Forum ass-clowns and the definition of fraud

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1. try being here a bit longer and see how often you'd like to explain*, in length and in detail, the same thing over and over and over.......and over and keep a smile on your face. Half the questions and concerns could be found by a simple search using the handy dandy search bar up top, yet people ask the same things time and time again, and well...it's exhausting, and really, a short curt answer gets it done, and a lengthy drawn out (redundant) answer can't always be given. And frankly, if you don't like the way mods and members do things, start up your forum by all means and do it your way.
2. CM helps members help themselves, they aren't a policing site - you want respect, you have to give it

* yes, youve been here since 2006..but at 50 posts, it isnt you answering all these questions

I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.
 
I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.

Noone said the casino was right - just that the player was a dick. Max and Bryan have bent over backwards helping players - look at the resolved PABs. They're helpful guys...but they aren't doormats. If some guy robbed me on the street then the following week I saw him, and he said, hey, buddy, I just got robbed, lend me a quarter, I'd tell him to stuff it.
As for rude members? Hey we're fallible - we don't poo sunshine. I have awful, exhausting days. But I'd think, it's fair to say, I help more players than go at them. I'm not a robot, nor max, nor Nifty, and I don't have a happy-switch. And yes, frankly, I DO believe a short direct answer is fine. I'm not obligated to be nice - just to follow the rules. If someone doesn't like my cents, they're welcome to skip past it.
 
I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.


This is another way I look at it , just like when someone steals from a store , shoplifting for example , we all end up paying for it in the end , higher prices, less of a product we like and so forth.

It is the same in the casinos eyes , they take huge risks taking deposits , there are chargebacks , players whos only intent is to commit fraud against the casino , then we have those groups of advantage players who study the art of beating the casinos online , just like in the B/M casinos.

When this happens , it costs the online players in alot of ways , less depositing options , less monthly bonuses , less money for alot of things we decent online players love and deserve for being loyal , rule abiding patrons.

No one has been what would be called rude in this thread , just stating some in the face facts that made some not so comfy !! There is no suger coating on CM , thats what F/B and myspace are for:)

Laurie
 
This is another way I look at it , just like when someone steals from a store , shoplifting for example , we all end up paying for it in the end , higher prices, less of a product we like and so forth.

It is the same in the casinos eyes , they take huge risks taking deposits , there are chargebacks , players whos only intent is to commit fraud against the casino , then we have those groups of advantage players who study the art of beating the casinos online , just like in the B/M casinos.

When this happens , it costs the online players in alot of ways , less depositing options , less monthly bonuses , less money for alot of things we decent online players love and deserve for being loyal , rule abiding patrons.

No one has been what would be called rude in this thread , just stating some in the face facts that made some not so comfy !! There is no suger coating on CM , thats what F/B and myspace are for:)

Laurie

Laurie,

Please promise me one thing and I will love you forever "Stop inserting spaces after commas"

This is all I ask :D
 
I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.

It's not simply "opening multiple forum accounts." It's getting banned multiple times, and sneaking back on the site multiple times. How do we trust someone who has that sort of history? That's called being a liar and a cheat. They ban people for a reason, they don't expect those people to then create new forum accounts. If someone lies to you about one thing of importance, why would you then believe them about another?

If you can't state the facts directly as is, then your opinion doesn't matter in this or any other thread....which that would be my opinion. What you see as rudeness I see as blunt and honest. I'll take blunt and honest over fluff any day. Take topoor in this thread for example. All of his statements are wrapped up in what I would consider smoke screens and fluff. Using statements / phrases that tug at the heart strings of humanity to hide the fact that you too (him) have an agenda. Big surprise he too was found to have been banned from here multiple times.

It's simple. He was BANNED from here multiple times. He shouldn't be here. If you want to know if the casino is right or wrong, then start a new thread, play there and test them out, do whatever. But this thread has clearly run it's course, and even if the casino was wrong in this incident, the player still deserves nothing from this site in the way of help as he isn't suppose to be here using the PAB service.
 
No one has been what would be called rude in this thread , just stating some in the face facts that made some not so comfy !! There is no suger coating on CM , thats what F/B and myspace are for:)

Laurie

Beauty of it is.....if you don't want to eat at my house stop coming over for Sunday dinner.


.....Not you though Laurie, extra bedroom waiting :oops:
 
Blimey.

Well it looks like we will have to err on the side of caution and avoid this casino, since the question of whether they robbed the player or not will never be answered.

Shame really :(
 
Laurie,

Please promise me one thing and I will love you forever "Stop inserting spaces after commas"

This is all I ask :D

Off Topic But when you type your supposed to insert one space after a comma, and two spaces after a period. Thanks
 
I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.

I haven't really been following this thread in it's entirety. Mostly skimming it from time to time but there's something people should remember when they're dicking around on this site. Bryan doesn't work for these casinos. Max is not a casino employee. If you have a problem at one of these casinos and you're a member of this forum they'll do you a favour and take a second look. They have a relationship with some of these casinos where by the casino allows them to look at the situation and respects their opinions. But in the end this is still just a favour by a third party with no stake in the outcome what so ever.

Now, if a person is going to troll around the forum with multiple accounts nobody here is obligated to help this person regardless of whether or not the casino is right or wrong. Casinos that withhold or delay payments are not always being dishonest. Sometimes there are issues that need to be addressed and sometimes casinos just drop the ball. If a person wants help from anyone at this forum to sort the problem out they certainly can't expect it if you're spent most of your time here breaking rules and being a pain in the ass.

It doesn't matter if somebody broke rules at a casino or not because nobody here has to help anyone either way. You can't piss people off and then ask for their time and resources for free. Nobody here is entitled to them but if you show some respect they're usually happy to offer.

