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Fortune Lounge Masquerading as own Affiliate for Spamming Purposes?

Discussion in 'Casino Spam Complaints' started by bernynhel, Aug 6, 2008.

    Aug 6, 2008
  1. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Was getting those New Sign Up emails all day long like from every FL Casino in the FL group. Worse even than ROGUE spam, to me, is spam for Sign Up Deals for a group like FL where I've had an account at each of their casinos ever since Bryan was a Junior Moderator at GG and drinking Near Beer! AND this dreck in my MAILmail NOT in my JUNKmail! Think I was mad? The return address said "Donna Summers" but, of course, it wasn't really from her! It was from one of the spammy hell parallel universes. So, I reported every piece to SpamCop.net and also forwarded each one to the FL spam-control/ affiliate sheriff Bryan provided, which is:
    spam@fortuneaffiliates.com​
    There were about 4 or 5 every day for over a week and while I never got any reply the FL spam stopped. For almost a week. Everything was great! Until this arrived in my MAILmail, NOT my JUNKmail:


    Open New Player Account and get $300 Free
    From: Angelina J
    Sent: Tue 8/05/08 5:46 PM
    Reply-to:reply@dicetheroll.com
    To:bernynhel@XXX.com


    OK, hmmm. Just like the other ones weren't really from Donna Summers I'd be willing to make a Gentleman's wager that these (YES there ARE more of them! All from different FL casinos!) aren't REALLY from Angelina J! Ha! While E Coyote....etc!

    The only main difference (besides the celeb names used and the spammy addresses - the Donna Summers ones were from This email is not visible to you.) was that NOW the source view is all DOUBLE SPACED! Great. So, I don't report em to SpamCop yet cuz I foget, if I ever knew, how to covert em (quickly) to single-spaced but I forward em to FL and here's my bright idea in a note I added to the forwarded spam:

    This affiliate is an ASSHOLE! FW: Open New Player Account and get $300 Free
    From: William XXX (bernynhel@XXX.com)
    Sent: Wed 8/06/08 1:10 AM
    To:FortuneLounge Spam report here FL Spam report here (spam@fortuneaffiliates.com)


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    I'm starting a new thread at CasinoMeister.com about this issue of the large volume of sophisticated spam touting FL. Less than a week after "Donna Summers" stopped now THIS SHIT! Huh! Whodda thunk it! Know what I think? I think FL is masquerading as their own affiliates!! Now the fox really IS watching the the henhouse, or, SPAMhouse and after a week or so, we'll just SEE, won't we? After it runs it course! Ha!

    Before it was Donna Summers, now its Angelina J??? This particularly nasty spammer, if not aka Donna Summers, is double-spacing, Donna Summers single spaced. so Spam Cop cannot source them unless I submit it single spaced! Spammers that take extra lengths to defend themselves from me NOW I'm getting from YOU, Fortune Lounge??? So it wasn't bad enough I have to forward this shit to you and report to Spam Cop, now I have to re-format the source view? See! I was only waiting til the WEEKEND to see if the B.S. had stopped and, if so, I was gonna deposit $50-100. NOT another NICKEL deposited in any FL casino until you decide that you will pay more than just lip service with regards to your spam polices and how your affiliates OBVIOUSLY ignore them. Shit rolls downhill. Roll more, faster.

    William J. XXX
    Los Angeles


    OK so why would FL go through all the trouble to pretend to be some lame spammer just so they could get away with spamming their own, known customers, customers with long established, active accounts with New Sign Up promos that couldn't possibly benefit FL in any way, whatsoever, you ask? Well, I haven't quite figured that part out yet. OK!, ok! its probably just some lame, Chinese spammer from Kazakhstan. Or whatever. It still sucks, right?

    And its only 2:38 AM here. Call that late? What time does Mommy put YOU to bed? Milk n Cookies:30 PM?
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2008
  2. Aug 6, 2008
  3. anniemac

    anniemac Ueber Meister MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Texas, USA
    I thought I was the only one getting this crap from "Donna and Angie". Oh and wait there is some guy too. I never open it so I didn't know what it was about. Fortune Lounge is getting as bad as that "other" casino. :D
     
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  4. Aug 7, 2008
  5. chiggerbyte

    chiggerbyte Full Member

    Occupation:
    Retired from a landbased casino
    Location:
    My living room in Oklahoma GreenCountry USA
    me too

    I get the same ones, and I have accounts there also. Oh, don't forget Oprah.(and I thought she had enough money without taking on a second job:p) Today I got a new one for World VIP Fortune Casino. Is that a mouthful? It promised 'enormous money for everyone' Bonus $(euro) 2700. Then another from someone else for same place 'World VIP Games' new bonus 2500 dollars! Then yet another, 'HOT gamblings in World VIP Fortune Casino!' I assume this is spamming?
    Oh, I forgot about the one from Winaday Casino. Supposed to be a new place launched by Slotland. $10 freeplay. A new 3D casino. So I googled winaday, and found a thread on casinoaffiliateprograms.com. This guy wanted to know if Freeslots were doing their own affiliate work. The answer from the company's affiliate rep to him was, "we are acquiring new players from our Freeslot.com database in order to verify functionality & performance of our new software & to get feedback from some real players." Anyone ever heard of this place? And was this spamming, or just a legit way for them to get players? I'm still learning.
     
