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Never mind the countless threads here and other places about all the times that this group of shithouses screw people over. As long as it doesn't personally affect you, you aren't concerned about it

I'd take a guess that every webmaster that is promoting these clip joints, are standing in line with matches to burn Grand Prive` for screwing them over.

But they expect players to boycott all casinos operated by this group. Why?
Ironically because Grand Prive` Group has been labeled as rogues.

Yet they disrespect their site visitors (casino players) by dressing these sh!t holes up using catch phrases like "most trusted casino for USA players"...ect...ect.

Yet knowing these clip joints are listed on numerous blacklists because they owe legitimate players millions of dollars in unpaid winnings!

I can assure every player here at CM, affiliate webmasters that promote these rogue casinos, subscribe to double standards, and are the biggest affiliate hypocrites when it comes to looking after their own asses.

Accountability, integrity and just plain human empathy for players getting shafted, mean nothing to these type of affiliates.

As an affiliate webmaster who has been in the industry since 2000, it sickens me to see casino players getting screwed over by not only these rogue casinos but the scum bags who promote them.

You just have to read these type of threads here at CM and the response given by affiliates who have busted promoting these sh!t holes, to realise these affiliates don't give a toss about players, they are only concerned with what goes into their pockets.

Every time I stand up and say something (at the GPWA or other affiliate forums) about their unethical business practices of promoting these rogue casinos, I get jumped on, accused of being the morality police...ect...ect

It comes down to being told (in no uncertain terms) by the posse what is it of your business who they promote.

So yes bb28 your spot on with the view that all affiliates who promote rogues casinos hold onto one sole belief, it's all about me; myself and I.
And if it doesn't affect their cash flow, casino players are just numbers in their stats.



Cheers

:)

Dave
 
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how these affiliates can actually keep a straight face when they say, I have no complaints from any of my players, so I will keep promoting them.

The no complaints is possibly true given:
  • Not too many affiliates list their email address or have a contact form
  • Even if you could complain, would you. The site has shafted you by promoting crocks. I know I wouldn't hand over my email.

And of the rogue affiliates that promote these sh!t holes on their forums...If anyone does complain they get ignored. Or if they make waves the MODS jump all over the players ass, dish them a barrage of personal insults and then ban them.

However all these are moot points because every single rogue affiliate that promotes these clip joints is well aware they are blacklisted throughout the net.

And even if they do get complaints, they're not going to admit it because it's pretty obvious they are morally bankrupt because they promote rogue online casinos.


Cheers

:)

Dave
 
thank you all for this very enlightening read on the topic
i wish that all affiliates follow this guideline, i do however understand that even rogue casinos must be "good" to certain players, who also happen to be an affiliate, so that they keep a cash flow running.
so i can imagine that some really have the idea they arent all that bad.
i mean if EVERYBODY would not get paid, and talk bad about them, how on earth could they have survived so long?
so this means they very well know how to pick a certain player (which happens to be an afilliate, and who happens to also gamble for 500 a week or month) to be good to.
i dont think thats a coincedence, ant i dont want to imply cbg is in on that, au contraire, i think he/she really feels the way he /she posts.
but this means that they give themselves an opening to a new market.
well new for them.
so the tactics are, rename/rebrand/promise this and that, be good to this and those player(s), then there will be loads of new regs, deposits etc.
seems quite logical in a way...
in the worst scenario for them, they can always dissapear again, or sell w/e
right?
 
In re: the ongoing discussion in the Affiliate/Webmaster section regarding advertisment of rogue casinos...just wanted to bump this topic again....as it is directly related. It's not really a question of IF a webmaster should promote the casinos listed in the rogue section...but the fact that there IS a rule regarding it:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

4.4 - Linked Websites

The linked pages must not advertise casinos listed in the Rogue Pit. If Casinomeister subsequently rogues a casino, a webmaster is not obligated to remove that casino but will seriously consider its positioning.

