritical statements.



Oh, I get it. It's me versus you and a large contingent of this site. Way to stand on your own two feet.



Steed


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That gives us, the players, the right to question who you (or anyone) promote on that site....if they are a (known) rogue casino. If you don't want to be questioned, REMOVE THE LINK!! What part of that don't you get?
NOTE this:

I also PROMOTE CasinoMeister PROMINENTLY on my site.

So - what is your REAL point?

That you're the police for the CASINOMEISTER forum?


OK - this is NOT personal - I was looking something up - and found this picture - and it said FORUM Police on it - and I thought it was a little funny... So I am posting it.

I want everyone to know that this IS NOT ABOUT PINA... This is just something I found and since """" I """" was talking about forum policing - and this happened to pop up.... well I thought it would be funny to share it...

FORUM_POLICE.jpg
 
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But it will be if you use this thread to point fingers at one another. :p

Like Simmo said, PMing members is the way to go on this. Sometimes webmasters have their reasons for promoting these properties. Simmo and I occasionally check out the linked webmaster sites via sigs and give heads up to webmasters who are violating the 4.4 policy. We don't get around to it as often as we should.

PMing... hmmm something Bryan said - methinks.
 
Closing this thread. It's going nowhere except for bickering over ground covered in other recent threads.
 
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