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  6. Aug 7, 2008
  7. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    FL were in trouble a while back for failing to control their spammy affiliates. There is NO benefit to FL from sending new player offers to existing players, if anything, it does them damage.

    It looks very much as though behind the scenes there was some action taken against "Donna Summers", but all this rogue affiliate did was change domains and set up as "Angelina J" and design the mailers so that spamcop could not deal with them. This shows intent to spam, and is no "misdirected enthusiasm", that can be dealt with by them apologising and promising not to do it again. The affiliate should be identified, and have their account closed, and measures put in place to prevent them from simply opening another. These measures should be possible up to the extent of measures that can be put in place to prevent fraudulent players from opening up multiple accounts & getting paid. Opening multiple accounts as player OR affiliate is easy, but the problem is in reaping the benefits. Given all the ID hoops that PLAYERS go through to receive their withdrawal, it would be the same for affiliates - wouldn't it?
     
  8. Aug 8, 2008
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Someone should TRY to explain that to the Casino Rewards group.
    I've had numerous e-mails & about 5 CD's though the post all encouraging me to take a $500 (new player) bonus with Blackjack Ballroom - all sent to the exact same e-mail & physical address that I already have registered on my account at... Blackjack Ballroom.

    Casino's 'spamming themselves' is all too common - even among the otherwise reputable ones. One of the worst offenders was the Palace Group, though they seem to have dried up now.

    Nothing we can do about it I'm afraid. Just complain to them & hope one day the message sinks in.
     
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  10. Aug 8, 2008
  11. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    I'm the wrong gender for Oprah and all those other fem interests, thank God. You ladys out there must have junkmail such as I would only expect to receive in nightmares or in hell. Thankfully, the other casinos have not noticed me yet or I have never opened their spam as whatever akas they may be using as return addresses and subjects are probably so lame I have yet to be duped into opening one! :lolup:

    Fortune Lounge, by contrast, should know better and is NO FUC(edited HERE for CM forum posting purposes)ING LAUGHING MATTER!!!

    I have long past closed all CR accounts and, I like to think yet I fear I am naive to believe, that the shi(edited HERE for CM forum posting purposes)storm I have rained down on them in the past has been sufficient, to date, to keep even the vilest of CR spammers at bay. I pray every night upon retiring.
     
  12. Aug 10, 2008
  13. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I have, and all they can offer is to unsubscribe from EVERYTHING. It is either receive the crap among the decent promos, or receive nothing. Nothing is a good option if you have uninstalled all the CR casinos - the problem is, they keep buying up more:mad:
     
  14. Aug 11, 2008
  15. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Every day I've forwarded this crap to This email is not visible to you. and it just keeps coming. Now the return address says Samantha Fox. I was nearly fooled into thinking Samantha fox was really promoting FL. :rolleyes:

    Hey! What if we made up an email list of all these casinos the dickhead spammers are promoting and every CM member sent one email a day to all on the list. We could attach pics of our asses made from scanners. Don't put your entire weight on your all-in-one or flat bed scanner though! And definitely do not turn your backside towards your copier or scanner then attempt to "hop up" backwards onto your desk or copy cart (mines on a glass top desk! OUCH!) intending to have your butt land on the copy/scan surface!!!!Better to set it on the floor and then gently squat until your ass meets the glass! Believe me - best learn from MY mistakes on this one!
     
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  16. Aug 11, 2008
  17. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    For what it's worth I've contacted the FL rep re: this spamming and ... like VWM says, not much happening.

    To be fair they know that it's not their people sending the spammy stuff out but I think we all guessed that it wouldn't be that simple. What we really want is for them to hunt down the crappy affiliates + friends ... but that seems to be somewhere down on their priority list, somewhere after "Learn Portuguese" one suspects.
     
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  18. Aug 14, 2008
  19. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    BOYCOT FORTUNE LOUNGE UNTIL THEY REIN IN THEIR SPAMMY AFFILIATES!!!!

    I'm still receiving THE SAME SPAM - promotional emails with sign up offers for new customers. I have had accounts at every FL casino for nearly 5 years!. Today I forwarded another piece of this crap, again, from my regular mail inbox, after editing the double spaced header to single spaced and reporting to SpamCop.net, to This email is not visible to you. as I have, with ZERO, response for the past three weeks! I should think they could easily track these yay-hoos down, if they don't already know who they are, which I seriously doubt, as all the addresses, whether from Donna Sommers, Angelina J., Samantha Fox, Tiffany Towers, et al, are gameanalyze.com and similar nonsense.