And again, I would say that if the affiliates who put a link to their sites in their signatures don't like the rule...then remove the signature/link. You can promote whoever you choose, that is your decision. But don't expect to NOT be called on it, when you "advertise" your site, everytime you make a post.
 
Thanks Pina........if I had half a brain, I would have remembered this rule. :D
 
Thanks Pina........if I had half a brain, I would have remembered this rule. :D

That's okay Bonita, you have 1/3, Nash has 1/3 and I have 1/3. Together we are whole. :laugh:
 
With this - there should be a clarification about ROGUE - NOT RECOMMENDED - and etc.

Because to me Rogue is Rogue - not recommended is not recommended play at your own risk.. But there is a chance at salvation. Etc. etc.

Sorry - maybe I'm wrong - but that's how I always viewed it.

And it doesn't even matter - I can't touch my fricken site for about a week to a week and a half.
 
IMO, that whole page:

https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

is considered the rogue PIT. It's broken down into different categories ie. Rogue Casinos, Not Recommended Casinos, Bumblings Blunders and Negligence, Dungeon of Evil, Evil Software Providers, etc. But it is all part of the "Rogue" section.

Of course, people can view it however it suits their needs. But rogue is rogue. Varying degrees of rogue perhaps, but still rogue. When Bryan sent Tradition to the rogue pit...he didn't post and say that due to software and support issues, he was putting them on the Not Recommended List....he said he was sending them to the Rogue Pit. It's all the same...and to say different is splitting hairs.

So again, I'll say to webmasters who don't want to get involved in this debate...why not just remove the link in your signature? It seems a pretty simple solution. Don't advertise your site, and you can promote whoever you like and no one who posts here, will say a word. Voila!!
 
IMO, that whole page:

https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

is considered the rogue PIT. It's broken down into different categories ie. Rogue Casinos, Not Recommended Casinos, Bumblings Blunders and Negligence, Dungeon of Evil, Evil Software Providers, etc. But it is all part of the "Rogue" section.

Of course, people can view it however it suits their needs. But rogue is rogue. Varying degrees of rogue perhaps, but still rogue. When Bryan sent Tradition to the rogue pit...he didn't post and say that due to software and support issues, he was putting them on the Not Recommended List....he said he was sending them to the Rogue Pit. It's all the same...and to say different is splitting hairs.

So again, I'll say to webmasters who don't want to get involved in this debate...why not just remove the link in your signature? It seems a pretty simple solution. Don't advertise your site, and you can promote whoever you like and no one who posts here, will say a word. Voila!!

Hmmmm - I don't see it like that at all.

I see it as:

DON'T GO HERE:

These guys are currently not being great - but have said they are working on it - give the benefit of the doubt.

Bad software (cheating)

and so on.

BEING VERY LITERAL

Maybe Bryan could supplement it and explain it - to clarify this.
 
IMO, that whole page:

https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

is considered the rogue PIT. It's broken down into different categories ie. Rogue Casinos, Not Recommended Casinos, Bumblings Blunders and Negligence, Dungeon of Evil, Evil Software Providers, etc. But it is all part of the "Rogue" section.

Of course, people can view it however it suits their needs. But rogue is rogue. Varying degrees of rogue perhaps, but still rogue. When Bryan sent Tradition to the rogue pit...he didn't post and say that due to software and support issues, he was putting them on the Not Recommended List....he said he was sending them to the Rogue Pit. It's all the same...and to say different is splitting hairs.

So again, I'll say to webmasters who don't want to get involved in this debate...why not just remove the link in your signature? It seems a pretty simple solution. Don't advertise your site, and you can promote whoever you like and no one who posts here, will say a word. Voila!!
I have seen that link before.:thumbsup: This post is a rude and personal attack,OK!!:D...FML!
 
Maybe Bryan could supplement it and explain it - to clarify this.

Maybe, but he's away for the next day or two so it'll have to wait.
 
Maybe, but he's away for the next day or two so it'll have to wait.

Thanks Max...