I don't really know what the whole story is here but apparently a casino didn't pay someone but if their behaviour here cost them any chance at getting some assistance from Bryan or Max, tough. Go join another forum and mind your manners.
 
I haven't really been following this thread in it's entirety. Mostly skimming it from time to time but there's something people should remember when they're dicking around on this site. Bryan doesn't work for these casinos. Max is not a casino employee. If you have a problem at one of these casinos and you're a member of this forum they'll do you a favour and take a second look. They have a relationship with some of these casinos where by the casino allows them to look at the situation and respects their opinions. But in the end this is still just a favour by a third party with no stake in the outcome what so ever.

Now, if a person is going to troll around the forum with multiple accounts nobody here is obligated to help this person regardless of whether or not the casino is right or wrong. Casinos that withhold or delay payments are not always being dishonest. Sometimes there are issues that need to be addressed and sometimes casinos just drop the ball. If a person wants help from anyone at this forum to sort the problem out they certainly can't expect it if you're spent most of your time here breaking rules and being a pain in the ass.

It doesn't matter if somebody broke rules at a casino or not because nobody here has to help anyone either way. You can't piss people off and then ask for their time and resources for free. Nobody here is entitled to them but if you show some respect they're usually happy to offer.

I don't really know what the whole story is here but apparently a casino didn't pay someone but if their behaviour here cost them any chance at getting some assistance from Bryan or Max, tough. Go join another forum and mind your manners.

May I have blueberry muffins with that and a side order of pickles, perhaps an odd combination but apt.
 
... a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but you also need to be familiar with the Posting Rules:
1.9 - Do not register an account fraudulently. Fraudulent accounts are defined as accounts created specifically to flame others (hiding behind a mask of anonymity), or accounts opened primarily to spam the board, act as shills, as trolls, or any other anti-social behavior. Do not register more than one account in the forum. Additional accounts will be deemed as bogus, and you may find yourself out on the sidewalk lying on your back staring at the stars. ...

1.10 - Members who commit player fraud (chargebacks, fake accounts, gnoming, multiple accounts, etc.) will be banned from the forum.

There seems to be the impression that creating multiple accounts and lying about your identity here on the forums is no big deal. This is a mistake, we obviously take it quite seriously. Furthermore, trying to low-ball forum fraud also happens to be very convenient for the casino cheats and fraudsters who are trying to get onto the forums in order to influence their casino issues, usually cheat and fraud related (surprise! surprise!).

The point is that we're talking about people who have abused the privileges the forum offers and were given the boot for very good reasons. That they might later have a moan about a casino is typically not something we could, should or would have any interest in. Sure they might be innocent of the casino's accusations but who gives a damn? They have proven themselves to be liars and fraudsters here, why should be believe that they'd behave any better elsewhere?

If I showed up at your place and abused the shit out of your house and hospitality why should you care if I come around the next day complaining that I have an owie? Generally speaking you'd be unwise if you did because the chances are that I'm just back to dish out more abuse to you and yours, if you let me. Any reasonable person will, at some point, sever the toxic relationship and withdraw from further contact. Same here. The forum fraudsters can take their owies -- real, fake or imagined -- elsewhere.

(sorry, took so bloody long typing that up that others said it sooner and probably better. whatever, not going to delete it now, gorramit!)
 
Laurie,

Please promise me one thing and I will love you forever "Stop inserting spaces after commas"

This is all I ask :D


LMAO !!! I type like you and I are sitting here at my bar and having a conversation !!!

Not a Drama Queen , Just a Comma Queen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LOL
Laurie
 
(sorry, took so bloody long typing that up that others said it sooner and probably better. whatever, not going to delete it now, gorramit!)

The best is when you're midway through typing your response and the phone rings and by the time you're off the phone and post the comment 18 more comments show up in between. Like you've singled out this one random post and nothing after it mattered.
 
The best is when you're midway through typing your response and the phone rings and by the time you're off the phone and post the comment 18 more comments show up in between. Like you've singled out this one random post and nothing after it mattered.

I hate when writing a long, thought-out post, then hitting enter, and the page doesn't load, then going back and it's a blank text box
sigh
 
The best is when you're midway through typing your response and the phone rings and by the time you're off the phone and post the comment 18 more comments show up in between. Like you've singled out this one random post and nothing after it mattered.

Yeah, been there. :rolleyes: And when I'm juggling PABs and forum stuff and so forth I've usually got the attention span of a gnat. I'm just lucky that the bog is at the other end of the apartment or I'd be sitting here doing something really inappropriate for an office chair and trying to find the flush button.

I hate when writing a long, thought-out post, then hitting enter, and the page doesn't load, then going back and it's a blank text box
sigh

Doesn't always do what you want but try the "Recover auto-backup" button at the bottom left of the edit box. Saved my arse more than once.
 
Yeah, been there. :rolleyes: And when I'm juggling PABs and forum stuff and so forth I've usually got the attention span of a gnat. I'm just lucky that the bog is at the other end of the apartment or I'd be sitting here doing something really inappropriate for an office chair and trying to find the flush button.

toilet_desk.jpg
 
:lolup: That's pretty much it!

Also happens to be a good picture of where this thread has gone.
 
Why would someone want multiple accounts on casinomeister?? Sorry new to this and I do not get it.
:confused::confused:

Sometimes it's easier to garner support from yourself than it is from other members. If you can't find someone to agree with you make someone up. You might also have tarnished your own reputation so you want to start over... and tarnish a new one.

Someone asked me at work one day "Do you always talk to yourself?"

I said "Only when I want an intelligent answer."
 
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