    I say:

    BOYCOT FORTUNE LOUNGE UNTIL THEY START ENFORCING THEIR OWN ANTI-SPAM POLICIES!!!

    They haven't made one dime from me since they ignored my first spam report!! I urge all so nclined to do the same. After all, there are DOZENS of GOOD MG operators out there whom I NEVER have received spam from and, I'd say, out of all the MG operators, none comes to mind quicker, spamwise, than FL!
     
  20. Aug 15, 2008
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    What about complaining to the CELEBRITIES whose names are being misused, this should get results as it is VERY bad for their image to be seen "in bed" with ANY online gambling brand given that the USA is the home of Hollywood, and ANY connection, whether real or not, can do damage to a reputation.
    They will have the legal firepower to chase down these casino groups and REQUIRE that their names are not used in this manner, as it would be a breach of copyright, and some of you know how strongly the RIAA feel about this;)

    Many celebrities have fan sites, and it may be possible to use feedback to express displeasure. It is unlikely that anyone can contact them personally, but their agents may be accessible.
     
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  22. Aug 15, 2008
  23. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    12th man
    Location:
    Australia
    Your Borg arent you VWM, you are just one big collective.
     
  24. Aug 15, 2008
  25. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Resistance is futile:D
     
  26. Aug 19, 2008
  27. fortunelounge

    fortunelounge Accredited Casino Representative

    Occupation:
    Operations Manager
    Location:
    South Africa
    From the outset I wish to reiterate that we take SPAM very seriously and we have an open door policy for any affiliate who has an issue with any Fortune Lounge casino and SPAM. These complaints are investigated rigorously and dealt with decisively.

    We have contacted this particular Affiliate and he has assured us of the following: "We are not sending any unsolicted mails. In all of our newsletters we have 2 unsubscribe options, either clicking on the unsubscribe link or replying to the sender email address. Both will get you off the list.

    We are, however, monitoring the situation closely and will take action if the situation requires it.

    Wim
    VP Operations
    Fortune Lounge
     
  28. Aug 19, 2008
  29. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    No offense Wim but that's a bit of a dodge don't you think?

    We all know that clicking on the "unsubscribe" is generally a pretty unwise thing to do since that's a great way to simply confirm your address for the spammers. So most people don't do it.

    Anyway, that's beside the point. Most of the folks who've complained about this specifically have not solicited it, so the "We are not sending any unsolicted mails" argument is obviously highly suspect too.

    I think the bottom line is that your affiliate needs a slap-down in order to get the message across. Judging from their lame excuses so far it's a sure bet they are just taking the "bullshit is defense" position so far. You need to let them know that that's not going to be satisfactory.
     
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  30. Aug 23, 2008
  31. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    First of all, Wim, no ones clicking any unsubscribe button or any other button of any kind in any mail that is this much of a nuisance. So forget about it!

    Secondly, I've had FL accounts at all the sites for years. These incessant emails, without exception, are all sign up offers.

    Furthermore, in addition to reporting them to SpamCop.net, I forwarded every piece to: This email is not visible to you. for weeks and, after receiving zero response, have been additionally forwarding them to every FL email address I can find!

    Your post is the first and only response to the dozens of emails I have sent to every conceivable department at FL over a period of several weeks, with the offending spam attached, first requesting, then demanding and finally, threatening FL to get this slimy, (in addition to adding thousands of lines of random, arbitrary characters to the body of the email, they have now begun double-spacing all the headers so they have to be "handled" for SpamCop.net, etc.) spammy, affiliate, in check!

    The open door policy to your affiliates with any FL issues doesn't do me any good and I think that, in regards to my problem, nothing has been said to the spammer and dick is being investigated by FL, vigorously or otherwise. My inbox is still fulla this crap every day so I'm

    STILL BOYCOTTING FORTUNE LOUNGE AND INVITE EVERYONE TO JOIN!!!
     
  32. Sep 3, 2008
  33. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    Eh, what's that? I think you need to make that text a little bigger there Bern, I can't quite see what it is you're trying to say. :D
     
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  34. Sep 3, 2008
  35. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    This spamming crisis has haunted Fortune Lounge for years, probably more so than any other major online casino group I can recall.

    It seems to flare up with monotonous regularity, requiring a blizzard of player complaints before it is damped down by FL....only to rise again repeatedly.

    Perhaps Fortune Affiliates needs to apply its collective mind to a lasting solution with a balance of affiliate education and draconian action against offenders.
     
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  36. Sep 3, 2008
  37. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    Splendid idea, but I don't think I'll be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. :rolleyes:
     
  38. Sep 3, 2008
  39. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
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    Bierland
    On a positive note, as of this week Fortune Affiliates is now under eCOGRA's scrutiny. In the past, eCOGRA could not get involved in affiliate issues due to their terms of handing player issues only. This expands the playing field and ensures that the aff program will have ample safeguards to prevent spamming affiliates from abusing players' in-boxes.
     
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