I mean - why have separate listings?

I mean - shouldn't they all just be ROGUE - if they are ROGUE?

I'm very literal.. sorry.
 
Originally posted by johnsteed

When someone points out 'Forum Rule 4.4', they're doing so with only the best intentions. When people thank each other in the same thread, like 20 times, it's not that they're working together and simply thanking each other and then reading what the other has said later on - if at all - it's that they're promoting the right way of doing things.

You *bleep* nutjob...seeing as this is a thread about forum rules...let's count how many you've broken since your "comeback".

1.9 - Do not register an account fraudulently. Fraudulent accounts are defined as accounts created specifically to flame others (hiding behind a mask of anonymity), or accounts opened primarily to spam the board or to act as shills. Do not register more than one account in the forum. Additional accounts will be deemed as bogus, and you may find yourself out on the sidewalk lying on your back staring at the stars. If you share a computer with another member (boyfriend, girlfriend, pet goldfish...), please let us know so that we won't suspect you of being dodgy.

You not only posted as DarthVader back in the day, but just prior to returning as Johnsteed, you were Crackpotbaby...which account was created "it seems" to take potshots at those who you personally don't like.

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language.

This little gem of a post was directed at me and me alone. I should have answered it back then, but thought maybe you'd gotten whatever psychosis affects you out of your system. I guess not. Your post pretty much does all of the above ie. harass, insult, belittle and flame.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/whats-the-problem-with-me.32753/

What makes it all the more funny, is that just a couple of days ago, there was a post in the P4K thread that was deleted as it was considered "overly antagonistic". Hmmm...not sure what this post of yours should be seen as...overly friendly?

And in the first quote in this post, you're implying that there's some sort of "abuse" of the thanking system going on, by those of us who happen to agree with each other. Didn't realize that sharing the same viewpoint was a crime. And seeing as Roanan was initially given a two day suspension for "misuse/abuse of the repping system", maybe someone can tell me wtf this is? If this isn't abuse and misuse of the repping system, I don't what is. Adn to top it all off, he then proceeded to report the very same posts he thanked, because I used the word "asshole" in one. It scares me to think that someone would sit here for hours...searching all my posts, thanking them, reporting them, taking my avatar and modifying it...and so on...and this same person professes to teach children.

There is something seriously wrong with you...more than a few fries short of a happy meal. What I'd like to know is why you can have multiple accounts, abuse the thanking system, and flame people (especially myself in this particular case)...but this is all okay? And then you have the nerve to make some snarky comments that myself, or anyone else, who wants to see the right thing done....has any ulterior motives, besides just doing the right thing. You sir, are certifiable. And it doesn't seem that trying to handle things privately (and the proper way) has any effect at all.

Pics are of my User CP, btw:
 
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You *bleep* nutjob...seeing as this is a thread about forum rules...let's count how many you've broken since your "comeback".



You not only posted as DarthVader back in the day, but just prior to returning as Johnsteed, you were Crackpotbaby...which account was created "it seems" to take potshots at those who you personally don't like.



This little gem of a post was directed at me and me alone. I should have answered it back then, but thought maybe you'd gotten whatever psychosis affects you out of your system. I guess not. Your post pretty much does all of the above ie. harass, insult, belittle and flame.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/whats-the-problem-with-me.32753/

What makes it all the more funny, is that just a couple of days ago, there was a post in the P4K thread that was deleted as it was considered "overly antagonistic". Hmmm...not sure what this post of yours should be seen as...overly friendly?

And in the first quote in this post, you're implying that there's some sort of "abuse" of the thanking system going on, by those of us who happen to agree with each other. Didn't realize that sharing the same viewpoint was a crime. And seeing as Roanan was initially given a two day suspension for "misuse/abuse of the repping system", maybe someone can tell me wtf this is? If this isn't abuse and misuse of the repping system, I don't what is. Adn to top it all off, he then proceeded to report the very same posts he thanked, because I used the word "asshole" in one. It scares me to think that someone would sit here for hours...searching all my posts, thanking them, reporting them, taking my avatar and modifying it...and so on...and this same person professes to teach children.

There is something seriously wrong with you...more than a few fries short of a happy meal. What I'd like to know is why you can have multiple accounts, abuse the thanking system, and flame people (especially myself in this particular case)...but this is all okay? And then you have the nerve to make some snarky comments that myself, or anyone else, who wants to see the right thing done....has any ulterior motives, besides just doing the right thing. You sir, are certifiable. And it doesn't seem that trying to handle things privately (and the proper way) has any effect at all.

Pics are of my User CP, btw:

WOW- Pina why did you use this thread from the Affiliate thread - if there was NO Direct connection - and you indeed were not harassing me?

Pina - as a suggestion only - and as a very polite request - PLEASE let this all drop OK?

I did something - as you asked.

NOT BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME NICELY - but because you were not very nice.

But I'm not playing games with you - and I don't think that what you're doing is very appropriate.

I have ALWAYS liked you - and I think this post is not cool - from you.
 
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In my defense...



- I have no problem with 'RobWin', so don't try to create one.



- I also don't have a problem with 'Roanan', so don't try to create one there either.



- I also have no problems with 'Jod', or with 'Nash'.



- While I might not necessarily agree with everyone, I don't dislike them based on their opinions, or how they understand something differently. I don't appreciate it when others make a habit of stepping on other people's toes though.



- I was warned by Bryan, in fact, I think that quite a few members privately didn't appreciate what I had said. As you can see, no one applauded that particular post. Quite a few members that I respect, lost respect for me stemming from what I had said. I think that only until recently, they're okay with me again.



- I 'over-thanked' you, in frustration of what you do to others. I was warned not to do that, and I stopped.



- 'DarthVader' was an old account that hasn't been used for years. Was I really attacking anyone there? :confused: The account is dormant, and hardly controversial.



- 'Crackpotbaby' was created just because I wanted to lurk again. The title sounds like a knock on you, but it's the name of a song by 'L7' that I happen to really like. The only reason I took a shot, was in defense of 'silc'. That post was pointing out the good points of someone, while indirectly taking veiled shots at another. I never said anyone's name, so it's interesting that you quickly realized it was about you. The account was closed the moment I made my 'comeback'.



- I do teach children, so yes, I have a job.



- I didn't modify your avatar, it was a completely new one.



- I did warn the mods about the curse word you had used, but it was because I was making a point that you have one of the biggest potty mouths on the site. Anyway, aren't you notorious for pointing out the wrong doings at this site, by alerting the mods? I did it just the one time. Besides, the irony here is that I was doing it in retaliation because you had done so to me on a couple of occasions prior to that.



- I believe I'm on good terms with a solid number of people, and I don't have a history of attacking other members. I know that everyone won't like me, and that's that. If Bryan didn't suspend my account, and he could have, it's probably because I have a long history of not going after anyone (outlined in the link you've provided). I've defended myself and others (right or wrong), but I can't recall taking shots at anyone out of the blue, and I don't need to go to another forum to do so. Looking at your track record, to be fair, can you say the same?



- While you're trying to project that the Casinomeister lets me get away with murder, he never took any of it lightly. He was deeply disappointed by those posts (that you mentioned), as he should have been from someone in his position.





Steed


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But I'm not playing games with you - and I don't think that what you're doing is very appropriate.

I have ALWAYS liked you - and I think this post is not cool - from you.

What's not appropriate WW, is that I'm not allowed to have MY opinion, just like everyone else...without having to go through that crap. Do you think THAT is appropriate?

I am dead set against affiliates promoting rogue casinos...I have no other motivations, besides trying to convince people (players and affiliates)to do the right thing. What I am sick to death of, is being accused of ganging up on people when I state my opinion, accused of abusing the "rep" system...how ironic is that, from someone who sat for OVER AN HOUR, searching all my posts to thank and nominate them...only to turn around and then report some of those same posts?

I don't abuse the system...I thank people's posts who I agree with, or whose viewpoint I share, end of story. And I'm sick of double standards. If someone is banned/suspended/warned for abusing the rep system..that should go for ALL. And harrassment is harassment, plain and simple. And I'm sick of it.

They can ban/suspend me from here, whatever....but what is fair for one, should be fair for all. I don't troll other's posts, just waiting to pounce on them. I comment on posts which relate to topics I'm personally interested in.

I don't need some psycho following me around, cause he doesn't like what I post. Too bad.
 
What's not appropriate WW, is that I'm not allowed to have MY opinion, just like everyone else...without having to go through that crap. Do you think THAT is appropriate?

I am dead set against affiliates promoting rogue casinos...I have no other motivations, besides trying to convince people (players and affiliates)to do the right thing. What I am sick to death of, is being accused of ganging up on people when I state my opinion, accused of abusing the "rep" system...how ironic is that, from someone who sat for OVER AN HOUR, searching all my posts to thank and nominate them...only to turn around and then report some of those same posts?

I don't abuse the system...I thank people's posts who I agree with, or whose viewpoint I share, end of story. And I'm sick of double standards. If someone is banned/suspended/warned for abusing the rep system..that should go for ALL. And harrassment is harassment, plain and simple. And I'm sick of it.

They can ban/suspend me from here, whatever....but what is fair for one, should be fair for all. I don't troll other's posts, just waiting to pounce on them. I comment on posts which relate to topics I'm personally interested in.

I don't need some psycho following me around, cause he doesn't like what I post. Too bad.

Pina the ONLY problem with this "THEORY" is that you know me...

AND most everyone here does.

AND you know damn well you could have taken a moment - politely pm'd me - or held a decent discussion with me.

You didn't NEED to play all these "mafia" strong arm - let's flame and roast you on the forum.

Cause if that's what it's about - you're no better then.

In fact - if that is how you're operating - you're doing something FAR FAR worse than trying to help the affiliate industry - or helping forum politics.

You are instead feeding the flame of hatred and anger.

You know me well enough to know that if you had come to me and talked like a friend I would have ABSOLUTELY talked with you.

YOU know me well enough to know I listen and gladly exchange conversation.

Instead you hurried to blackball and treat me like crap. And trust me - it wasn't very nice to feel until I figured it all out - reading old posts - and putting all the other flame wars together - and watching how people have been treated.

I do NOT deserve that kind of treatment - not from you - not from ANYONE.

Sorry Pina - I'm disappointed in you for that.
 
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Sorry Pina - I'm disappointed in you for that.

Oh well...I'm crushed. :rolleyes:

Newsflash...if I wanted to make friends, I'd spend my time at a handicrafts or recipe forum. This is a subject (gambling) that I happen to be passionate about. Actually, I spend some time at a movie/tv show forum...and it's a totally different ballgame. It's not a controversial topic, in comparison to gaming. But then no one there is being asked to spend money at different establishments, and there is no advertising on it either. Very NON controversial/confrontational.

Honestly WW, did you read all of this thread...trust me, you were not the only one "singled out" on this topic. Gamtrak has been through it, Topboss was asked to remove the rogues on her site (and did), and I think Casinobonusguy also answered in this thread...but preferred to not remove the rogues. This thread was not directed at you solely...and neither was the other one. Your original thread got derailed..sorry. And this thread was started for the sole purpose of addressing the issue of links in signatures at this forum...when those same links lead back to casinos on the rogue list.

It's not about you...it's about any webmaster/affiliate who chooses to promote rogues, and link to their sites on this forum. Period.
 
Oh well...I'm crushed. :rolleyes:

Honestly WW, did you read all of this thread...trust me, you were not the only one "singled out" on this topic. Gamtrak has been through it, Topboss was asked to remove the rogues on her site (and did), and I think Casinobonusguy also answered in this thread...but preferred to not remove the rogues. This thread was not directed at you solely...and neither was the other one. Your original thread got derailed..sorry. And this thread was started for the sole purpose of addressing the issue of links in signatures at this forum...when those same links lead back to casinos on the rogue list.

It's not about you...it's about any webmaster/affiliate who chooses to promote rogues, and link to their sites on this forum. Period.

Pina - if you think it wasn't about me - either you're playing games and crying foul or you inadvertently brought this up during the same time the other thread got derailed and it was a VERY BIG Coinkydink.

I don't think it was a coincidence.

I think you honestly believe it is your GOD GIVEN right to pounce on ANYONE and EVERYONE who might be promoting a casino that is here on a list... Which we don't know the meaning behind the literal terms yet.

I'm disappointed in you - not for being on a crusade... But the way you are going about it.

YOU are DELIBERATELY starting war.

You could have - at any time - pm'd me and just talked to me.

You could have helped point out the facts - and the links - instead of being so "RIGHTEOUS" about it.

Does that make any sense?

It isn't your opinion. Everyone here knows me.

But I don't have to KOW TOW to YOU...

If I want a casino on my site - it is NOT YOUR BUSINESS.

What is MY business - and MY belief is that I handle it with integrity and Honor.

And I'll tell you what... I believe that I am.

But you screaming about this is ONLY turning people away from CM.

Instead - try using your infinite knowledge - use your skills and your intelligence... talk to people... SHARE.... Be kind... BE GENTLE...

Cause you will catch more flies with honey than with this Mafia attitude.

You can be GREAT Pina - I've seen it - and I know it.

Instead of Attacking - try teaching.

Instead of hatred - why not friendship?

You could have at ANY time come to me and posted to me - or PMd me - or pulled me aside at 3dice during the tourney or ANYTHING --- and you know it.

Instead - this was what I believed to be a planned and thought out attack - because you jumped on a CRUSADE wagon.

Nothing more than that.

About you and John - I don't know.

But what I do know is that your response was so far out of line - and so wrong - that it wasn't even nice looking. It looked bad on you - which is what I was saying.

Anyhow - whatever - if you feel you can't just talk to me - that''s cool. I understand.

These last couple of days has made me wonder why this forum has been so silent lately....

It used to be a really great place to learn to form friendships, share opinions, learn other people's opinions - to have debates and discussions without fundamentally everyone blowing a gasket.

Dunno...

It's Easter - maybe there is something in the air...


AND CAN YOU REALLY PUT ME ---- ME ----- on the same page as GAMTRAK?

Wow... You did not just do that... right?

Ok - so you treated her like crap too? And now me?

WOW... You didn't...

Well - I guess you did - its there for all to see.
 
Why do I sense another potentially useful debate heading for meltdown country and premature closure?

Please cool down, folks and try to behave in a reasonable manner in getting your points across, for I fear that they may get lost in the increasingly personal exchanges and accusations I'm seeing here.
 
Why do I sense another potentially useful debate heading for meltdown country and premature closure?

Please cool down, folks and try to behave in a reasonable manner in getting your points across, for I fear that they may get lost in the increasingly personal exchanges and accusations I'm seeing here.


Jetset - I personally believe this USEFUL debate was derailed by someone who is on a crusade and doesn't care who she hurts to get the reaction she wants, regardless of the right or wrong of the matter.

It was derailed DELIBERATELY - and specifically after the Wannabet post and the 3dice post... and brought to forefront during the Affiliate post...

I'm sorry - if people do NOT like the facts, then I don't know what to say.

I AM AN AFFILIATE.

And I'd like to think I am an HONORABLE one - AND - a semi decent one.

I'd like to think that I am doing the RIGHT things for both the players and the casinos.

I'd like to think that those that I promote are decent - cause you all damn well know I'm not making very much money from FREEBIES.

So - just because one person jumps on a crusade - the ENTIRE forum stood at a standstill and WATCHED it happen - with NO ONE - not one person saying anything - unless they were prompted from someone else.

Unfortunately - other forums - and other places - and chats can be found - overheard and seen. We won't EVEN go there right now...

But lets just say - I watched a VERY organized - VERY blatant attack... and no one stood up for me.

The one person who even spoke out of line to Pina got "screamed" at like a harridan.

Sorry - folks - that's kinda pitiful.

It's NOT ok to run people off - at least I don't think...

I don't think for a moment Pina EVER considered just talking to someone politely - instead she started a SMEAR campaign with lackeys all in a row.

YOU DON'T LIKE HEARING THAT?

Well read it all...

Its there in black and white...

Not one of you stood up for me either. To which - I am certainly amazed, astounded and kinda sad about.

So - I guess it's safe to say that everyone here feels it is ok to browbeat - bully - scream and yell - create a fracas - treat other forum members like crap - because of WHAT REASON?

Oh - I forgot - because of casino affiliates...

Or opinions...

Personal attacks from opinions... Wow.

Hmmmmm...

Personally - MY FEELINGS ARE HURT.

I thought Pina knew me well enough to just talk to me - help me out if she thought I was doing something wrong...

Instead NO... It was snare - trap - threaten - be nasty and vicious....

Oh - but wait - please allow us to do it within the confines of MAKING OURSELVES LOOK RIGHTEOUS and PIOUS.

Look - I've had days when I've not been nice - or not seemed nice - but overall - I'm a REALLY NICE person. Sometimes too nice. But WHEN I am wrong - I don't come back screaming - I make my apologies for being human... And move on.

I also accept apologies.

But I've been doing a little research since this started - and I think you guys ought to look into motivation behind this little debacle... Look deep within yourself to see if the actions were right or wrong...

All in the name of AFFILIATES - and the FORUM Rule 4.4

Sometimes the biggest wars have been fought in the name of Religion...

I'm sorry to those who cannot stand to read my long winded posts - and for anyone I've offended...

But really - go do your own research.

You don't NEED me to tell YOU - that I'm NOT the first person that this has happened to.

But - for all of you that I've KNOWN for years and years and years - some as long as a decade...

I'm surprised at your lack of support.

I'm surprised that this was allowed to go on...

I'm surprised that this is what is allowed to happen in a society forum - where we have all been.

I'm surprised NO ONE - not ONE of you stepped in to say - Guys - this is enough.

Instead - you allowed it to play on - some egging it on - on purpose.

I'm surprised.
 
You don't NEED me to tell YOU - that I'm NOT the first person that this has happened to.

But - for all of you that I've KNOWN for years and years and years - some as long as a decade...

I'm surprised at your lack of support.

I'm surprised that this was allowed to go on...

I'm surprised that this is what is allowed to happen in a society forum - where we have all been.

I'm surprised NO ONE - not ONE of you stepped in to say - Guys - this is enough.

Instead - you allowed it to play on - some egging it on - on purpose.

I'm surprised.

I am also surprised at this. I'm thinking it's early morning where I am, and maybe there is not so many members on yet?

I would of course have stepped in, I hate when people gang up on other people, but no one would have listened to me.

Maybe there are reasons no one wants to get involved? I don't know. Again, I am thinking the time and the day may be the reason for lack of posts.

You seem to hold your own pretty good WagerWitch, but I totally agree about the lack of support towards you.
 
I am also surprised at this. I'm thinking it's early morning where I am, and maybe there is not so many members on yet?

I would of course have stepped in, I hate when people gang up on other people, but no one would have listened to me.

Maybe there are reasons no one wants to get involved? I don't know. Again, I am thinking the time and the day may be the reason for lack of posts.

You seem to hold your own pretty good WagerWitch, but I totally agree about the lack of support towards you.

I thank you tremendously - you don't know HOW tremendously - for saying that.

I think most wanted to see how it played out.

But we're not in highschool. And this isn't the schoolyard bully game.

I really really really appreciate you saying this.
 
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